Guesty Posted 22 May 2013 Author Posted 22 May 2013 Lots of Americans on the internet using this case to fuel pro-weapon arguments. I don't want us to be like America, but a handgun would have been very useful in that situation, I'd have had no hesistation in killing both 'men' as quickly as possible with a view to helping the poor bloke being attacked. Whilst I see what you're saying, imagine if they (and people like them) could easily buy 2 Bushmaster rifles which fire hundreds of bullets a minute.
Jon the Hat Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 Lots of Americans on the internet using this case to fuel pro-weapon arguments. I don't want us to be like America, but a handgun would have been very useful in that situation, I'd have had no hesistation in killing both 'men' as quickly as possible with a view to helping the poor bloke being attacked. A burglar would have already killed you with your own gun, and thousands more would be dead every year. Sounds worse than the odd random murder to me.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 As a Brit living over here, no way would I want the level of fear abd paranoia americans live in. If guns were available, these idiots would have killed many more people. I don't think so. You saw them they killed one and then acted normal, and wanted attention, they could've injured or killed a lot more. The fact that they could kill him and then just chat normally makes them proper nutjobs.
leicsmac Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 Treat the ****ers like the common murderers they are. I don't care if they did it because of religion, road rage or because their girlfriends told them they had small cocks, they are murderers and nothing more. This, this, this. Nail on head Jon. Lock them up, throw away the key and have done with it.
Merging Cultures Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 I don't think so. You saw them they killed one and then acted normal, and wanted attention, they could've injured or killed a lot more. The fact that they could kill him and then just chat normally makes them proper nutjobs. The point is, it takes much more energy and time to kill with a knife than it does a gun. They could have tried to kill more people with the knives, but it is unlikely they would have been very successful. Whereas it is much easier to spray a load of bullets in to a crowd. From what I read they hit the guy with the car first so that they could kill him. No need to do that with a gun.
Kitchandro Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 As a Brit living over here, no way would I want the level of fear abd paranoia americans live in. If guns were available, these idiots would have killed many more people. I thought the witness said they had guns?
Merging Cultures Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 Treat the ****ers like the common murderers they are. I don't care if they did it because of religion, road rage or because their girlfriends told them they had small cocks, they are murderers and nothing more. I agree. Get it off the media too. They've had too much air time already with their propaganda.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 The point is, it takes much more energy and time to kill with a knife than it does a gun. They could have tried to kill more people with the knives, but it is unlikely they would have been very successful. Whereas it is much easier to spray a load of bullets in to a crowd. From what I read they hit the guy with the car first so that they could kill him. No need to do that with a gun. Yeah but these guys in particular appear to have only had the intention of killing one person to make a statement, but obviously this is all just speculation until the true facts are known
Merging Cultures Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 I thought the witness said they had guns? True, there were reports of a firearm. I guess we will see. If they did have one, I doubt it was a high capacity rifle like kids have over here.
AjcW Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 Well I just got back to Woolwich... pretty strange scenes, got off the train to the sound of several helicopters, looks like the police had managed to contain all the EDL in the square and were beginning to move them on. Was still a horrible site to see. Not as bad as the site my dad saw out of his office window earlier in the day as the soldiers lifeless headless body lay on the ground. I've lived here for 9 months now, its a very contrasting community, on the one side of the road you have the royal arsenal development where I live, its a sort of gated area with apartments and houses looking onto the thames... on the other side of the road you have an assortment of take away shops, run down high streets and a wide mix of cultures and people Just recently several shops in the area were raded and terror arrests were made, those sort of strange looking mobile phone shops, sim card fix any problem with your phone type places. Strange... i've always looked at events like this and thought I wonder what it must be like for the people that live there... now I know.
Merging Cultures Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 The point is, it takes much more energy and time to kill with a knife than it does a gun. They could have tried to kill more people with the knives, but it is unlikely they would have been very successful. Whereas it is much easier to spray a load of bullets in to a crowd. From what I read they hit the guy with the car first so that they could kill him. No need to do that with a gun. Yeah but these guys in particular appear to have only had the intention of killing one person to make a statement, but obviously this is all just speculation until the true facts are known Who knows. But I know what situation I prefer. One where there is very little access to guns. Check out Baltimore's murder rate one time. I think we are at 80 for the year so far. In a population of about 620,000.
Harry - LCFC Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 image.jpg Brilliant. Sums it up to perfection. So much attention seeking on twitter of these tragedies, people aren't genuinely upset they just feel it necessary to say they are in order for them to look moral. Some of my closest friends do it as well and I find it very irriating. We don't need to be told this was a tragedy, it's exceptionally obvious. I never tweet after this kind of event, generic comments aren't needed. Better to have a proper intellectual conversation on here.
Libertine Dream Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 image.jpg That is the sad truth particularly with teenagers. I was just looking to retweet it but its not in his pictures anymore
leicsmac Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 "For the enemy is not Muslim, nor is it any other religion or ethnic group, but it is the baleful among all of them, the malign, the cowardly, the vessels of hatred, those who do a bad thing and call it good. Those we saw today, and the wilful fool is eternal."
foxoffderby Posted 22 May 2013 Posted 22 May 2013 Tragic my thoughts are with this chaps family, God knows what they are going through. Did this guy have children? All he was doing was raising awareness for follow soldiers maybe raising some money. Im not even going to waste my life thinking about those involved or religion. What a waste of life
Mack Posted 23 May 2013 Posted 23 May 2013 Exactly this. I know they have a job, but with the attention they place on the killers it might only motivate some other clowns to be copycats. He wouldn't have posed in front of the cameras unless he was some attention-seeker. Now he's getting exactly what he wants. They don't have a job they have an agenda. Sensationalism of events like this gives them more viewers and potentially more sensational events to sensationalise. Remember, when you are running a 24 hour news channel you need juicy events to report on.
Bobby Hundreds Posted 23 May 2013 Posted 23 May 2013 Lost count of the number of "the world has gone mad!!!!!" tweets and facebook status I've read in the past hours. As far as I can determine it was just two mentally unhinged sociopaths on a bit of crystal meth with a very flawed ideology. Do our armed police have a 'shoot to kill' policy or is it shoot to incapacitate?
yorkie1999 Posted 23 May 2013 Posted 23 May 2013 Lost count of the number of "the world has gone mad!!!!!" tweets and facebook status I've read in the past hours. As far as I can determine it was just two mentally unhinged sociopaths on a bit of crystal meth with a very flawed ideology. Do our armed police have a 'shoot to kill' policy or is it shoot to incapacitate? Shoot to incapacitate, ever since that guy got shot on the train and there was a massive public outcry about police with guns. Now people are moaning about the police should have shot these two c**ts dead.
Strokes Posted 23 May 2013 Posted 23 May 2013 The only suprise is something like this hasnt happend sooner, its time for this country to tackle extremism, immigration, positive discrimination and welfare before people feel the need to pick a side. Nobody has a right to live in this society, they should want to contribute and intergrate, if you allow people to just walk in from war torn countries they inevitably wont hold the same social values. There are plenty from all racial aspects that simply do not do enough to contribute they isolate themselves from society and find a sense of belonging in radical groups. We have to do more to educate people because armed on both sides of this radical behaviour are some very poorly educated people, lead by some intelligent manipulative fooks. The country needs an open debate where labels are not thrown about and everybodys opinions, fears and concerns are listened too and responded to in a proper and respectful manner. How can we ever tackle such an issue when people are frightened to express an opinion?
Houdini Logic Posted 23 May 2013 Posted 23 May 2013 It's mind boggling how it took the police so long to get there and then when they did, they didn't just kill the cvnts. the man was dead, surely there's potentially something to be taken from keeping them alive? I for one want to know how they think they can justify this (or whether they are simply insane)
yorkie1999 Posted 23 May 2013 Posted 23 May 2013 the man was dead, surely there's potentially something to be taken from keeping them alive? I for one want to know how they think they can justify this (or whether they are simply insane) you can't liberalise machete wielding nutcases from nigeria with a religious and political motive. All you can do is stop them coming here in the first place. Problem is how many more is there and when's the next time this is going to happen. What pisses me off though, apart from a soldier who defends my country being callously murdered, is the edl using my national flag, the cross of st george, as their symbol.
bovril Posted 23 May 2013 Posted 23 May 2013 you can't liberalise machete wielding nutcases from nigeria with a religious and political motive. All you can do is stop them coming here in the first place. How can you stop them, beyond putting 'are you prone to attacking people with meat cleavers?' on the immigration form. Just stop people at the border who look a bit dodgy? And if they were born here? This is an issue that goes beyond immigration. I've seen lots of stuff like "this will play into the hands of EDL or UKIP" or whatever but what measures can you seriously introduce to stop psychopaths from doing psychotic stuff?
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 May 2013 Posted 23 May 2013 Lost count of the number of "the world has gone mad!!!!!" tweets and facebook status I've read in the past hours. As far as I can determine it was just two mentally unhinged sociopaths on a bit of crystal meth with a very flawed ideology. Do our armed police have a 'shoot to kill' policy or is it shoot to incapacitate? Should of been the latter followed by the former in this case. Prefferable knee caps first.
Houdini Logic Posted 23 May 2013 Posted 23 May 2013 you can't liberalise machete wielding nutcases from nigeria with a religious and political motive. All you can do is stop them coming here in the first place. Who said liberalise anything? I'm saying I'm not sure what you achieve by having these people dead rather than alive. Surely it would be more useful to find out where they were from, who they were part of, their motives rather than just have them lay dead on a floor?
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