egg_fried_rice Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Right on topic, this piece has just been published. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/15/michael-johnson-released-manchester-city?CMP=twt_gu
bmt Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 How do you know he's in a bad place? He's probably sat in some fancy pub with table service and gourmet burgers letching over waitresses, scratching his fat arse and chuckling to himself that by the age of 24 he has already made enough money to sustain this lifestyle indefinitely. Every source that is close to the player on Man Citys side says his head is in a bad place- infact his mental state was being questioned before he came here, in a move by which I'm sure he intended to prove them wrong. Unfortunately, as we know, he struggled to regain his fitness and the move didn't work. This is more evidence that he's in a bad place, as he couldn't overcome his demons, and probably made him feel all the worse because of it (as he couldn't even succeed at a level below what he'd previously played at) and compounded his issues. However, if you feel your ridiculous speculation about him being happy living a shit life when it all could have gone so differently is more likely to be true than what sources close to the player say, feel free. Also I realise you were being sarcastic but you obviously don't take the idea he may have some mental health issues seriously. Right on topic, this piece has just been published. http://www.guardian....city?CMP=twt_gu No real surprises there, the journo doesn't seem too sympathetic!
Guest MattP Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Once the subject of a £10m bid from Liverpool, Is there a young once promising now shit English player around that Liverpool didn't try and bid shitloads for?
Guest BlueBrett Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 However, if you feel your ridiculous speculation about him being happy living a shit life when it all could have gone so differently is more likely to be true than what sources close to the player say, feel free. Also I realise you were being sarcastic but you obviously don't take the idea he may have some mental health issues seriously. People always feel the need to explain when potential isn't realised. It's always down to some sad story or combination of unlikely circumstances never just because of laziness a lack of commitment or a wandering eye. Obviously I've no idea what brought about his decline but I'm yet to hear any suggestion he has been officially diagnosed with a mental illness. I suppose the doctors at City might be reluctant to do that though because maybe that would make him eligible for ongoing support or a more substantial pay off.
bmt Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 People always feel the need to explain when potential isn't realised. It's always down to some sad story or combination of unlikely circumstances never just because of laziness a lack of commitment or a wandering eye. Obviously I've no idea what brought about his decline but I'm yet to hear any suggestion he has been officially diagnosed with a mental illness. I suppose the doctors at City might be reluctant to do that though because maybe that would make him eligible for ongoing support or a more substantial pay off. I agree with what you're saying in general but there has been a lot of talk that he's suffering with something from their info men etc. I'm not sure an official diagnosis would find its way into the press whilst he's still suffering anyway.
General Smuts Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4745523/Michael-Johnson-released-by-Manchester-City-after-Twitter-picture-emerges.html
foxesfan1989 Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 How do you know he's in a bad place? He's probably sat in some fancy pub with table service and gourmet burgers letching over waitresses, scratching his fat arse and chuckling to himself that by the age of 24 he has already made enough money to sustain this lifestyle indefinitely. He has been arrested for drink driving, he has been rejected by every club he has been at, he has gained weight and now his contract at Man City has been cancelled. He was tipped to be a top England footballer now his career is over. I assume that he isn't exactly loving life at the moment.
indierich06 Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 He has been arrested for drink driving, he has been rejected by every club he has been at, he has gained weight and now his contract at Man City has been cancelled. He was tipped to be a top England footballer now his career is over. I assume that he isn't exactly loving life at the moment. This is all down to him though? It's widely known that as soon as he got a decent contract at Man City he was out on the piss every night and down the casino... his injuries have held him back a bit, but he's thrown away the chance to do what almost every schoolboy in the country would cut their right nut off to do. He's also probably made for life now thanks to that lucrative contract and pay off from Man City. It's very difficult to feel sorry him and his situation when it's his selfish, immature, ungrateful, lazy attitude that's landed him there in the first place. Plus he's been out drink driving twice now too. What if he knocks a kid over one day? I'm sure he's in a bad place but I have got no sympathy at all for anyone who decides to get behind the wheel of a car when they're pissed up.
kylestyle06 Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Poor guy? He had the world at his feet, had MASSIVE potential and blew it, and still getting paid a wage every single person on this forum would dream of! No sympathy from me.
foxesfan1989 Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 This is all down to him though? It's widely known that as soon as he got a decent contract at Man City he was out on the piss every night and down the casino... his injuries have held him back a bit, but he's thrown away the chance to do what almost every schoolboy in the country would cut their right nut off to do. He's also probably made for life now thanks to that lucrative contract and pay off from Man City. It's very difficult to feel sorry him and his situation when it's his selfish, immature, ungrateful, lazy attitude that's landed him there in the first place. Plus he's been out drink driving twice now too. What if he knocks a kid over one day? I'm sure he's in a bad place but I have got no sympathy at all for anyone who decides to get behind the wheel of a car when they're pissed up. People make mistakes in life. It's not all as black and white as you are making out. I just think that a public dressing down with everyone getting on their moral high horse is doing no-one any favours. It's a shame when talent gets wasted but you can guarantee the only one crying about this is Michael himself. He doesn't need all the papers lecturing him to realise this. I say just leave him be.
Captain... Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 I'm assuming the million he cost us was in wages, if he was on 40K, then 40*52= £2,080,000, we had him for half a season, so around £1,000,000 if we paid his full wage.
LcFc_Smiv Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 This is all down to him though? It's widely known that as soon as he got a decent contract at Man City he was out on the piss every night and down the casino... his injuries have held him back a bit, but he's thrown away the chance to do what almost every schoolboy in the country would cut their right nut off to do. He's also probably made for life now thanks to that lucrative contract and pay off from Man City. It's very difficult to feel sorry him and his situation when it's his selfish, immature, ungrateful, lazy attitude that's landed him there in the first place. Plus he's been out drink driving twice now too. What if he knocks a kid over one day? I'm sure he's in a bad place but I have got no sympathy at all for anyone who decides to get behind the wheel of a car when they're pissed up. That's fair enough, but how many young people can deal with being given that kind of lifestyle at such a young age. He was just a kid, he came into a lot of money and had some difficult times, it seems like he dealt with it the only way he knew how. We don't know the ins and outs, Man City probably did put up some kind of support, but how on earth has it got this out of hand? Absolute bollocks that people on here think the blokes happy to throw away what he had. I don't agree with the drink driving, but this could have been prevented a long time ago, there will be plenty of young stars who go down this route given the modern day footballers lifestyle.
Corky Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 I recall his debut, against Watford. Just moved the ball around with a minimum of fuss, looked a tidy player who, if somewhat fit, could be a guaranteed starter in our midfield. Such a shame and a waste.
indierich06 Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 That's fair enough, but how many young people can deal with being given that kind of lifestyle at such a young age. He was just a kid, he came into a lot of money and had some difficult times, it seems like he dealt with it the only way he knew how. We don't know the ins and outs, Man City probably did put up some kind of support, but how on earth has it got this out of hand? Absolute bollocks that people on here think the blokes happy to throw away what he had. I don't agree with the drink driving, but this could have been prevented a long time ago, there will be plenty of young stars who go down this route given the modern day footballers lifestyle. The thing is, he's obviously been given chance after chance by Man City and if he needed any help it would have surely been available - they have some of the best facilities in the world and all kinds of sports psychologists and scientists at the club - you can't kid these people, they would have been well aware his drinking was getting out of control. The club can't do everything though, there has to be some effort from the player as well and it appears there just hasn't been any. I'd say his loan spell here was one of his last chances to prove to Man City that he could come back and a friend of mine who works for the club says that he rarely turned up to training, calling in sick with 'colds' all the time and was just generally uninterested. Unfortunately it sounds like he enjoys the drinking and clubbing side of being a footballer more than he loved playing the game itself. It's absolutely fine to make mistakes, but you have to learn from them and try not to make them again. Michael Johnson is still stumbling out of nightclubs and getting kebabs in the early hours of the morning, even after his contract with City has been cancelled. He got back behind the wheel of a car while he was pissed, despite being convicted of drink driving previously. It would appear he hasn't learnt from any of the mistakes he's made.
indierich06 Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 I recall his debut, against Watford. Just moved the ball around with a minimum of fuss, looked a tidy player who, if somewhat fit, could be a guaranteed starter in our midfield. Such a shame and a waste. Agreed. He's had some really bad injuries, but there's absolutely no reason why he couldn't get back to full fitness and have a career as a Championship footballer. He needs someone to take him under their wing and knock some sense into him. Doubt it'll happen though. Will he try and get another contract at another club? Doesn't look like it based on those pictures - he's not even trying to keep himself fit.
Jace Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 In his defence if I was being paid £25000 a week I would probably be eating KFC 3 times a day too
Mack Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 If you have depression, then it doesn't matter what you earn or what job you do. As someone who is clinically diagnosed with and subsequently on medication for depression I guess I have a bit of an insight into the illness. Did I get fat, give up on my career and forget my responsibilities? Nope, I got help. Depression is an illness and not an excuse.
indierich06 Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 In his defence if I was being paid £25000 a week I would probably be eating KFC 3 times a day too Try £40,000! I think if it was me I'd be doing what I could to make sure I'd still earn that after my contract was up, or better yet, get even more! I really hope he gets his bloody act together and someone takes a chance on him. Too good a talent to not do anything with it.
indierich06 Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 As someone who is clinically diagnosed with and subsequently on medication for depression I guess I have a bit of an insight into the illness. Did I get fat, give up on my career and forget my responsibilities? Nope, I got help. Depression is an illness and not an excuse. Spot on mate.
Guest Bilo Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 In his defence if I was being paid £25000 a week I would probably be eating KFC 3 times a day too On the other side of the argument; if somebody was paying me £25-40,000 a week on the proviso I kept myself fit and ate healthily, I would cheerfully spend the next 15 years of my life eating grilled chicken, pasta and eggs. We mock some of our players going on about Nando's constantly but they're eating the kind of things that would keep the club dietician happy, proteins through white meats and carbohydrates. It really isn't that difficult for a football player to eat healthily, it's not like they work 12 hour days.
bmt Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 As someone who is clinically diagnosed with and subsequently on medication for depression I guess I have a bit of an insight into the illness. Did I get fat, give up on my career and forget my responsibilities? Nope, I got help. Depression is an illness and not an excuse. I would guess that a lot of people with depression don't get help, either due to it going undiagnosed or wanting to 'beat' it themself. Obviously if someone has depression like you say they should get help but I'd shadow a guess that the vast majority of sufferers don't. True that is in one way the person suffering's fault but it must be hard to admit you need the help and seek it out, especially for someone who has been brought up to think they are unbeatable.
Jordan Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 In his defence if I was being paid £25000 a week I would probably be eating KFC 3 times a day too If I were being paid £25000 a week, I would probably be eating healthy, gourmet meals prepared by my personal chef 3 times a day.
Super_horns Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Maybe the injuries got to him mentally plus not quite having the will to re-gain fitness fully knowing he would still get the nice weekly wage (not just his fault ofcourse)? Dangers of maybe giving youngsters too much too soon in terms of money and hype.
Babylon Posted 15 January 2013 Posted 15 January 2013 Sven signed some crackers didn't he... Now Barton his saying Haman (on staff here under Sven) is / was a drug taking gambler!! Thank god for Pearson.
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