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Cardiff City weren't promoted last night. Cardiff City died last summer'

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21st Century Fox

21st Century Fox

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I assume the annoyance with Cardiff comes from the motivation for the changes. Yes other clubs have changed shirt colours and badges but Cardiff changed it to attract interest from Asia, which sort of takes it out of the hands of the local community and plonks it into the world of international business extremely overtly.

While we're all aware of the business side that rules football today, I guess there are some things that we like to feel still gives us a tenuous grasp on what make our clubs part of the local community.

Having said that I'm sure there'd be many, many hypocrites if the chips were down for us.

Kitchandro

Kitchandro

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Cardiff haven't been in the top flight for 50 years, they were £83million in debt before Mr Tann took over. Can anyone honestly say that they'd rather be scrapping around in the lower leagues or out of business rather than change the shirt?

We changed our name from Leicester Fosse to City.We've had 3 different badges while I've been alive and I don't recall anyone giving a shit.

Maybe you should ask yourself why that is then. Surely you can see without anyone telling you that obviously there's a difference between that and what Cardiff have done. Why else would people be making a big deal out of it? I don't think I need to spell out the difference.

In answer to your first question, if we changed to red I wouldn't care what happened to us. Genuinely.

Fox92

Fox92

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I wouldn't say it was fair enough if we changed to be like Man Utd.

The difference is Leeds had a different colour kit for about 40 years, and they changed it over 50 years ago. It's not comparable. They didn't have it for 100 years. And the fans who watch them now, pretty much all of them will only remember them playing in white.

If we did a Cardiff I'd have all these memories of a club who played in blue. Then a month later 'we're' playing in red. No, sorry, not having it, that's not my club. That's the red dragons. Or whatever.

People say the club would still be the same because it's still in Leicester. That's like saying Man City is the same club as Man Utd, then.

And in 40 years, Cardiff will have played in red for 40 years.

They have to start somewhere.

Kitchandro

Kitchandro

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And in 40 years, Cardiff will have played in red for 40 years.

They have to start somewhere.

Why do they have to start somewhere? They could have just stayed blue?

My point is, don't you think their fans should be making a stand against it now? It would be harsh to have a go at the Leeds fans who only know the whites. Maybe club identity wasn't so important to fans back when they changed it I don't know. But it's not modern Leeds fans' fault.

In 40 years I won't blame the 30 year old fans, they'll have only known a red team. But I will blame the fans who were around now and let the club change it's identity. In fact a lot of them are perfectly fine with it.

CardiffAlex

CardiffAlex

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No, I'm not happy with the changes and there are fans groups that are protesting about it, but the majority "rolled over" as you put it, after being issued with the ultimatum "if you don't accept my proposal - I leave and the club goes into administration" - we may not have had a club left - so to say that it's just for money is wrong.

Take a look at this too.

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Kitchandro

Kitchandro

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No, I'm not happy with the changes and there are fans groups that are protesting about it, but the majority "rolled over" as you put it, after being issued with the ultimatum "if you don't accept my proposal - I leave and the club goes into administration" - we may not have had a club left - so to say that it's just for money is wrong.

Take a look at this too.

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Yeh I'm not buying into that. I find it very, very strange that people could actually convince themselves that things were the same if your club did what yours has done. I think a lot of your fans are just lying to themselves because they're desperate to be in the big time.

Amongst the steady attendances there's been a lot of red shirts in the stands this season.

CardiffAlex

CardiffAlex

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There are lots that have accepted the changes, some reluctantly. Sadly, VT issued an ultimatum - fans were faced with the possibility of our club being killed off.. Should the foreign owners in charge of your club have issued Leicester with the same ultimatum, I'm sure most would prefer a shirt change to possible extinction of their club?

That said, I'm ther person who set up the "Blue for Life" group, which are actively chasing the club to return to it's traditional colours and crest.

I hate the fact that we are in red & I hate the fact that we are run by some unstable megalomaniac who seems to want to do whatever he likes... But I also hate the thought of my club closing down. 30million pound debts with no way of paying them? It would be disastrous..

Fox92

Fox92

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Why do they have to start somewhere? They could have just stayed blue?

My point is, don't you think their fans should be making a stand against it now? It would be harsh to have a go at the Leeds fans who only know the whites. Maybe club identity wasn't so important to fans back when they changed it I don't know. But it's not modern Leeds fans' fault.

In 40 years I won't blame the 30 year old fans, they'll have only known a red team. But I will blame the fans who were around now and let the club change it's identity. In fact a lot of them are perfectly fine with it.

I understand you're point, but what can they do about it? Owners have enough power to execute whatever they want to. I don't see the point in blaming the fans, I'm not sure what they can actually do to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

I'm bored of all this anyway now, we've been going through it all day! I understand you're point Kitchandro, and you're one of my favourite posters, but I don't necessarily agree with you on this one.

Guest Bilo

Guest Bilo

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There are lots that have accepted the changes, some reluctantly. Sadly, VT issued an ultimatum - fans were faced with the possibility of our club being killed off.. Should the foreign owners in charge of your club have issued Leicester with the same ultimatum, I'm sure most would prefer a shirt change to possible extinction of their club?

That said, I'm ther person who set up the "Blue for Life" group, which are actively chasing the club to return to it's traditional colours and crest.

I hate the fact that we are in red & I hate the fact that we are run by some unstable megalomaniac who seems to want to do whatever he likes... But I also hate the thought of my club closing down. 30million pound debts with no way of paying them? It would be disastrous..

Cardiff are a big enough club to escape that shit storm. Clubs have been in more debt than that and survived.

OK, you can't expect to be playing in the Premiership any time soon in such circumstances but is that really the be all and end all?

If tradition is important enough to you to start a group like that, which is highly commendable by the way, then surely it is important enough to scrap all dreams of a year's relegation dogfight in the Premiership for?

I would argue that it isn't. In fact, I had more fun in League One than I could ever imagine myself having in the Premiership.

Don't take this as a loaded question, but what would make you walk away?

A name change?

The stadium turning red?

The bluebird being rubbed off the badge?

All traces of blue being removed from all playing kits?

CardiffAlex

CardiffAlex

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Cardiff are a big enough club to escape that shit storm. Clubs have been in more debt than that and survived.

OK, you can't expect to be playing in the Premiership any time soon but is that really the be all and end all?

If tradition is important enough to you to start a group like that, which is highly commendable by the way, then surely it is important enough to scrap all dreams of a year's relegation dogfight in the Premiership for?

If you offered that to me now, I'd bite your hand off. I totally agree with you - Cardiff in blue over prem or championship football even. I've seen us in the basement division before... With only 4k/5k there.

Problem is, our success recently has increased our crowds to 26k on regular basis - lots of "fair weather fans" if you like, all from cheap STs and various cup finals in recent years.

In my opinion - it's the "die-hards" that were there years ago that are protesting/planning regular meetings etc.

Sadly, many fell for Tan's ultimatum. Nobody could ensure our survival either. It doesn't help that a notorious group of "pro-reds" have actively threatened, abused and bullied anyone who stands up for the pro-blues.

At the recent Wales game - a "pro-blue" fan was told to "watch out when the cameras are gone" because of his stance on the rebrand...

CardiffAlex

CardiffAlex

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As for your questions; who knows. It's not something I ever thought about/ever thought would happen to my club.

The red scarf night almost killed it for me - but at the moment, my love for the club is bigger than one idiot who has no idea about footballing traditions.

SystonFox

SystonFox

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A quick point ; a lot of lcfc fans seem to have their backs up over Cardiff and the whole "sold their soul" saga (me included) BUT do other teams forums have 3 or 4 threads about Cardiff city or is it just us that care?

I am slightly narked at cardiffs changes and way they've got about but plenty of it on this forum smacks of jealousy

CardiffAlex

CardiffAlex

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A quick point ; a lot of lcfc fans seem to have their backs up over Cardiff and the whole "sold their soul" saga (me included) BUT do other teams forums have 3 or 4 threads about Cardiff city or is it just us that care?

I am slightly narked at cardiffs changes and way they've got about but plenty of it on this forum smacks of jealousy

It's become a bit of a discussion point today after our promotion.

It's something that no football fan wants to see. I wouldn't want it to happen to Swansea even, it's just not right.

Originally, the fans were up in arms about it & the owners backtracked & said they wouldn't go ahead with it. They also said they were no longer interested in investing & the club told the fans that we would immediately go into admin & my not even have time to be saved.

This then encouraged the fans (rightly or wrongly) to go along with the rebrand.

Fans don't have a say though. In many ways, I wish we messed up & didn't get promoted, purely so that the attendances would have dropped wildly. Now they are easily,replaced.

Dan

Dan

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It depends on the reason. There are certain lines that should never be crossed.

Changing the kit and badge of a football club solely to support the whims of a man who views a football club as an expensive plaything without any consultation from the fans - hell no.

Society today seems to be full of people that believe that because they have lots of money, they have power over things other people care more about. Football is a clear sign of that...quite possibly the clearest.

It is. So many have this belief. We live in a fame obsessed, money obsessed country now. It's pathetic.

larrylloyd

larrylloyd

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A quick point ; a lot of lcfc fans seem to have their backs up over Cardiff and the whole "sold their soul" saga (me included) BUT do other teams forums have 3 or 4 threads about Cardiff city or is it just us that care?

I am slightly narked at cardiffs changes and way they've got about but plenty of it on this forum smacks of jealousy

DieHard BLUE here. Gutted with the rebrand, gutted that thousands accepted it, but at the time it was Tan or bankruptsy

He has not changed to red for "Far East Investment" its purely a lucky thing with him. He found Blue to be unlucky. The

badge will always incorporate the Bluebird now, and we all suspect it will be bigger again next season, we are the Bluebirds

and will never be the Dragons, he's accepted that. He's also NOT changing the name of the Club. There will be a little bit

more compromise next season too. Many many of our ''old school'' fans have been ousted from the Club through banning

orders or prison. The amount of hooligans at the Club ten years ago was incredible, it was a dangerous place for an away

fan to go to, and away games were literally almost exclusively hooligan days outs. So the rebrand has helped the Club to

eradicate the bad name we once had. Many fans embraced the red as a way of somehow 'cleansing' the bad old days!!

I disagree with all that, but its all relevant.

Four months ago the Leicester forum was just rife with your lot saying you were better than us, we were boring, we were

bottlers, we were on a slide, Leicester are going to pull away. Blah blah blah. We didnt fall away, we got better, we bought

Campbell and suddenly looked more potent going forward (as i predicted) it was Leicester bottled it, Leicester who could

not handle the pressure.

So now your back on the rebrand.

Admit it.

You are bitter.

You are also a Championship Club.

We are not

Ozwin

Ozwin

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DieHard BLUE here. Gutted with the rebrand, gutted that thousands accepted it, but at the time it was Tan or bankruptsy

He has not changed to red for "Far East Investment" its purely a lucky thing with him. He found Blue to be unlucky. The

badge will always incorporate the Bluebird now, and we all suspect it will be bigger again next season, we are the Bluebirds

and will never be the Dragons, he's accepted that. He's also NOT changing the name of the Club. There will be a little bit

more compromise next season too. Many many of our ''old school'' fans have been ousted from the Club through banning

orders or prison. The amount of hooligans at the Club ten years ago was incredible, it was a dangerous place for an away

fan to go to, and away games were literally almost exclusively hooligan days outs. So the rebrand has helped the Club to

eradicate the bad name we once had. Many fans embraced the red as a way of somehow 'cleansing' the bad old days!!

I disagree with all that, but its all relevant.

Four months ago the Leicester forum was just rife with your lot saying you were better than us, we were boring, we were

bottlers, we were on a slide, Leicester are going to pull away. Blah blah blah. We didnt fall away, we got better, we bought

Campbell and suddenly looked more potent going forward (as i predicted) it was Leicester bottled it, Leicester who could

not handle the pressure.

So now your back on the rebrand.

Admit it.

You are bitter.

You are also a Championship Club.

We are not

Oh come on now, dont act like billy big bollocks all of a sudden now you've gone up, it took you long enough!

If anything you should appreciate how hard a league it is to get out of and eat some humble pie. You're up, we'll either meet you up there come May for some great days out or we'll see you on your way down next year!

:D

Jordan

Jordan

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The opening paragraph of that article didn't make much sense to me.

There was Cardiff's own Craig Bellamy, who eschewed the chance to play for bigger clubs and make more money to lead his hometown team to the top flight. Even someone upset about his local club changing its historical colors should be able to feel some sort of civic pride from that.

ozleicester

ozleicester

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My Club has played in, Blue, white, yellow, black, red, green, brown and many others.

My club has played at, Fosse Rd, Vic Park, Filbert St, Freemans Wharf

My clubs badge has had a, (confusing ciniquoil) crest, a running fox, a fox and whips, a snarling fox, a smiling fox.

My club has been managed by Scotsmen, Englishmen, Irishmen, Swedes, Portugese

But ill be fvcked if i will support my club if they change anything.

davieG

davieG

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All the time I've supported LCFC, from the early 60s they've always been some 'rich' persons(s) plaything and the fans have had little or no influence over how the club was run other than hounding out managers. The idea of clubs being 'community' is a recent thing as far as I can recall.

Many subtle changes have been made such as the fosse to city (before my time), nickname filberts also nuts to foxes, popular side to the east stand filbert street to the city stadium or some such bland name etc.

Granted fans feel and are evermore isolated from the club but l personally feel that's more down to their ever changing relationship with the players than whoever currently 'owns' the club. I feel very little affinity with the players unlike in the past. I've never felt anything for the owners in fact knew very little about them much less than I know about the current ones.

Super_horns

Super_horns

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I do wonder if our fans would have more of an issue with the loan players/Pozzo take-over if we weren't 3rd in the league and up till a few weeks ago playing some of the best footbal we've seen in a few years?

Plus the fact our previous owner has been found to be a nasty piece of work who should have not been in the game in the first place.

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