Suarez

[Bob Weasel Fox]

If all this entertaining controversy includes 6 months of talk about racism in the game, court cases and handshakes then I'd rather we didn't have it. Never has their been a more drawn out and tiresome situation that sapped my interest in Premier League football so much.

to be fair Kitch i agree with you there. Im sure my enthusiasm for the prem would re-ignite if we ever got back there but tbh i dont look forward to seeing many games anymore

[ScouseFox]

But why is rape any different from biting someone?

Both are morally wrong and illegal.

As for 'is rape a good topic for conversation'? Of course not, but neither is any topic which is morally wrong or illegal.

I'm not even gonna justify that with a reasonable response. You're trying to be clever and ironically making yourself look very silly. Why is you raping a family member of mine different to Suarez biting Ivanovic? Seriously?

If all this entertaining controversy includes 6 months of talk about racism in the game, court cases and handshakes then I'd rather we didn't have it. Never has their been a more drawn out and tiresome situation that sapped my interest in Premier League football so much.

Fair enough, each to their own. I can see what you're saying. I'm not trying to say it's good that he's a cúnt, just that the game needs these figures. Just like it needs bad refereeing decisions, managerial sackings and everything else that makes it as exciting and unique as it is, and makes it comfortably the most popular subject of conversation amongst men all over the country. Again, like I said, this next week down the pub and in work will be that little bit more interesting because of Suarez. Like him or not (and let's face it, nobody does) but you're talking about him. You always will be.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

I'm not even gonna justify that with a reasonable response. You're trying to be clever and ironically making yourself look very silly. Why is you raping a family member of mine different to Suarez biting Ivanovic? Seriously?

Fair enough, each to their own. I can see what you're saying. I'm not trying to say it's good that he's a cúnt, just that the game needs these figures. Just like it needs bad refereeing decisions, managerial sackings and everything else that makes it as exciting and unique as it is, and makes it comfortably the most popular subject of conversation amongst men all over the country. Again, like I said, this next week down the pub and in work will be that little bit more interesting because of Suarez. Like him or not (and let's face it, nobody does) but you're talking about him. You always will be.

Thing is he is talented enough to be talked about anyway without the biting, racism, cheating and diving etc etc

[Grewks]

I'm not even gonna justify that with a reasonable response. You're trying to be clever and ironically making yourself look very silly. Why is you raping a family member of mine different to Suarez biting Ivanovic? Seriously?

I'm not trying to be clever.

You just said that you find something which is morally wrong and illegal entertaining, simply because it is not boring.

I gave you another example of something which is illegal and morally wrong (rape), but would you say that is entertaining? - no you would not.

And to say this...

"Why is you raping a family member of mine different to Suarez biting Ivanovic? Seriously?"

Is like a rapist saying....'Well at least i'm not a murderer'.

On no grounds can you say give any leniency to suarez, or even try and defend him.

[ScouseFox]

Find where I said it was entertaining. Bet you can't. I've not said I enjoyed it, I want it to happen again, it was a good thing, anything like that. I said it was a talking point. Err hello, this is the third page on it in a few hours, we're talking.

You should probably stop comparing it to rape, though. That's what's making you look silly.

[ScouseFox]

Thing is he is talented enough to be talked about anyway without the biting, racism, cheating and diving etc etc

Yeah you're 100% right mate. That's what's probably so frustrating for Liverpool and their fans. I don't think I'd be of the viewpoint of "it's something to talk about" if he played for my club. He's tarnishing the name of Liverpool etc etc, but as a neutral he's giving everyone worldwide a topic of debate, something to argue with friends (and randomers on the internet ) about. Annoying but we've gotta talk about something.

[BoneDog]

i suppose he got his teeth into the game

joking aside, shameful behaviour but the sad fvcker will get away with it as always

I agree it's shameful and I'm surprised that Ivanovic didn't give him a left hook rather than just push him away. I've been bitten and I instantly swung a fist and whatnot at the shit because of the sting.

I still had to laugh at the outrageousness of Suarez though!

[ealingfox]

But why is rape any different from biting someone?

Both are morally wrong and illegal.

As for 'is rape a good topic for conversation'? Of course not, but neither is any topic which is morally wrong or illegal.

So by your logic someone caught littering should do the same prison time as a mass murderer, because they are both morally wrong and illegal and therefore there's no difference between them? Behave.

On the entertainment part, Class A drugs are illegal but they're entertaining as fvck...

[vandamman]

It was a disgraceful act. Ivanovich could've have been KILLED.

[SystonFox]

Our very own Paul Konchesky playing for West Ham in that clip.

And pantsil too

[johnny the fox]

at a different camera angle you can see him putting salt and pepper on his arm. . I don't know what the big fuss is though, you gnaw one lousy arm and nobody lets you forget it..

[Grewks]

So by your logic someone caught littering should do the same prison time as a mass murderer, because they are both morally wrong and illegal and therefore there's no difference between them? Behave.

On the entertainment part, Class A drugs are illegal but they're entertaining as fvck...

Find where i said he should be given 'prison time' and quote it.

Oh wait.....you can't.

I never said there was no difference between them, just that both are wrong.

[Kitchandro]

Find where i said he should be given 'prison time' and quote it.

Oh wait.....you can't.

I never said there was no difference between them, just that both are wrong.

You did imply it.

But why is rape any different from biting someone?

Both are morally wrong and illegal.

As for 'is rape a good topic for conversation'? Of course not, but neither is any topic which is morally wrong or illegal.

[Grewks]

Find where I said it was entertaining. Bet you can't. I've not said I enjoyed it, I want it to happen again, it was a good thing, anything like that. I said it was a talking point. Err hello, this is the third page on it in a few hours, we're talking.

You should probably stop comparing it to rape, though. That's what's making you look silly.

You classed it as a moment of 'excitement'. Something which is exciting, can also be classed as entertaining.

How is comparing it to rape silly?

Both are morally wrong, and both illegal - that is a fact.

I never said that it was as serious as rape, or that a sentence should be given similar to that which a rapist should expect.

I was just stating how hypocritical you are - stating that Suarez biting another person is a moment of 'excitement', but another moral or illegal wrong, such as rape, should not be classed as 'exciting'.

[acooling08]

Loved how the MOTD commentator called it.

'If he'd have done that to Chopper Brown, he wouldn't be standing.'

[Grewks]

You did imply it.

What you have quoted in bold is a fact.

Biting in the eyes of the law would either be classed as a s47 (abh) or s18/s20 (gbh).

No crime is more 'seriousness' than another. Therefore biting, causing either abh/gbh is not seen as a less serious offence than rape.

Within our law system, there are 3 levels of offences:

Summary Offences

Triable either way offences

Indictable offences

Now, this is where i suspect you have gone wrong. There is no such thing as a more 'serious' offence, all crimes are considered as serious as each other, therefore rape is not considered more serious than battery. Cases are actually placed into a category based on the potential sentence of a crime, it has nothing to do with the seriousness.

This point is backed up by the fact that a man found guilty of murder can be given no sentence and acquitted, whilst a man found guilty of driving offences may be given a sentence of imprisonment.

So...in the eyes of the law - Rape is no more 'serious' of an offence than biting, it is only our moral views which result in ourselves labelling offences as more 'serious'.

Source - First Class Law Degree, completion of my year BVC, and into my second 6 months of my pupillage.

[Kitchandro]

You classed it as a moment of 'excitement'. Something which is exciting, can also be classed as entertaining.

How is comparing it to rape silly?

Both are morally wrong, and both illegal - that is a fact.

I never said that it was as serious as rape, or that a sentence should be given similar to that which a rapist should expect.

I was just stating how hypocritical you are - stating that Suarez biting another person is a moment of 'excitement', but another moral or illegal wrong, such as rape, should not be classed as 'exciting'.

Morality isn't a case of fact. I wouldn't lecture someone on their morals because they bit someone, I'd just ask what the fvck was wrong with the nutcase.

I really think you're digging yourself a hole with this rape and morality nonsense, it's neither here nor there. I think we can all agree he's a twat and regardless of how 'entertaining' he is it shouldn't be allowed to happen.

If he wants to be a cvnt he should be punished for it in the right way. Frankly I regard his cheating, diving especially, more off putting than something like this and that I do not excuse. That does not make the game more entertaining, that ruins it.

[Kitchandro]

What you have quoted in bold is a fact.

Biting in the eyes of the law would either be classed as a s47 (abh) or s18/s20 (gbh).

No crime is more 'seriousness' than another. Therefore biting, causing either abh/gbh is not seen as a less serious offence than rape.

Within our law system, there are 3 levels of offences:

Summary Offences

Triable either way offences

Indictable offences

Now, this is where i suspect you have gone wrong. There is no such thing as a more 'serious' offence, all crimes are considered as serious as each other, therefore rape is not considered more serious than battery. Cases are actually placed into a category based on the potential sentence of a crime, it has nothing to do with the seriousness.

This point is backed up by the fact that a man found guilty of murder can be given no sentence and acquitted, whilst a man found guilty of driving offences may be given a sentence of imprisonment.

So...in the eyes of the law - Rape is no more 'serious' of an offence than biting, it is only our moral views which result in ourselves labelling offences as more 'serious'.

Source - First Class Law Degree, completion of my year BVC, and into my second 6 months of my pupillage.

You're the one who brought up morality, not me.

I tip my hat to your hard work in trying to suggest that what Suarez did today is no different to rape, morally or legally (you have suggested both) but the end result is it's still bollocks.

[Grewks]

You're the one who brought up morality, not me.

I tip my hat to your hard work in trying to suggest that what Suarez did today is no different to rape, morally or legally (you have suggested both) but the end result is it's still bollocks.

That is one hell of a hypocritical post....

"Morality isn't a case of fact. I wouldn't lecture someone on their morals because they bit someone"

But then you state that me morally claiming rape is no different in biting someone is 'bollocks'.

[Kitchandro]

That is one hell of a hypocritical post....

"Morality isn't a case of fact. I wouldn't lecture someone on their morals because they bit someone"

But then you state that me morally claiming rape is no different in biting someone is 'bollocks'.

Not hypocritical at all, what I said is based on opinion, and a normal human reasoning at that.

Your argument isn't sound whether you're looking at things literally or in matters of humanity. If you think biting someone is as bad as raping someone then you're a moron, in my opinion.

[AKCJ]

Behave Grewks.

[BoneDog]

Saw it again on MOTD and when he grabbed his arm and leant forward to tuck in I lolled again the crazy swine!

What was he thinking I think he just got it into his head that he was going in for a bite and nothing was going to stop him. He needs putting on tag.

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

Bizarre move, but can't help but feel this is getting out of proportion. A bite (especially with Suarez' rat-like incisors) will hurt temporarily, but a bad tackle or swinging elbow can cause much more serious injuries - these occur all the time, often with little to no consequence on the guilty party.

I'm guessing the bite was done as at first it looks a lot less obvious way to get back at an opponent, but anything more than a standard retro-respective red card would be a bit much (unless he bit so hard as to cause muscle damage). Some people talking about several months ban or permanent ban... just look at some of the high two-footed tackles that miraculously haven't caused broken ankles

[Finnegan]

Why no Lofty?

[yorkie1999]

Nothing will happen, he'll say sorry get a 10 grand fine and the liverpool fans will be singing he bites who he wants in their next game.