James. Posted 11 January 2013 Posted 11 January 2013 If you are on about Strangers Bar it's about £2.40 a pint. Which isn't worth it as you have to put up with a pissed up Sally Bercow on most nights as well. Humblebrag?
Guest MattP Posted 11 January 2013 Posted 11 January 2013 Humblebrag? Wasn't intending to be, but I suppose it is looking at it. I've only been in twice, believe me it's nothing special. The only good thing is the price.
Ashley Posted 11 January 2013 Posted 11 January 2013 I don't want to teach you how to argue, but you can't attempt to discredit a GENERAL point by stating ONE atypical example. To be honest I could state a few but arguing on this forum is just ZZZZZZZZZZ.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 11 January 2013 Posted 11 January 2013 Maybe if the reason you're you're in politics is for the money, then maybe you shouldn't be in politics? Ergo, we should pay them less.
Webbo Posted 11 January 2013 Posted 11 January 2013 Maybe if the reason you're you're in politics is for the money, then maybe you shouldn't be in politics? Ergo, we should pay them less. The last thing any country needs is to be run by do gooders and boy scouts.
Parafox Posted 11 January 2013 Posted 11 January 2013 I have no problem with them picking up that wage providing they spend their whole working day at Westminster and still do their Saturday surgeries. The last thing you want to do is pay them too little as you will end up with them finding other ways to make up for the shortcomings of it by fiddling their expenses etc. I don't think £80k is that outrageous for an elected member of parliament. Really???.. 32% increase ???? FFS you're unbelievable
The Guvnor Posted 11 January 2013 Posted 11 January 2013 Would be worth every penny if they were all like John Prescott, just for the comedy element of course!! Here are some gems from the man. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/john_prescott.html
Captain... Posted 11 January 2013 Posted 11 January 2013 Would be worth every penny if they were all like John Prescott, just for the comedy element of course!! Here are some gems from the man. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/john_prescott.html They would be worth every penny if they managed to support progress and improving the standard of living without bankrupting the country.
Saxondale Posted 11 January 2013 Posted 11 January 2013 Will ignore the bit about being competency because you're clearly just spouting uninformed rhetoric (though there definitely are some ****ing morons in local office) but the wages for top end execs in the public sector are disgusting. Especially when you put them in to the context of front like staff and vital service cuts. Yeah, it seems to be quite typical to bin 8 x £18k operatives rather than dislodge one £150k exec. Gits! Who spend all day drinking ale at 40p a pint in Westminster, only stopping when the bell rings to go vote! Actual truth! 40p?
Guest MattP Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 Really???.. 32% increase ???? FFS you're unbelievable Not really, every independent body that was commissioned last year has said they were grossly underpaid, the percentage shouldn't matter if thats fact, it should be about finding what the right pay for the job is. What do you think a member of parliament should earn then?
harpendenfox Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 The part of the survey that made me smile was the variation in response according to party, showing how much more Tory MPs think they are worth. Loathsome over entitled oiks.
Guest MattP Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 The part of the survey that made me smile was the variation in response according to party, showing how much more Tory MPs think they are worth. Loathsome over entitled oiks. After what Labour did to the country financially they should have marked themselves down.
Finnegan Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 40p? Hyperbole to an extent but yes, the Lords' and Commons' bars at Westminster come under some tax loophole so the booze is untaxed and dirt cheap. A mate of mine (who isn't an enormous lefty) works for an insurance broker at Bank and had to go with his boss to meet a representative of the House of Lords a few months back and it, literally, he says, involved sitting in the bar for a couple of hours whilst some old boy sunk pints of ale and told them nostalgic stories. Immense.
Jon the Hat Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 The part of the survey that made me smile was the variation in response according to party, showing how much more Tory MPs think they are worth. Loathsome over entitled oiks. I expect their expectations were influenced by salaries they earned in previous jobs in the private sector, and the additional workload they have as MPs.
Rincewind Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 I feel sorry for them. So hard up they need a 32% pay rise. Some might say they should downsize to 3 houses but I say they are worth a 50% rise for all the hours and effort they put in making difficult decisions about closing hospitals and cutting services. Go for it the country supports you.
Guest MattP Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 A mate of mine (who isn't an enormous lefty) works for an insurance broker at Bank and had to go with his boss to meet a representative of the House of Lords a few months back and it, literally, he says, involved sitting in the bar for a couple of hours whilst some old boy sunk pints of ale and told them nostalgic stories. Immense. That pretty much describes every business meeting I've had for the last two years
Guest MattP Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 I feel sorry for them. So hard up they need a 32% pay rise. Some might say they should downsize to 3 houses but I say they are worth a 50% rise for all the hours and effort they put in making difficult decisions about closing hospitals and cutting services. Go for it the country supports you. No need to feel sorry for them, they are still on a good wage. They do need it raising though to a suitable level for the job they do, I'd imagine taking a decision to cut a hospital would be a difficult one, I wouldn't want to chose. Even more so when the last government set up things like Lewisham A&E to run at a cost paying 30million interest a year and now can run away after leaving that mess.
Parafox Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 Really???.. 32% increase ???? FFS you're unbelievable Not really, every independent body that was commissioned last year has said they were grossly underpaid, the percentage shouldn't matter if thats fact, it should be about finding what the right pay for the job is. What do you think a member of parliament should earn then? I could pluck any figure out of the air but they are on a salary agreed by the last pay review. They don't set their own salaries (thank God) and it smacks of greed to suggest they award themselves 32% of their current salary when ALL the UK employees are taking less than 1% os a cut or losing their jobs. I could say I was worth more than I'm paid but I would expect a tirade of abuse if I wanted 32%.
Guest MattP Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 I could pluck any figure out of the air but they are on a salary agreed by the last pay review. They don't set their own salaries (thank God) and it smacks of greed to suggest they award themselves 32% of their current salary when ALL the UK employees are taking less than 1% os a cut or losing their jobs. I could say I was worth more than I'm paid but I would expect a tirade of abuse if I wanted 32%. No you wouldn't, if you feel you are worth 50% more go to your boss, explain the situation, what you do and why you think you are worth that and then ask for it. I would if I was in that position. I've asked for a pay rise twice in my life, I got it both times as it was deserved. I've never understood why more people don't ask for it when they are clearly doing things no one else in the firm can, knowledge is power, use it.
Guest Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 I haven't read through this thread but I believe the title is wrong. I understand from listening to 5 live on radio 4 the other day that the question was what do you think an MP should be paid. It was not the MPs asking for a pay rise. They all realise that is impossible, hopefully. I laughed at the argument that some people didn't become MPs because they would have to take a wage cut. These people should be MPs if they need so much pay. Maybe they can just wait until they're retired at 50 and then "become" an MP. Being an MP is not to be confused with woeking in a private company for the most cash possible.
ADK Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 Some of the posts in this thread are hilarious. We have some of the most stereotypical right and left wing idiots on this forum . I love the "we need to pay people what they feel they deserve or they will fiddle expenses" said with a completely straight face. Thats right then, no MP's would ever fiddle expenses even if it was very easy to do so, so long as we paid them enough money. It's not MP's fault for stealing, but our fault for not paying them more money in the first place. Of course if a lower paid person uses the same logic then they are quite clearly a criminal and a disgrace.
Parafox Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 No you wouldn't, if you feel you are worth 50% more go to your boss, explain the situation, what you do and why you think you are worth that and then ask for it. I would if I was in that position. I've asked for a pay rise twice in my life, I got it both times as it was deserved. I've never understood why more people don't ask for it when they are clearly doing things no one else in the firm can, knowledge is power, use it. For a start, I work in the public sector and my salary is fixed by a pay body i.e. the Government. I don't have any say in what I get paid and cannot ask for a rise. This year I will get less than 1%. This is NOT the reason I am aggrieved by the suggestion that MP's get 32%. it's because it's unfair on the rest of working society.
Guest MattP Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 Some of the posts in this thread are hilarious. We have some of the most stereotypical right and left wing idiots on this forum . I love the "we need to pay people what they feel they deserve or they will fiddle expenses" said with a completely straight face. Thats right then, no MP's would ever fiddle expenses even if it was very easy to do so, so long as we paid them enough money. It's not MP's fault for stealing, but our fault for not paying them more money in the first place. Of course if a lower paid person uses the same logic then they are quite clearly a criminal and a disgrace. Yes that's exactly what I was saying.
Parafox Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 Yes that's exactly what I was saying. As I've said before, you're unbelievable. So by your logic then, MP's should be paid enough not to commit fraud? So therefore, we should pay everyone huge sums of money so they don't go shoplifting/housebreaking/car stealing/ drug dealing... etc etc etc. We could wipe out crime in a week. you're a fool.
Guest Posted 12 January 2013 Posted 12 January 2013 Perhaps bankers should be paid enough money not to commit fraud too.
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