Barclay Out

[BoneDog]

I said that when I saw your profile pic

The first words that came into my head when I saw it were :

Just started rapping that line there and then

[BoneDog]

C man says move to sk2 but its alright saying it. We need people who will move and stand and sing in this section. Its always empty aswell. If theres only 10 of you. Stewards can chuck you out easier but if we had a few hundred they couldn't anything. The kop is a joke now. Wierd because people in there of no intenion of standing or singing. Old people, families, Middle aged women. What happened to us ?

Agree about the Kop nowadays. It's depressing how bad it's got. If the football isn't very entertaining then it can be a really dull day out at a home match.

Luckily the football quality has picked up lately but something needs doing about home atmosphere. Fair play to everyone who's still trying.

[Dan LCFC]

IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT WAS THROWN. Why can't people see that? You are not allowed to thrown things at random inside the stadium just like you wouldn't be anywhere else. Paper, coins, lighters it makes no difference. If your stupid and you break the rules you should pay the consequences. If you don't like the consequences, DON'T DO IT !!!

If I picked my nose and flicked a bogey, would that be throwing a missile?

People buy into rules far too much. I'm thoroughly stunned at some of the fvcking idiocy in some of the ground regulations.

[Dan LCFC]

I cannot be bothered at this time of night to read through twelve pages about the biggest twat that has ever worked at our beloved football club.

I can however give those who don't know him a little idea how this guy works.

Two seasons ago my son and i were given three match bans for persistant standing,which was the biggest load of boll**ks that i have ever heard in all my life.

We had stood for no longer than two minutes halfway through the first half to sing,no more no less. I went to empty my bladder which was very full on my 40th birthday and was promptly ejected when i got down the stairs.

My son who was thirteen at the time was then ejected and assaulted by the response team that does the ejecting.

The following week i tried many times to speak to Kevin Barcley but was told that he was not available so i went to Lee Hoos who sent me a very sarcastic letter explaining why i had been ejected. when i chellenged the club about there version of events and asked to see the cctv footage of the incident it turned out that the footage had been lost.

As for my sons assault, the footage of that was also lost and even though there were many witnesses and a lot did come forward there was no case to answer because of the lack of evidence.

The only stewards to get into trouble were the ones who witnessed what happened to my son and myself and they were sacked because they backed up our version of events.

When i collected our season tickets from the club a few weeks later i was given mine by Kevin Barcley in the main reception and he told me that if i did not like the way i was treated then i should f**k off and not come back. He said that he could not give a toss about our fans and he would always win because as he put it he was untouchable. I then had the pleasure of telling him what i thought of him but he just laughed in my face and told me to f**k off and never come back.

The bloke is a nasty piece of work and will do anything to get his way and to cover his tracks.

If this demo is the start of a sustained campaign against this man then i am in but it will be a long battle because he will dig his heels in and do anything to get rid of the real football fans that are the back bone of our club.

Have you exaggerated that or did he genuinely come out with some of that?

If he'd said it to me I'd have smashed the cvnt in the face. Not even joking.

[BoneDog]

100 rolled up sandwhich bags - allowed my house mate to throw the full monty at my face from 6 feet away, the outcome being that whether i was 1 or 100, fully abled or disabled, male or female or suffering from any life threatening the illness the sandwhich bag missile could have caused no physical or mental damage. although i must stress i am not a qualified doctor. danger rating 0/10

Have to disagree. My Grandad once wanged a roll of 100 at my Nannas face and she started choking on her false teeth. Knocked the top plate straight into her tonsils. Made a reet funny noise.

[C-man]

I'm sorry no offence but I the second bit hard to believe, firstly why would head steward be giving out season tickets and secondly why would you not, A lamp the twat or B report it straight away?

It's true that he hands season tickets back. When I was 15 I was lobbed out for persistent standing (had to go to court and everything) and had my ST taken for three games.

When he handed mine back I was very apologetic but he didn't really want to know. To be fair to him he must have dealt with hundreds of yoof like me. At the time I thought he was fairly oblivious to what young lads want at football but he had a job to do so I didn't argue.

[C-man]

IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT WAS THROWN. Why can't people see that? You are not allowed to thrown things at random inside the stadium just like you wouldn't be anywhere else. Paper, coins, lighters it makes no difference. If your stupid and you break the rules you should pay the consequences. If you don't like the consequences, DON'T DO IT !!!

I've been at stadiums, including the KP, where they have handed out sheets of paper to everyone in a stand for some sort of choreography. The result? People make paper aeroplanes and throw them. I have NEVER seen anyone lobbed out and cautioned for throwing something that is far more dangerous (an aeroplane could definitely have someone's eye out) than an unrolled pack of sandwich bags that has the ferocity of being hit by a leaf.

If you can't differentiate between throwing confetti or balloons or even sandwich bags from throwing a coin or a flare then you have been warped by the nanny state that we live in.

Personally I was stunned that no-one was thrown out of P2 earlier with the amount of Perspex-banging that was going on, although unfortunately I'm sure it did draw the stewards' attention to the area.

[banko71]

I'm sorry no offence but I the second bit hard to believe, firstly why would head steward be giving out season tickets and secondly why would you not, A lamp the twat or B report it straight away?

If i had done what i should of done and hammered him on the spot i would of lost my job and been banned for life and secondly i did report it but nothing was ever done because Lee hoos denied everything.

[mackiepas]

OH for god sake. There's always some crisis .. Why don't we just let the guy deal with it himself and we concentrate on the team challenging for promotion!?!

[Oxfordfox83]

OH for god sake. There's always some crisis .. Why don't we just let the guy deal with it himself and we concentrate on the team challenging for promotion!?!

If you have to ask this, you'll never know. 1 guy in Wales vs LCFC will lose, which perpetuates what everyone considers to be outrageous behaviour to their fans on behalf of the club. If you don't care, fine, but if the fans don't act as a group, they have no voice and no power.

[Ashley]

OH for god sake. There's always some crisis .. Why don't we just let the guy deal with it himself and we concentrate on the team challenging for promotion!?!

You really are missing the point aren't you?

[Voll Blau]

If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...

[mackiepas]

You really are missing the point aren't you?

Yes I must be.. explain what is the point?

[Ashley]

Yes I must be.. explain what is the point?

What's the point, well have you read any of this thread by any chance? That's the point someone trying to get abit of atmosphere going and bringing back the old days and he gets chucked out. This simply isn't good enough I'm full behind weasel and I hope justice is done.

[Babylon]

That's the point someone trying to get abit of atmosphere going and bringing back the old days and he gets chucked out.

I think you will find he got ejected for throwing a role of sandwich bags, and not for creating an atmosphere... and the last time I checked lobbing a roll of bags hardly adds to the atmosphere.

Whilst he was dealt this exceptionally harshly and with a typical lack of common sense once again that we see down there. There was no need to do what he did, so lets not hide behind the fact it was because he was creating an atmosphere.

[Lobsterboyuk]

The "losing" of CCTV needs to be addressed because the club are possibly breaching the Data Protection Act when they "lose" information they have used in dealing with incidents. Barclay who is so fond of the rules should acquaint himself with the rights of individuals filmed including their right to request images captured including them. Section 9.2 of this document:

9.2 Subject access requests

Individuals whose images are recorded have a right to view the images of themselves and, unless they agree otherwise, to be provided with a copy of the images. This must be provided within 40 calendar days of receiving a request.

Got the information from here:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/data_protection/topic_guides/~/media/documents/library/Data_Protection/Detailed_specialist_guides/ICO_CCTVFINAL_2301.ashx

[Oxfordfox83]

I think you will find he got ejected for throwing a role of sandwich bags, and not for creating an atmosphere... and the last time I checked lobbing a roll them bags hardly adds to the atmosphere.

Whilst he was dealt this exceptionally harshly and with a typical lack of common sense once again that we see down there. There was no need to do what he did, so lets not hide behind the fact it was because he was creating an atmosphere.

Babs, I'm going I have to disagree with you. The guy came to the match, tried to enhance our dreadful home atmosphere (which is why he had the weapon () with him), and at the end of it lobbed some sandwich bags.

No one was endangered, no one was threatened; no one was even inconvenienced. If people were genuinely worried about it at the time, ok-we're a society in fear for some reason. But as soon as it was established what had occurred, the matter should have been dropped and weasel should have had an apology.

Doing stupid/pointless/spontaneous things should not be carte blanche for idiots in power to overreact. We already have to sit down, stay still, not look excited (until the goal music tells us to), all the while being sold all kinds of junk by the club tapping into its buzzword concepts of community and atmosphere. The guy has now got an actual CRIMINAL RECORD for throwing 10g of soft plastic in exuberance at a football match. If that doesn't sound ridiculous to you, you really need to rethink.

[mackiepas]

I think you will find he got ejected for throwing a role of sandwich bags, and not for creating an atmosphere... and the last time I checked lobbing a roll of bags hardly adds to the atmosphere.

Whilst he was dealt this exceptionally harshly and with a typical lack of common sense once again that we see down there. There was no need to do what he did, so lets not hide behind the fact it was because he was creating an atmosphere.

Exactly.

[Babylon]

If that doesn't sound ridiculous to you, you really need to rethink.

Thanks for your reply, although I can only presume you completely missed the part that said ""he was dealt this exceptionally harshly and with a typical lack of common sense once again that we see down there."

His ejection had nothing to do with him creating atmosphere or what he did proceeding the chucking of the bags. Throwing sandwich bags in no way added to the atmosphere, so I repeat... hiding behind he was only trying to create an atmosphere is pathetic.

Whether it was a moment of madness, an act of showing off or just petulance it doesn't matter, he did it end of story. The little Hitlers down there jumped on him and massively overreacted and he's been treated harshly as I already stated.

[mackiepas]

Babs, I'm going I have to disagree with you. The guy came to the match, tried to enhance our dreadful home atmosphere (which is why he had the weapon ( ) with him), and at the end of it lobbed some sandwich bags.

No one was endangered, no one was threatened; no one was even inconvenienced. If people were genuinely worried about it at the time, ok-we're a society in fear for some reason. But as soon as it was established what had occurred, the matter should have been dropped and weasel should have had an apology.

Doing stupid/pointless/spontaneous things should not be carte blanche for idiots in power to overreact. We already have to sit down, stay still, not look excited (until the goal music tells us to), all the while being sold all kinds of junk by the club tapping into its buzzword concepts of community and atmosphere. The guy has now got an actual CRIMINAL RECORD for throwing 10g of soft plastic in exuberance at a football match. If that doesn't sound ridiculous to you, you really need to rethink.

If you want to create an atmosphere move to L1 area, I dont have any issue with the atmos at KP, if the rest of the stadium want to sit down and be boring thats up to them.. if you dont like it, then move over to L1 area and be part of the atmosphere instead of manufacturing pathetic mob protects for someone that tried to create an atmosphere by throwing a sandwich bag.

[Oxfordfox83]

Thanks for your reply, although I can only presume you completely missed the part that said ""he was dealt this exceptionally harshly and with a typical lack of common sense once again that we see down there."

His ejection had nothing to do with him creating atmosphere or what he did proceeding the chucking of the bags. Throwing sandwich bags in no way added to the atmosphere, so I repeat... hiding behind he was only trying to create an atmosphere is pathetic.

Whether it was a moment of madness, an act of showing off or just petulance it doesn't matter, he did it end of story. The little Hitlers down there jumped on him and massively overreacted and he's been treated harshly as I already stated.

Nope, didn't miss it-but I think that any watering down of what goes beyond overreaction on the part of the club is part of the problem. A real police caution, an actual CRB criminal record for throwing bags. So please let's not split hairs about what was going on when it happened-that is irrelevant. Any 'but' you use, sounds like a mitigation about how the club has behaved, and that's just not acceptable.

[Oxfordfox83]

If you want to create an atmosphere move to L1 area, I dont have any issue with the atmos at KP, if the rest of the stadium want to sit down and be boring thats up to them.. if you dont like it, then move over to L1 area and be part of the atmosphere instead of manufacturing pathetic mob protects for someone that tried to create an atmosphere by throwing a sandwich bag.

Thanks for your view-can you let me know when I'm allowed to cheer too please? Can I wear my away shirt to a home game? Can I stand up if the bloke in front does? I had no idea you were in charge, and I neeeed to know...

Don't miss the point, the club has deliberately participated in getting a fan a record for what is at worst a trivial offence. If you complained about this in the playground, the teacher would tell you to grow a pair, if you complained about this at Filbert St in the 90s you'd have got your head kicked in. Perspective, please!

[indierich06]

Nope, didn't miss it-but I think that any watering down of what goes beyond overreaction on the part of the club is part of the problem. A real police caution, an actual CRB criminal record for throwing bags. So please let's not split hairs about what was going on when it happened-that is irrelevant. Any 'but' you use, sounds like a mitigation about how the club has behaved, and that's just not acceptable.

I'm with Babs, a gross overreaction from the club without a doubt, no-one is denying that at all. But you start chucking stuff about and these health and saftey idiots will be all over you like a rash - it's shit, but it's not going to change, the club will bat away any allegations that they were in the wrong and protesting etc will get us nowhere because as far as the H&S nobheads at the club are concerned, everything they did yesterday was well within their rights. It's a shame because Weasel had obviously done loads to improve the atmosphere that day, but one daft moment and now we're not talking about the great atmosphere, all we're talking about is a bloke getting a criminal record for lobbing some bags about when it needn't have happened.

I just think we need to be a little less naive and try to beat them at their own game. I would recommend going through the official channels like the FSF and fighting this all the way though, as this is a disgraceful reaction from the club.

[jamesmilner]

If you want to create an atmosphere move to L1 area, I dont have any issue with the atmos at KP, if the rest of the stadium want to sit down and be boring thats up to them.. if you dont like it, then move over to L1 area and be part of the atmosphere instead of manufacturing pathetic mob protects for someone that tried to create an atmosphere by throwing a sandwich bag.

"i dont have any issue with the atmos at kp ????????????" oh come on mack , the kp is the worst stadium for atmosphere ive been . its embarrassing , you can at least admit that ?

[indierich06]

"i dont have any issue with the atmos at kp ????????????" oh come on mack , the kp is the worst stadium for atmosphere ive been . its embarrassing , you can at least admit that ?

I don't think it's the worst by any stretch, you've obviously never been to the Ricoh! All modern stadia in England have shit atmosphere these days, most clubs in the country have a shit atmosphere, it's all because modern football club owners are trying to change the profile of their supporters now. They don't want loud, drunken fans who sing for 90 minutes, they want families with lots of cash or people who are going to spend a load of money and sit in their seats quietly for 90 minutes, but food at half time and pop into the club shop on the way out and it's the same all over the country. They're definitely trying to sanitise the 'matchday experience' and gentrify the supporters.