Woolwich

[SystonFox]

shoot to kill is too good for these cvnts. let them rot in jail and get bummed by Rory the bastard in the showers. 

[Captain...]

How can you stop them, beyond putting 'are you prone to attacking people with meat cleavers?' on the immigration form. Just stop people at the border who look a bit dodgy? And if they were born here? This is an issue that goes beyond immigration.

 

I've seen lots of stuff like "this will play into the hands of EDL or UKIP" or whatever but what measures can you seriously introduce to stop psychopaths from doing psychotic stuff?

 

You can't, you can't legislate for psychopaths, even with mental health checks and screenings of all people born here or coming into this country, psychopaths don't have a physical disease that you can see, and most will have found ways of hiding their psychopathic traits to fit into society, those that can't are easier to spot, but those that can then you won't know about it until too late.

 

This is not the first senseless killing in the UK, and it won't be the last but we shouldn't be compromising basic civil liberties to tackle what are one off anomalies, despite how much the press whip up the rhetoric about Extremists and Terrorists.

[Strokes]

How can you stop them, beyond putting 'are you prone to attacking people with meat cleavers?' on the immigration form. Just stop people at the border who look a bit dodgy? And if they were born here? This is an issue that goes beyond immigration.

I've seen lots of stuff like "this will play into the hands of EDL or UKIP" or whatever but what measures can you seriously introduce to stop psychopaths from doing psychotic stuff?

I doubt there is an immigration form, its been an open door policy for a decade. I understand your logic but we have to vet people entering the country surely? For instance If people are seeking asylum then this means they have most likely broken the law in their own country, whether we agree with the law or not ( i dont agree with many in this country but im obliged to obey them) surely they belong in jail if they cannot be sent home for risk of tourture or execution. Not just free too inflict themselves on us to our detriment?

[Houdini Logic]

If people are seeking asylum then this means they have most likely broken the law in their own country

 

[Basil Brush]

kill them and be done with it

[bovril]

I doubt there is an immigration form, its been an open door policy for a decade. I understand your logic but we have to vet people entering the country surely? For instance If people are seeking asylum then this means they have most likely broken the law in their own country, whether we agree with the law or not ( i dont agree with many in this country but im obliged to obey them) surely they belong in jail if they cannot be sent home for risk of tourture or execution. Not just free too inflict themselves on us to our detriment?

 

Although the facts haven't been established, it sounds like they were born here. And they quite possibly knew the guy - maybe someone from the community who had joined the force, and they wanted 'revenge' of some kind. I really don't think they just stopped the car and attacked a guy because he had a help for heroes t-shirt.

[Samilktray]

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police

Why didnt this get the same response from people

[purpleronnie]

I doubt there is an immigration form, its been an open door policy for a decade. I understand your logic but we have to vet people entering the country surely? For instance If people are seeking asylum then this means they have most likely broken the law in their own country, whether we agree with the law or not ( i dont agree with many in this country but im obliged to obey them) surely they belong in jail if they cannot be sent home for risk of tourture or execution. Not just free too inflict themselves on us to our detriment?

 

Are you wumming or just a moron?

[Basil Brush]

sick of listening to MPS talk shite about how brave and heroic people were.... are they jesting??

 

Boris Johnson was saying it was astonishing natural couirage from all the people there....Oh really, where was that then? the odd person stumbling upon the scdence, yeah that took courage and an astomishing amount too

 

I feel MPs dont know how we feel, everything i see on BBC and Sky is nothing to what i read online in the uncensored media, Brits are scared to speak their mind

 

I'm not

[Strokes]

Although the facts haven't been established, it sounds like they were born here. And they quite possibly knew the guy - maybe someone from the community who had joined the force, and they wanted 'revenge' of some kind. I really don't think they just stopped the car and attacked a guy because he had a help for heroes t-shirt.

I went slightly off topic, i think these guys were born here. It was an attempt to follow on from my post about social behaviour earlier but it was a fail i guess.

[Basil Brush]

now the ****ing mps are telling the army not to wear their uniform incase they offend muslims..

 

JOKE JOKE EJOKE FUCING JKPEKEKJASEFKS:gjksd\FHL:jksDGsADF|HKP
 

[Jaspa]

now the ****ing mps are telling the army not to wear their uniform incase they offend muslims..

 

JOKE JOKE EJOKE FUCING JKPEKEKJASEFKS:gjksd\FHL:jksDGsADF|HKP

 

 

No, its so they're not easily targetable incase there are any more nutters out there waiting to take heads

[Kyle_Le_Don]

What is st Georges Day? I've forgotten

[Jaspa]

What is st Georges Day? I've forgotten

 

Sounds like you drank too much  

[Samilktray]

What is st Georges Day? I've forgotten

The poor mans St Patricks day.

[Kyle_Le_Don]

Where am I?

Haha 8-)

[leicesterlad1989]

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I think you will find they are called M&M's and they are actually quite nice.

[Mack]

Oh great.

Two people's twisted reality gives a load more people the green light to bring out their racist tendencies and tie them to the mast for all to enjoy.

[Captain...]

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police

Why didnt this get the same response from people

I see what your getting at, but the difference, and the shocking thing in this case is not so much they killed a man, it is the way the stayed around afterwards asking to be filmed and trying to justify it. Just the sheer brazen nature of the attack and what they did afterwards is like nothing I've seen before. That and the fact there is plenty of youtube footage and photos to splash all over the media.

[MC Prussian]

What this act does is that it can possibly give the government/the authorities the incentive to tamper with individual freedom, monitoring us all even more closely.

 

It has already been stated that you can hardly detect a psychopath or psychopathic traits that easily. To a certain extent, we all carry that potential within us. 

With some it triggers, with most it doesn't, though.

 

Such a scenario could lead to even more surveillance in all sorts of daily situations ("1984"-esque).

[RobHawk]

I see what your getting at, but the difference, and the shocking thing in this case is not so much they killed a man, it is the way the stayed around afterwards asking to be filmed and trying to justify it. Just the sheer brazen nature of the attack and what they did afterwards is like nothing I've seen before. That and the fact there is plenty of youtube footage and photos to splash all over the media.

I think both points are valid - I understand that the press  on this case will be huge because of the way the perps acted after the event.

 

However i think samilktray makes a valid point, especially when the general public are in uproar, mosques are getting attacked, the EDL are out etc. What happened was awful and there are no ways that really explain why it happened, but bad things happen every day to all manner of people and we pay no attention and our lives go on!

 

I think its just about that little bit of perspective and the big picture, especially for those morons wanted to get on the anti Islam, anti foreign people train! If they could think for themselves they may realise this but instead they are mere sheep and don't educate themselves on matters or even think for themselves. In many ways this is how terrorism is born and i don't think it will be long before the likes of the EDL really start to "bite back" but in the end will be just as bad as the terrorists themselves.

[Alf Bentley]

http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police

Why didnt this get the same response from people

 

 

I see what your getting at, but the difference, and the shocking thing in this case is not so much they killed a man, it is the way the stayed around afterwards asking to be filmed and trying to justify it. Just the sheer brazen nature of the attack and what they did afterwards is like nothing I've seen before. That and the fact there is plenty of youtube footage and photos to splash all over the media.

 

I agree that the brazen nature of their behaviour is shocking. It'll be interesting to know what the hell led them to behave like that. I might be wrong, but it suggests to me that they were a couple of hate-filled nutters working on their own. Surely, anyone carrying out such acts for an extreme organisation (a) would seek to kill more than 1 person; (b) would seek to die or escape.

 

Samilktray does make an important point, though, asking why people didn't respond in the same way when an apparently innocent 75-year-old Muslim man was murdered in cold blood, stabbed in the back by a young white man. Was there the same media coverage and public outrage? Did militant Muslim organisations blame whites in general and march on their institutions?

 

Whites in general shouldn't be blamed for 1 White nutter/extremist murdering an old Muslim man - and Muslims in general shouldn't be blamed for 2 Muslim nutters/extremists murdering a young white man.

 

The murderous individuals concerned should be dealt with under the law and we should seek to understand what led them to behave as they did, so that it can be addressed. Fueling hostility between different groups will lead to more such atrocities, not fewer.

[Darkon84]

What this act does is that it can possibly give the government/the authorities the incentive to tamper with individual freedom, monitoring us all even more closely.

 

It has already been stated that you can hardly detect a psychopath or psychopathic traits that easily. To a certain extent, we all carry that potential within us. 

With some it triggers, with most it doesn't, though.

 

Such a scenario could lead to even more surveillance in all sorts of daily situations ("1984"-esque).

 

 

We are already the most surveillanced (is that even a word? It is now) country in the world, with more CCTV cameras per metre squared than anywhere else.

[Guest BlueBrett]

I haven't read this whole thread yet but the number of posters in the first couple of pages saying things like 'the EDL will be licking their lips' has really pissed me off.  I shouldn't have to spell this out but I know some of you will swear blind that 2 plus 2 equals 5 so let me say I am absolutely not a supporter of any far right party.  I just think it smack of an incredible liberal bigotry to suggest that people who are vehemently anti immigration would be happy to see something like this happen to a British citizen just because it might bring a few more people round to their way of thinking. That is sick and I think you are either sick or a simpleton for suggesting it. Grow the **** up.  Turn of the news and read you ****ing morons.

[RobHawk]

I haven't read this whole thread yet but the number of posters in the first couple of pages saying things like 'the EDL will be licking their lips' has really pissed me off.  I shouldn't have to spell this out but I know some of you will swear blind that 2 plus 2 equals 5 so let me say I am absolutely not a supporter of any far right party.  I just think it smack of an incredible liberal bigotry to suggest that people who are vehemently anti immigration would be happy to see something like this happen to a British citizen just because it might bring a few more people round to their way of thinking. That is sick and I think you are either sick or a simpleton for suggesting it. Grow the **** up.  Turn of the news and read you ****ing morons.

 

Hypocrisy or what? 

 

I agree with your point, no body wants to see this happen to any person (shouldn't matter whether they are British or not!) but the fact is theres alot of angry morons out there who don't know why they are angry and love a bandwagon if it means an excuse to get in a fight or cause criminal damage (as has happened last night). In my opion, groups like the EDL bring it on themselves by being uninformed and violent!