Woolwich

[Captain...]

Pointless. I'd stay the street route now.

 

If they start putting on the suits they will just be tarnished by the media as another BNP and recieve slander at every corner even for things they haven't said or done, stay as they are, it could end up being far more effective.

 

If they are going to stay as they are then nobody will ever pay any attention to them, they will be dismissed as just frustrated wannabe racists without the balls to do anything about it, then I could see their actions becoming more extreme and bombing a mosque or something, then they become the terrorists, which nobody wants. If we want serious political pressure being put on the government to deal with extremists then it needs to come from a more respected source.

[Guest MattP]

If they are going to stay as they are then nobody will ever pay any attention to them, they will be dismissed as just frustrated wannabe racists without the balls to do anything about it, then I could see their actions becoming more extreme and bombing a mosque or something, then they become the terrorists, which nobody wants. If we want serious political pressure being put on the government to deal with extremists then it needs to come from a more respected source.

 

It doesn't though does it? People started to vote for the BNP and instead of addressing the concerns they had they tried to throw Griffin in jail, the same would happen again. They would wheel out whoever led the EDL, put him on Question Time with 4 left-wing panelists, a hand picked audience full of left wingers and he was would leered and jeered at and slandered as a racist by one and all. The hard right fell for it once, they won't again.

 

Despite saying no one will listen to them in their current form, I think some already have, without a lot of the unrest they caused and attention they brought to it I doubt any of these Muslim grooming gangs would have arrested and the abuse would probably still be going onto this day.

 

Keep it as it is as a protest movement, they have absolutely nothing to gain going up against the political elite who would destroy them at any cost.

 

You won't beat the politicians at their own game, they would be far more scared of them on the streets.

[Guest]

Sad for the guy but all blown out of proportion.

 

There are so many sad deaths everyday and others merit more attention in order to improve general British life. Start with road deaths or hospital deaths or...

[Captain...]

It doesn't though does it? People started to vote for the BNP and instead of addressing the concerns they had they tried to throw Griffin in jail, the same would happen again. They would wheel out whoever led the EDL, put him on Question Time with 4 left-wing panelists, a hand picked audience full of left wingers and he was would leered and jeered at and slandered as a racist by one and all. The hard right fell for it once, they won't again.

 

Despite saying no one will listen to them in their current form, I think some already have, without a lot of the unrest they caused and attention they brought to it I doubt any of these Muslim grooming gangs would have arrested and the abuse would probably still be going onto this day.

 

Keep it as it is as a protest movement, they have absolutely nothing to gain going up against the political elite who would destroy them at any cost.

 

You won't beat the politicians at their own game, they would be far more scared of them on the streets.

 

But the only way to affect any change is through political pressure, politics is getting more fragmented as the main parties are being exposed, the EDL need to show they have the support of the people, to affect any change, if the main political parties thought it would win them power, they would jump on it, but people aren't going to support an organisation with their history likewise the BNP. If it is seen as racism, or Islamaphobia, people won't support it, which is why if we are going to tackle it we need a name for this enemy and terrorist and a war on terror won't suffice. 

 

I do see a difference in treatment of these attacks, and IRA attacks as surprising, when the IRA was at it's height, there was never any suggestion that all Irish were terrorists, it was a clear organisation with a clear goal and aim, and there was political dialogue and attempts to resolve this conflict, at the moment there seems no attempt to resolve this conflict just try and prevent attacks from happening with no real attempt to get to the root of the problem which has, in part, been our foreign policy.

[Guest MattP]

But the only way to affect any change is through political pressure, politics is getting more fragmented as the main parties are being exposed, the EDL need to show they have the support of the people, to affect any change, if the main political parties thought it would win them power, they would jump on it, but people aren't going to support an organisation with their history likewise the BNP. If it is seen as racism, or Islamaphobia, people won't support it, which is why if we are going to tackle it we need a name for this enemy and terrorist and a war on terror won't suffice. 

 

I do see a difference in treatment of these attacks, and IRA attacks as surprising, when the IRA was at it's height, there was never any suggestion that all Irish were terrorists, it was a clear organisation with a clear goal and aim, and there was political dialogue and attempts to resolve this conflict, at the moment there seems no attempt to resolve this conflict just try and prevent attacks from happening with no real attempt to get to the root of the problem which has, in part, been our foreign policy.

Agree with the bottom part except the fact the IRA werent associated, my Mother is an Irish Catholic and she's told me all sorts of storied about being searched etc going into bars here, so they were associated with Irish accents by many.

 

The EDL isn't going to change anything, they wont get huge support as they are a violent organisation, they wouldn't get a fair shake in the press even if they did hang up the boots and masks as they would always be associated with and be slandered by the press, it would be exactly the same as the BNP where people would be looked at with disgust if you even dared mention you vote for them.

 

Stay on the street, who is to say in twenty years time a white miltant group wont be active? No one wants that of course but the population of Islam is only going to increase and if they can blow up trains, behead people, have a peadophile ring in every city where they have bit of a presence and set half of the North on fire with 4% of the pop can you imagine what it will be like when they are 20%?

 

I'm not going to predict the future but I think it's fair to say even the more ardent Multiculturalist but a tad worried about what's going to happen, forget about integration now, the ghettos that have been created are so set in stone and grand they aren't going away.

 

Our foriegn policy doesn't help, but lets not pretend these guys were saints before. Racist attacks on Whites were common, Oldham and Burnley were on fire and the Peadophile gangs were operating long before we were in Afghanistan or Iraq.

[Manwell Pablo]

Just been down the canteen here at work, only paper lying about was the Daily Mail.

 

F*kc me are they loving this .

[Mack]

Just been down the canteen here at work, only paper lying about was the Daily Mail.

 

F*kc me are they loving this .

 

They are giving out free sticks to beat anyone with a tan... only in this weekend's Mail on Sunday.

[Guesty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEk0CjMdSP8

 

That's footage of when the police shot them. You have to wonder if they knew it was a armed response unit the way he runs up to the car then drops the knife and tries to turn away (But it was probably suicide by cop).

 

Pity the gobby one's legs are moving, I was hoping they'd have a bullet stuck in their spine. 

[ADK]

I don't fully agree with the article I have to say. Calling accidental deaths 'terrorism' definitely oversteps the mark, that particularly aspect among others isn't correct. But these people have to have motive to carry out these attacks on civilians, our actions in the middle east have probably given them this motive.

 

If we pulled out of Afghanistan perhaps Islamism would be less prevalent.

 

We went into Afghanistan because of the sophisticated terrorist network there at the time. Islamic terrorists have been targeting the West for decades really, and it culminated in 9/11. It's naive to think that simply standing back and doing nothing would have prevented further attacks. I did disagree with the Iraq war and think that led to alot of unnecessary deaths on both sides. One could equally argue that thanks to interventions by the military we get "terrorist" attacks consisting of 1 person killed with a knife rather than 1000+ in a more organised attack. The only ultimate cure (apart from mass genocide) is the Muslim world becoming more educated and secularised which may take hundreds of years or more.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Instead, and everyone knew they would, they went down to London because they fancied a bit of bovver and saw this as an excuse. Attacking the police is not going to do anything other than severely harm any credibility that you might have had as the vast majority of the public support the police.

It's a double own goal really as many will see what they did as unpatriotic and they put themselves on a par with left wing loonies they way they attacked the coppers.

 

True. In many ways they have given the two murderers exactly what they wanted.

[_Fatboyslow_]

Just been down the canteen here at work, only paper lying about was the Daily Mail.

F*kc me are they loving this .

Come on admit it you brought it

[_Fatboyslow_]

The only ultimate cure (apart from mass genocide) is the Muslim world becoming more educated and secularised which may take hundreds of years or more.

Will there fundamental beliefs allow this ?

[Fox92]

What will the government do to try and protect us then? I still think it will nothing, again. Not sure where/when all this will stop.. We've had soldiers attacked places like Luton, they burnt poppies, and recently this sick murder...

[Manwell Pablo]

What will the government do to try and protect us then? I still think it will nothing, again. Not sure where/when all this will stop.. We've had soldiers attacked places like Luton, they burnt poppies, and recently this sick murder...

 

What exactly would you like them to do.

[purpleronnie]

What will the government do to try and protect us then? I still think it will nothing, again. Not sure where/when all this will stop.. We've had soldiers attacked places like Luton, they burnt poppies, and recently this sick murder...

 

protect us?  what do you want the government to do, if someone wants to attack someone they can, happens on a saturday night do you want the government to protect you then?

[Fox92]

Not sure really. I've made a point and then can't back it up... I'll find something. (I meant do something about it).

[Manwell Pablo]

protect us?  what do you want the government to do, if someone wants to attack someone they can, happens on a saturday night do you want the government to protect you then?

 

I'm waiting for the inevitable "kick all immigrants out" etc. Even though both the assailants were born in London.

[Babylon]

What exactly would you like them to do.

 

Execute people using blue brett scale of "dark menacing"... and anyone with one of them funny beards that have no tash.

 

What this attack has taught me, is that there are still lots of nutters out there who do crazy shit to other humans. And that I didn't realise I knew so many ****ing stupid twats on facebook who don't seem to realise they are racist.

[Fox92]

I'm waiting for the inevitable "kick all immigrants out" etc. Even though both the assailants were born in London.

 

I think most terrorists spent time in London.

[Manwell Pablo]

Not sure really. I've made a point and then can't back it up... I'll find something. (I meant do something about it).

 

You're going to find a policy the governmant could implement to protect us from being murdered by random psychopaths.

 

Best of luck with that, if you do find one, may I suggest you gave Dave Cameron a call he might have a job for you.

 

Why don't you start by asking Leighton Baines?

I think most terrorists spent time in London.

 

BORN IN LONDON, I.E THEY ARE BRITISH. I.E NOT IMMIGRANT. I.E BRITISH CITIZEN. I.E HAS BRITISH PASSPORT DIFFERENT FROM "SPENDING TIME" IN LONDON

[Fox92]

You're going to find a policy the governmant could implement to protect us from being murdered by random psychopaths.

 

Best of luck with that, if you do find one, may I suggest you gave Dave Cameron a call he might have a job for you.

 

Why don't you start by asking Leighton Baines?

 

Worst thing is, I could probably get a job.

[Manwell Pablo]

Worst thing is, I could probably get a job.

 

You'd be an invaluable member of the McDonalds team.

[Fox92]

You'd be an invaluable member of the McDonalds team.

 

There's a McDonalds in Downing Street? I definitely need to start looking around.

[Manwell Pablo]

There's a McDonalds in Downing Street? I definitely need to start looking around.

 

If there's not, there should be.

[Fox92]

BORN IN LONDON, I.E THEY ARE BRITISH. I.E NOT IMMIGRANT. I.E BRITISH CITIZEN. I.E HAS BRITISH PASSPORT DIFFERENT FROM "SPENDING TIME" IN LONDON

 

I know that, I was just saying generally.

 

If there's not, there should be.