Booing Gally

[Dairy]

Reminds me of the great fable about the Shepherd that had one sheep that he struggled to herd with the others. One day he lost his temper and began to shout and abuse the sheep because it couldn't be 'good' like the other sheep. The following day, he could not herd any of his sheep.

[anotherharboroughfox]

Hate to open this can of worms, but how many people on here who didn't boo Gallagher, booed Ricardo? Or chanted Weale while Ricardo was on the pitch?

Because they were very loud. But everyone hated him so I guess that was more widely accepted.

I'll back any player who pulls on a shirt even if he's too shit for the team, Pearson put him on, Gally was doing his job as was Ricardo under Sven.

[Johnny Cash]

Like it or not most footballers take their job seriously. And you seem to take football seriously if you actually make the effort to 'vocally disapprove' of something.

I wouldn't say I feel sorry for the guy because he earns plenty of money doing something he loves. But I'm sure he also wanted to be a sucess here, wants respect. You show him a lack of respect for no good reason when you boo him. That kind of person I have absolutely no respect for, I don't give a shit how much he earns. You should be ashamed if that's your attitude, and if he walked up to you and knocked you out I don't think you could complain. Maybe you let everyone who's work your not impressed with know about it in such a way, see if they all just get on with it and ignore you.

But more importantly I'm fed up of us looking a bunch of cvnts. I don't give a toss whether he laughs it off, or doesn't care, or whatever. I feel embarrassed. Because you are an embarrassment. Any real fan would know we ar letting ourselves down with all of this bullshit.

So before anyone calls me an arse licker or some bellend who's trying to look like a moral crusader or the greatest fan in the universe who thinks he deserves a medal, they can stick it up their arse. When I go to the football I like to enjoy it, and as long as the players aren't taking the piss by showing no effort or disrespecting the fans they don't deserve my 'vocal disapporval'. But no, people like you have to ruin it by trying to put a downer on everything. It's no wonder I cant stand going anymore. Silence, more silence, boo boo boo, silence. Yeh, thats great fun. That's the passionate unity and excitement we all fell in love with the game because of.

The club should be a team, that's what you don't seem to realise. The players play for the club, we support the club. It's not a selection process where if fans don't like players they can attempt to hound them out by booing them onto the field.

At the end of the day, like a lot of our fans you're clueless about what football, and being a football supporter is about.

I think I have been misunderstood, I only boo on Fifa13, when I make the subs, not in real life... that would make me a cvnt!

Ooops!

Hate to open this can of worms, but how many people on here who didn't boo Gallagher, booed Ricardo? Or chanted Weale while Ricardo was on the pitch?

Because they were very loud. But everyone hated him so I guess that was more widely accepted.

I'll back any player who pulls on a shirt even if he's too shit for the team, Pearson put him on, Gally was doing his job as was Ricardo under Sven.

I actually liked Ricardo! haha

God I am a ****!

[Bugg]

The "WE-ULL WE-ULL WE-ULL" chants were embarrassing, especially after the fans managed to get Ricardo out Weale repaid them by being incredibly shit.

[5waller5]

Hate to open this can of worms, but how many people on here who didn't boo Gallagher, booed Ricardo? Or chanted Weale while Ricardo was on the pitch?

Because they were very loud. But everyone hated him so I guess that was more widely accepted.

I'll back any player who pulls on a shirt even if he's too shit for the team, Pearson put him on, Gally was doing his job as was Ricardo under Sven.

That;s a great can of worms!!!!! I didn't boo him and have never booed one of our own players .... And i actually thought Ricardo would come good, and didn't think Weale ever would!!!

The majority of our fans seemed to chant for Weale though and this was probably worse than booing - to chant the name of a rubbish alternative in a position where it's so obvious he can't be accomodated anywhere else on the pitch.

[TrentFox]

Jonny Cash must be on a wind up. He has a reasonable grasp for the English language and structuring his posts. On that basis I conclude he cannot be as stupid as the content of his posts are indicating.

Spot on, I suspect. It might even be Gally trying to work out what the hell kind of club he belongs to ! Welcome, by the way !

[TrentFox]

This thread has to be a WU ??? JC, just in case you are real, (thanks for arguing your case and keeping us all entertained on a slow day, btw), just ask yourself one question. If ever you're thinking of booing a player or a waitress or a teacher or anybody else you might take exception to ...... do you HONESTLY think that, apart from making you feel momentarily better, it will improve their performance ?? Or is it more likely to make them even more nervous / apprehensive, lacking in confidence, under pressure, resentful ??

[Johnny Cash]

This thread has to be a WU ??? JC, just in case you are real, (thanks for arguing your case and keeping us all entertained on a slow day, btw), just ask yourself one question. If ever you're thinking of booing a player or a waitress or a teacher or anybody else you might take exception to ...... do you HONESTLY think that, apart from making you feel momentarily better, it will improve their performance ?? Or is it more likely to make them even more nervous / apprehensive, lacking in confidence, under pressure, resentful ??

Thank you for the greeting, felt a little out in the cold for a brief spell there but glad to know the Foxes faithful wouldn't leave a man behind for too long.

First day back at work, something needed to happen!

Teachers, waiters etc, no. Footballers and other sportsman so to speak, I believe are there to be ridiculed as much as they are to be praised and paraded around town like heroes.

I don't actually want Gallagher to succeed at Leicester, but I want Leicester to succeed. So when we're 5-1 up or whatever it was, it didn't matter if it had an adverse effect on the player/team as we were in no danger of losing.

Should he go on to net the winner versus Bristol in our next game, I will cheer and applaud, but still think he is useless, just like people did/would if Ricardo saved a penalty (he probably went the wrong way).

Would I become nervous/downhearted etc if someone booed me? Yes, but then again, they had payed to watch me be shite and will be here long after I have moved on.

[TrentFox]

I don't actually want Gallagher to succeed at Leicester, but I want Leicester to succeed.

Would I become nervous/downhearted etc if someone booed me? Yes.

Well, you've kind of answered my question. I think you know your behaviour doesn't stack up. And everyone else has provided you with plenty of reasons why, too. It's just a case of whether you 'love your club' enough to put it before your own feelings about one individual. Cheering Gally or anyone is more likely to make him / them want to put their body on the line or go the extra mile. You seem like an intelligent chap ... do the maths on this and rise above what the morons do.

[The People's Hero]

I don't think Gallagher should be booed, but anyone who really thinks he would be upset by it is not living in the real world.

He is a professional footballer, paid a phenomenal amount of money to play football. I'm sure he realises its all part and parcel of the job.

I'm sure he also realises its not a popularity contest and that the only opinion that matters is that of the man picking the team - NP.

I am also a professional albeit it in another industry and make decisions on a routine basis that will often upset people. I am not one of the most popular people in the industry and often customers are left disappointed with my decisions. I come here to work though and I get my salary for doing so (far far less than Mr Gallagher's).

I deal with it and I'm 100% certain he does too.

[Storming]

Were the Boo's actuly for Gally or for taking Knockaert off ???? Either way its wrong to Boo your own team imo

[UpTheLeagueFox]

I wouldn't have Gallagher near the first team but I wouldn't boo him if he plays.

[inckley fox]

While I can't see the benefit of booing a player as he comes on, I can say one thing in defence of the boo-boys. Indeed, it's probably the best response to my earlier argument that, as a set of fans, we're too quiet when we should make some noise and too impatient when we should be quiet (and that this tendency has held the club back in the past):

When Mark McGhee came to the club in late 94 he complained that there wasn't enough of an atmosphere at Filbert Street. He told fans that, even if they were booing or slating the team, that some noise was better than silence. He added that there were plenty of boos ringing around the biggest grounds in the country if players weren't performing.

Okay, so he's not the best of sources, but I feel there's a point in there. Do the same fans who boo tend to make the most noise? Is our tendency to shame these fans into silence part of the reason for the dead atmosphere?

No, I didn't boo Gally, or O'Neill in March 96, or Little in early 94, or Oldfield or Sticks or Kisnorbo; I didn't want Kermorgant out of the club, didn't call for Levein's head but... I have booed (or, rather, harangued) before: At a decision, or at a player who doesn't pull his weight in my opinion. In many ways, I guess, Gallagher has been fair game in that respect.

As far as the argument regarding teachers, policemen etc. I think that's flawed too. I am a teacher and we get our share of abuse, some of which is and some of which isn't entirely unjustified. The same goes for the police whom, on the few rallies I've attended, have deserved a little vocal barracking. We don't do it for ten grand a week and, if we don't do our jobs properly or if we get into scuffle out on the town or speak out of place on Twitter or cheat, then we are fired, not fined a quarter of our monthly wage or sold to another school, police station, factory, council or mine for a handsome sign-on fee. But, at times, one of the best things that can happen to, say, a teacher is that when he isn't very good he's told that he isn't very good.

My problem, again, is the timing of it. And the fact that some of those guys who found it within them to moan at Gallagher's entrance couldn't bring themselves to cheer other players while they were on the pitch and doing a good job (albeit, I concede, for a wage the rest of us can only dream of) or, maybe, delay their discontent until he actually screws something up.

[1994fox]

Thank you for the greeting, felt a little out in the cold for a brief spell there but glad to know the Foxes faithful wouldn't leave a man behind for too long.

First day back at work, something needed to happen!

Teachers, waiters etc, no. Footballers and other sportsman so to speak, I believe are there to be ridiculed as much as they are to be praised and paraded around town like heroes.

I don't actually want Gallagher to succeed at Leicester, but I want Leicester to succeed. So when we're 5-1 up or whatever it was, it didn't matter if it had an adverse effect on the player/team as we were in no danger of losing.

Should he go on to net the winner versus Bristol in our next game, I will cheer and applaud, but still think he is useless, just like people did/would if Ricardo saved a penalty (he probably went the wrong way).

Would I become nervous/downhearted etc if someone booed me? Yes, but then again, they had payed to watch me be shite and will be here long after I have moved on.

So your saying that because you think a player is "shit" you should boo him. What is this going to achieve?

If in ten years Leicester were down in league 2 struggling for survival I know where I would be. Down the kp SUPPORTING our team of shit players. There is absolutely no reason to boo Gallagher. Go let off your own pent up frustration elsewhere.

[Guest Bilo]

Thank you for the greeting, felt a little out in the cold for a brief spell there but glad to know the Foxes faithful wouldn't leave a man behind for too long.

First day back at work, something needed to happen!

Teachers, waiters etc, no. Footballers and other sportsman so to speak, I believe are there to be ridiculed as much as they are to be praised and paraded around town like heroes.

I don't actually want Gallagher to succeed at Leicester, but I want Leicester to succeed. So when we're 5-1 up or whatever it was, it didn't matter if it had an adverse effect on the player/team as we were in no danger of losing.

Should he go on to net the winner versus Bristol in our next game, I will cheer and applaud, but still think he is useless, just like people did/would if Ricardo saved a penalty (he probably went the wrong way).

Would I become nervous/downhearted etc if someone booed me? Yes, but then again, they had payed to watch me be shite and will be here long after I have moved on.

So if we won a 93rd minute penalty at Forest on the last day on which promotion hinged and Gallagher stepped up to take it, would you be willing him to miss because 'you don't want Gallagher to succeed' or will him to score because you want Leicester to succeed?

Can you now see how that is a ridiculous statement for an intelligent person to make?

[foxaholic]

I'm coming up to my 56th anniversary as a City supporter - first match, against Grimsby Town, 26 January 1957 - so over the years I have seen some good City sides, and a lot of not-very-good ones.

In the 1960s, I watched the teams that Matt Gillies built, with players like Banks, Shilton, Dougan and McClintock, in the 1970s I watched Jimmy Bloomfield create sides with artists like Weller and Worthington, and in the 1990s I saw Martin O'Neill put together teams that actually won stuff (how good was that?) On the other hand, even these good City sides had weak spots that opposing sides could - and often did - expose with ease.

I live in France now, so I only get over to see a few matches each season, and I've only seen this current side on television. But it seems to me that we have an almost perfect mix of players - something that Gillies, Bloomfield and O'Neill never really had. With the addition of Wood, we have a fantastic strike force, to match a sublime midfield and a massively solid defence. Am I being overly optimistic, or is this potentially the best City side ever?

Just backs up how shit and embarrassing our 'fans' were, for a 6-1 we were an absolute joke, no ground in England would be that quiet at that scoreline, the fans were the one downer on the day.

Thoroughly embarrassed yet again.

Quite agree my daughter upgraded my seat with a dinner and I couldnt believe the people near me you would have thought they were at a funeral most missed the 3rd goal as they were queuing for their free coffee. I only heard one person speak and he made a sarcastic comment re Pearson. I am a pensioner and it used to be quiet in the Carling but nothing like I experienced I thought I was in Church

[TrentFox]

While I can't see the benefit of booing a player as he comes on, I can say one thing in defence of the boo-boys. Indeed, it's probably the best response to my earlier argument that, as a set of fans, we're too quiet when we should make some noise and too impatient when we should be quiet (and that this tendency has held the club back in the past):

When Mark McGhee came to the club in late 94 he complained that there wasn't enough of an atmosphere at Filbert Street. He told fans that, even if they were booing or slating the team, that some noise was better than silence. He added that there were plenty of boos ringing around the biggest grounds in the country if players weren't performing.

Okay, so he's not the best of sources, but I feel there's a point in there. Do the same fans who boo tend to make the most noise? Is our tendency to shame these fans into silence part of the reason for the dead atmosphere?

No, I didn't boo Gally, or O'Neill in March 96, or Little in early 94, or Oldfield or Sticks or Kisnorbo; I didn't want Kermorgant out of the club, didn't call for Levein's head but... I have booed (or, rather, harangued) before: At a decision, or at a player who doesn't pull his weight in my opinion. In many ways, I guess, Gallagher has been fair game in that respect.

As far as the argument regarding teachers, policemen etc. I think that's flawed too. I am a teacher and we get our share of abuse, some of which is and some of which isn't entirely unjustified. The same goes for the police whom, on the few rallies I've attended, have deserved a little vocal barracking. We don't do it for ten grand a week and, if we don't do our jobs properly or if we get into scuffle out on the town or speak out of place on Twitter or cheat, then we are fired, not fined a quarter of our monthly wage or sold to another school, police station, factory, council or mine for a handsome sign-on fee. But, at times, one of the best things that can happen to, say, a teacher is that when he isn't very good he's told that he isn't very good.

My problem, again, is the timing of it. And the fact that some of those guys who found it within them to moan at Gallagher's entrance couldn't bring themselves to cheer other players while they were on the pitch and doing a good job (albeit, I concede, for a wage the rest of us can only dream of) or, maybe, delay their discontent until he actually screws something up.

For a teacher, that's a surprising comment. Especially on a day when one of the largest teaching unions is reporting that morlae amongst teachers has never been lower.

[harpendenfox]

I'm waiting for Cashy to post again so I can boo him. He's overrated and shouldn't be allowed near this forum

[TrentFox]

I'm waiting for Cashy to post again so I can boo him. He's overrated and shouldn't be allowed near this forum

I think you're onto something ! On the back of this thread I'm going to start criticising everyone in my world, telling them where they've screwed up, naming and shaming, publicly drawing attention to all their errors until they suddenly change into the wonderful people I would like them to be. That should work a treat.

[inckley fox]

For a teacher, that's a surprising comment. Especially on a day when one of the largest teaching unions is reporting that morlae amongst teachers has never been lower.

To varying degrees. Morale among teachers in, say, Huddersfield is probably dreadful. Right here, right now life has never been better.

And some people are never happy, are they? What more could you want than a land where students have responsibility for their actions, teachers the right to hold them accountable, and the government is comprised of grounded, attentive individuals with a firm grasp of the perils of a comprehensive school education?

But the argument about whether an individual doing his job deserves abuse from those meant to be backing him isn't specific to education any more than it is to football.

I've always hated people equating football management with, for instance, factory management. "They should come and work with me blah blah blah." My point was that a happy teacher is one who accepts that kids don't rise the second you walk in or drop apples on your desk, and tries not to worry too much about how much he or she is paid. That much - and no more - is equatable with most jobs on the planet. A happy footballer, then, should be able to cope with a bit of a tongue lashing from the fans, all things considered.

Only not when he's just about to set foot on the field.

[jimmer]

I think you're onto something ! On the back of this thread I'm going to start criticising everyone in my world, telling them where they've screwed up, naming and shaming, publicly drawing attention to all their errors until they suddenly change into the wonderful people I would like them to be. That should work a treat.

[Guest bss9401]

I can't boo won't boo. Gally may be past his best but he has done a good and honest overall job for us. I believe that he has a place at the club, albeit in a lesser role. I see no reason to insult him and fans who respect him by booing.

[TrentFox]

To varying degrees. Morale among teachers in, say, Huddersfield is probably dreadful. Right here, right now life has never been better.

And some people are never happy, are they? What more could you want than a land where students have responsibility for their actions, teachers the right to hold them accountable, and the government is comprised of grounded, attentive individuals with a firm grasp of the perils of a comprehensive school education?

But the argument about whether an individual doing his job deserves abuse from those meant to be backing him isn't specific to education any more than it is to football.

I've always hated people equating football management with, for instance, factory management. "They should come and work with me blah blah blah." My point was that a happy teacher is one who accepts that kids don't rise the second you walk in or drop apples on your desk, and tries not to worry too much about how much he or she is paid. That much - and no more - is equatable with most jobs on the planet. A happy footballer, then, should be able to cope with a bit of a tongue lashing from the fans, all things considered.

Only not when he's just about to set foot on the field.

Wouldn't disagree with you on that. I'm not advocating some sort of hippy 'love-in'. But the telling comment in your original comment was "But, at times, one of the best things that can happen to, say, a teacher is that when he isn't very good he's told that he isn't very good." That says, to me, an awful lot about the pausity of high quality leadership demonstrated in countless sectors. Nobody gets better by being told what they are doing wrong. I'm prepared to bet that you don't mark your students work with X's and a comment like "you're rubbish - pull your socks up or you'll fail that exam" ? I am prepared to bet that you DO highlight areas for growth and point out the positive change that you'd like them to make ... "next time, do x, y and z". There's a simple resson greta leaders / teachers / bosses / managers do that ... because people move towards the image their leaders create for them. Yes to accountability. But strong schools set their stalls out and tell students, employers, staff and parents what the expectation is and hold them accountable to that level of excellence. By encouraging them and coaching and cajoling and weedling ! That's true of footy teams, businsesses, communities etc etc. Great leaders light fires inside people ... not underneath them ! It's why I get so 'preachy' about booing. It's outdated and backward. Nobody coaches like that at elite levels any more. It's counter-productive. All it does is remind players of previously poor performances, (as perceived by us). But you're right - everyone needs feedback. it just needs to be feedback about how to get to the next level. You primary or secondary or FE / HE ??

[TrentFox]

I can't boo won't boo. Gally may be past his best but he has done a good and honest overall job for us. I believe that he has a place at the club, albeit in a lesser role. I see no reason to insult him and fans who respect him by booing.

If I hadn't used up all my rep points today, (soooo hard to do any real work today, so played on here) I'd find you a point for hitting a nail squarely on the head, sir !

[Captain...]

I don't think Gallagher should be booed, but anyone who really thinks he would be upset by it is not living in the real world.

He is a professional footballer, paid a phenomenal amount of money to play football. I'm sure he realises its all part and parcel of the job.

I'm sure he also realises its not a popularity contest and that the only opinion that matters is that of the man picking the team - NP.

I am also a professional albeit it in another industry and make decisions on a routine basis that will often upset people. I am not one of the most popular people in the industry and often customers are left disappointed with my decisions. I come here to work though and I get my salary for doing so (far far less than Mr Gallagher's).

I deal with it and I'm 100% certain he does too.

I think his reaction when he scored last season shows he has noticed the fans attitude to him and it does affect him.

A player loved by the fans will try harder, it may be counter productive at times in terms of putting pressure on a player, but in general it can only help.

The Ricardo debate is an interesting one I would never have booed Ricardo, but I would have joined in the chants for Weale to show him that we still want him at the club, the way Sven treated him was disgraceful, and I don't see any problem with chanting the name of a player on the bench while he is warming up, and letting the manager know that the fans disagree with his decision...

...but chanting in constantly and throughout the game is wrong.