Suarez

[ADK]

You'll see players do all sorts of shit in a rugby match though. Deliberate stamping, gouging, a punch here and there. Truth be told there is a different standard.

[Grewks]

No. If you slide tackled someone from behind in the street it's not okay either. He didn't do it in the street. And nobody has said it's okay. Good post though.

does not matter whether it happened on the pitch or not.

Hence the fan who attacked Kirkland, getting the same treatment as if he had punched a man on the street.

[21st Century Fox]

I'm thinking of emailing this off to Liverpool in case the players are planning to wear t-shirts to show their support again....

[AdamN]

Bizarre move, but can't help but feel this is getting out of proportion. A bite (especially with Suarez' rat-like incisors) will hurt temporarily, but a bad tackle or swinging elbow can cause much more serious injuries - these occur all the time, often with little to no consequence on the guilty party.

I'm guessing the bite was done as at first it looks a lot less obvious way to get back at an opponent, but anything more than a standard retro-respective red card would be a bit much (unless he bit so hard as to cause muscle damage). Some people talking about several months ban or permanent ban... just look at some of the high two-footed tackles that miraculously haven't caused broken ankles

It's very hard to prove a tackle has malicious intent behind it, but an act of violence completely outside the laws of the game is plain for all to see. You can sometimes defend a terrible tackle (to an extent) if you think the player was just being a bit over zealous or if he has simply just completely fucked his timing up, but you can't say the same for someone who has gone out of their way to actually attack someone, be it a bite, punch, stamp or whatever.

The guy's clearly a massive cunt, forced apology or not.

[ealingfox]

What does an education have to do with anything?

If anything, your education has been far more successful than mine, as it appears the whole education system has brainwashed you....successfully achieving its aim.

The fact you believe everything that is released by the government just shows you have an inability to form your own opinions.

Remember when Maggy Thatcher re-instated time and time again that the sinking of the Belgrana was not a result of any British force?

Remember when Tony Blair insisted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

I will offer you one final piece of advice, do not believe everything you are told by everyone.

You're the one who brought up your (supposed) qualifications, as if they somehow validated the ridiculous nonsense you've been spouting throughout the thread!

And now you're moving into cuckoo conspiracy theorist territory....

[Captain...]

What does an education have to do with anything?

If anything, your education has been far more successful than mine, as it appears the whole education system has brainwashed you....successfully achieving its aim.

The fact you believe everything that is released by the government just shows you have an inability to form your own opinions.

Remember when Maggy Thatcher re-instated time and time again that the sinking of the Belgrana was not a result of any British force?

Remember when Tony Blair insisted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

I will offer you one final piece of advice, do not believe everything you are told by everyone.

You were the one who brought your "education" in to it.

Whether or not you choose to believe the independent investigations conclusions is up to you, but to claim someone as guilty when they have been proved innocent is libel, therefore you committed a crime and are therefore, by your own definition the same as Suarez and subsequently a rapist.

Your words.

Now if you have nothing better to contribute to this thread I suggest you re-read the last sentence of my original reply to you.

[Captain...]

does not matter whether it happened on the pitch or not.

Hence the fan who attacked Kirkland, getting the same treatment as if he had punched a man on the street.

You do realise that the fan wasn't playing football, and therefore not part of the subset of rules that affect sporting events, whereas every other incidence of violence on the pitch between 2 sportsmen is dealt with by the games governing bodies.

[anotherharboroughfox]

No. If you slide tackled someone from behind in the street it's not okay either. He didn't do it in the street. And nobody has said it's okay. Good post though.

If you shoulder charge, or slide in at someone's feet in the street is that ok?

Football is not played in the street so the same rules don't apply.

Biting is against the rules of football and he has already been punished by his club and will be punished by the FA.

Bastard beat me to it.

yes but tackling is part of the game, you need to do it to help win. Biting is completely irrelevant, I'm not saying he should be charged with assault but definitely needs a lengthy ban.

[Captain...]

yes but tackling is part of the game, you need to do it to help win. Biting is completely irrelevant, I'm not saying he should be charged with assault but definitely needs a lengthy ban.

No problem with that, but saying what would happen if you bit someone in the street implies you think criminal proceedings should be brought, which they shouldn't as it happened on the football pitch, between 2 players.

I'm not sure what would happen if Ivanovic tried to press criminal charges but considering the last time that happened, Gary Mabbutt and John Fashanu I think, Fash nearly ended Mabbutt's career with a deliberate elbow, but despite Mabbutt persuing it through the courts he wasn't further punished.

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

It's very hard to prove a tackle has malicious intent behind it, but an act of violence completely outside the laws of the game is plain for all to see. You can sometimes defend a terrible tackle (to an extent) if you think the player was just being a bit over zealous or if he has simply just completely fucked his timing up, but you can't say the same for someone who has gone out of their way to actually attack someone, be it a bite, punch, stamp or whatever.

The guy's clearly a massive cunt, forced apology or not.

That's a fair point and I'm not defending Suarez in any way. But I don't think this should be made an example of when so many awful tackles (whether harm is intended of not) can be inspected post match that could easily end another player's career.

In this instance I think this is more comparable to when John Terry kneed someone in the back of their knee last season to bring the other player to the ground - in both cases a stupid attack, but it should be taken into consideration that neither of these are likely to cause anything other than a bruise. 3 match ban, token fine, apology, move on

When stamping/similar is involved I think this is a different matter, to lash out in a way that could seriously injure another player shouldn't be tolerated in the slightest - that's where lengthy/permanent bans should lie

[Guest]

Did I hear that he got a 3 match ban?

What a joke.

The guy should be banned worldwide for 5 years.

[Guest]

No problem with that, but saying what would happen if you bit someone in the street implies you think criminal proceedings should be brought, which they shouldn't as it happened on the football pitch, between 2 players.

surely a football pitch IS a public place.

I can understand that people getting injured in a tackle is not a criminal offense but biting cannot be seen in the same light. If he pulled a knife and stabbed the guy to death he'd be charged for a criminal act. He should be here.

[StanSP]

Did I hear that he got a 3 match ban?

What a joke.

The guy should be banned worldwide for 5 years.

Charged with violent conduct. Hearing on Wednesday.

I reckon 3 match is minimum and the hearing will discuss further length.

If it is only 3 matches, the FA can go fvck themselves.

EDIT:

The FA said the match officials had not seen it live and it had been "retrospectively reviewed".

It added that, while the standard punishment for violent conduct was a three-match ban, that was "clearly insufficient in these circumstances".

[ScouseFox]

surely a football pitch IS a public place.

I can understand that people getting injured in a tackle is not a criminal offense but biting cannot be seen in the same light. If he pulled a knife and stabbed the guy to death he'd be charged for a criminal act. He should be here.

Ivanovic was questioned and told police he did not want to press any charges. It has been treated like a criminal offence. Next.

[Captain...]

surely a football pitch IS a public place.

I can understand that people getting injured in a tackle is not a criminal offense but biting cannot be seen in the same light. If he pulled a knife and stabbed the guy to death he'd be charged for a criminal act. He should be here.

It is clearly not a public place, otherwise I wouldn't be arrested for trying to enter it.

What about elbowing someone off the ball, think Morgan vs Hume, or Kevin Davies vs everyone or Shearer kicking Neil Lennon in the head, things happen on a football pitch or any other sports pitch, it is part of the game, it is not within the rules of the game, but it is part of it, and should be dealt with as such by the governing bodies of the game.

Ivanovic was questioned and told police he did not want to press any charges. It has been treated like a criminal offence. Next.

I'm glad he didn't want to press charges, but the police shouldn't have been involved.

[Guest shearfox]

It is clearly not a public place, otherwise I wouldn't be arrested for trying to enter it.

What about elbowing someone off the ball, think Morgan vs Hume, or Kevin Davies vs everyone or Shearer kicking Neil Lennon in the head, things happen on a football pitch or any other sports pitch, it is part of the game, it is not within the rules of the game, but it is part of it, and should be dealt with as such by the governing bodies of the game.

I'm glad he didn't want to press charges, but the police shouldn't have been involved.

Why shouldn't the police get involved? It was assault...

[Guest]

Biting someone is not "part of the game"

Tyson bit someone in a combat sport and got stripped of his licence to box.

Not sure how you can equate a body check with biting someone. Not sure how you can defend him either.

And what about the other part of my premise. Suarez stabs someone to death on the pitch - or simply kicks them to death which is probably more within your limits of "okay in a football match" scenario.

[ADK]

Biting someone is not "part of the game"

Tyson bit someone in a combat sport and got stripped of his licence to box.

Not sure how you can equate a body check with biting someone. Not sure how you can defend him either.

And what about the other part of my premise. Suarez stabs someone to death on the pitch - or simply kicks them to death which is probably more within your limits of "okay in a football match" scenario.

Don't really see why biting is any worse than say a punch, a kick etc. It's deliberate violent conduct, not sure you can equate it with a stabbing or a prolonged assault. Do you think Ivanovic was in danger of death?

[oxford blue]

Ian IIIan Ayre, the Liverpool managing director says: "This is more about getting him back on the right track and it's largely down to [Liverpool manager] Brendan [Rodgers] now to work with him on that side of his character." You'd think from his naïve comment that Liverpool have only just realised that Suarez might have a problem with his behaviour on the pitch, particularly he held the same position during the "Evra affair". Still, probably plenty of time at the start of next season to just that - seems likely he'll have an international ban too for stamping on a player when playing with Uruguay.

[Captain...]

Biting someone is not "part of the game"

Tyson bit someone in a combat sport and got stripped of his licence to box.

Not sure how you can equate a body check with biting someone. Not sure how you can defend him either.

And what about the other part of my premise. Suarez stabs someone to death on the pitch - or simply kicks them to death which is probably more within your limits of "okay in a football match" scenario.

If they stripped of his footballing license I wouldn't complain as it is within football, Tyson wasn't punished by the law for that incident. Anything in the heat of the moment during a game of football stays in the game of football. A prolonged attack that causes death is a different matter. That is not heat of the moment, that is not part of the game.

[Captain...]

Ian IIIan Ayre, the Liverpool managing director says: "This is more about getting him back on the right track and it's largely down to [Liverpool manager] Brendan [Rodgers] now to work with him on that side of his character." You'd think from his naïve comment that Liverpool have only just realised that Suarez might have a problem with his behaviour on the pitch, particularly he held the same position during the "Evra affair". Still, probably plenty of time at the start of next season to just that - seems likely he'll have an international ban too for stamping on a player when playing with Uruguay.

The Evra affair is different as there was doubt over what was said, not going to get into that debate now though.

[Bert]

does not matter whether it happened on the pitch or not.

Hence the fan who attacked Kirkland, getting the same treatment as if he had punched a man on the street.

Well it's an offence on it's own to encroach the pitch, also the lad wasn't playing so of course in this instance it's different.

[Charl91]

[MikeyT]

Nothing will happen, he'll say sorry get a 10 grand fine and the liverpool fans will be singing he bites who he wants in their next game.

[Guest ttfn]

It is clearly not a public place, otherwise I wouldn't be arrested for trying to enter it.

What about elbowing someone off the ball, think Morgan vs Hume, or Kevin Davies vs everyone or Shearer kicking Neil Lennon in the head, things happen on a football pitch or any other sports pitch, it is part of the game, it is not within the rules of the game, but it is part of it, and should be dealt with as such by the governing bodies of the game.

I'm glad he didn't want to press charges, but the police shouldn't have been involved.

The police absolutely should be involved.

BITING is not "part of the game". When a player walks onto the pitch they are fully aware of the risks that playing football brings. Poor or mistimed tackles can (accidentally or otherwise) lead to leg breaks and other serious injuries.

Biting somebody is not even remotely the same. The ball wasn't even in the frame. The game happened to be going on at the same time, but the assault committed by Suarez had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that a football match was being played, much like Ferguson's headbutt back in 1993. It was an act of brutality which had nothing to do with football and should be seen in that light.

Edit: I would add that Suarez is a repeat offender when it comes to doing this, an offence that is essentially ABH. At what point are people going to realise that this guy is a complete menace, and no length of suspension will make him change.