Britain's poorest city - Nottingham?

[Trav Le Bleu]

I'd be amazed if Leicester, Coventry or Derby would be far behind.

I'm pretty sure stats in the last couple of years had St Matts as one of the poorest places in the country.

 

Yeah, if I remember rightly, St Matthews is the poorest "borough" (is that the right word?) outside of London - or was reported as such a few years back. Seem to remember a thread on here about it. Agree with the first statement too.

 

However, there is a little chink of light - lower wages will almost certainly mean a lower cost of living

[leicsmac]

Ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Ryan!

 

"What is the greatest lie every created? What is the most vicious obscenity ever perpetrated on mankind? Slavery? The Holocaust? Dictatorship? No. It's the tool with which all that wickedness is built: altruism. Whenever anyone wants others to do their work, they call upon their altruism. Never mind your own needs, they say, think of the needs of... of whoever. The state. The poor. Of the army, of the king, of God! The list goes on and on. How many catastrophes were launched with the words "think of yourself"? It's the "king and country" crowd who light the torch of destruction. It is this great inversion, this ancient lie, which has chained humanity to an endless cycle of guilt and failure."

[Trav Le Bleu]

One of the pressing problems about unemployment in the UK right now is 'underemployment' when people have jobs but aren't getting the hours they want. Part time and zero-hour contracts are very common at the moment. All these people are counted as employed but aren't earning much.

 

This is why the unemployment rate is so low right now. In most recessions it's been much higher because those who are underemployed now would have been left without a job. The underemployment rate (those out of work + the additional hours that those in work would like to have) is 10% at the moment i.e. one in ten British workers would like more hours.

 

 I am in this situation at the moment. I am contracted for 30 hours a week (I started at 20 hrs a week to get my foot in the door), but the job I do takes 39 hours. Which is fine... until I go on holiday or any pro-rata bonuses are paid. Often people actually work less than me get paid more.

[Captain...]

The £16k average is nationwide. Average in Nottingham is much less at £10k.

Considering the average salary is £26k nationwide and about £22k outside London, and considering you'd expect each household to have at least one worker, I'm just surprised at the difference between the two numbers.

In reality a lot of households have more than one worker, some have several. If the average number of workers per household is say 1.3 (which should be a conservative estimate), and the average salary is £26k then I think it's reasonable to assume that the average income per household should be £26k * 1.3 which is approx £34k.

The fact that the actual figure is less than half of that is surprising. Clearly my numbers are wrong and specifically the workers per household figure, which needs to be about 0.5 to work out correctly. Considering some households have several workers, can you believe that many more than half of the households in this country don't contain a single person who has a job?

Do you know if those national average wages are worked out as actual take home pay per year, or the salary pro rata. So part workers will have their salary scaled up as part of the statistics, and may have a pro rata salary of 16k, but are only taking home 8k because they only work 20 hours a week, or only get paid 20 hours despite working more.

That would explain some of the discrepancy.

[Rincewind]

I'm only contracted to do five hours. Any I do over is carried over. Don't mind too much at the moment. The work is not too hard. Sit in at a radio show and meet up to discuss news. Occasionally help to interview people of influence.

[MooseBreath]

I'm only contracted to do five hours. Any I do over is carried over. Don't mind too much at the moment. The work is not too hard. Sit in at a radio show and meet up to discuss news. Occasionally help to interview people of influence.

Stick to the topic Kenbo. Concentrate. You'll get more out of it that way.

[Harry - LCFC]

 I am in this situation at the moment. I am contracted for 30 hours a week (I started at 20 hrs a week to get my foot in the door), but the job I do takes 39 hours. Which is fine... until I go on holiday or any pro-rata bonuses are paid. Often people actually work less than me get paid more.

 

So you don't get paid for those extra nine hours? Isn't that bit, well, illegal?

[Trav Le Bleu]

Do you know if those national average wages are worked out as actual take home pay per year, or the salary pro rata. So part workers will have their salary scaled up as part of the statistics, and may have a pro rata salary of 16k, but are only taking home 8k because they only work 20 hours a week, or only get paid 20 hours despite working more.

That would explain some of the discrepancy.

 

 

There's nothing like reptitation for emphasis, but I suspect he heard you the first time

[Captain...]

There's nothing like reptitation for emphasis, but I suspect he heard you the first time

On phone on train, signal cut out so it kept on resending, mods feel free to delete any repeated posts.

[Trav Le Bleu]

So you don't get paid for those extra nine hours? Isn't that bit, well, illegal?

 

I get paid for them when I do them - but if we get a bonus it's usually the 40 hr contract people get 100% and it's pro-rata, so on my 30 hr contract I get 75% despite actually often working more hours and on holidays I just get my 30 hours whereas those on 40 hr contracts get 40 hrs of course. 40 hour contract are like gold dust at Royal Mail though

[Rincewind]

Stick to the topic Kenbo. Concentrate. You'll get more out of it that way.

This topic?

 

I am in this situation at the moment. I am contracted for 30 hours a week

[MooseBreath]

This topic?

 

I am in this situation at the moment. I am contracted for 30 hours a week

 

Not really anything to do with Nottingham being Britain's poorest city though is it

[Rincewind]

Not really anything to do with Nottingham being Britain's poorest city though is it

I think the topic was diverted a long time ago. I came in late.

Whether Nottingham is poorest would depend on the type of industries in the area. It's famous for Robin Hood and lace.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Anywhere that still has a Wimpy may be poor in a monetary sense but miles ahead of anywhere else in terms of moral value

[Wymsey]

Live in the 'sticks'. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

easy to say for Wymsey who wanks himself off with a silk glove every evening

[Wymsey]

Not a valid opinion; I'm a celibate for the time being. 

[Bayfox]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22623964

I guess this explains why they still like to think its 1979 i suppose at least then, they had something to look foward too.

[Wymsey]

I rarely go into Leicester these days, but (asides from possibly 'the Saff' and 'St. Matthews'), what are the apparently poorer parts of Leicester?

[DennisNedry]

I rarely go into Leicester these days, but (asides from possibly 'the Saff' and 'St. Matthews'), what are the apparently poorer parts of Leicester?

 

Also bad are Spinney Hills, Belgrave etc.

Basically most of the housing estates of the inner City are places you really wouldn't want to find yourself in.

[MikeyT]

Not a valid opinion; I'm a celibate for the time being. 

By choice?

[Bob Weasel Fox]

I'd be amazed if Leicester, Coventry or Derby would be far behind.

I'm pretty sure stats in the last couple of years had St Matts as one of the poorest places in the country.

I read somewhere only a couple of years ago that the stats had the st Matthews estate as the 2nd poorest in the whole country?

[Finnegan]

"What is the greatest lie every created? What is the most vicious obscenity ever perpetrated on mankind? Slavery? The Holocaust? Dictatorship? No. It's the tool with which all that wickedness is built: altruism. Whenever anyone wants others to do their work, they call upon their altruism. Never mind your own needs, they say, think of the needs of... of whoever. The state. The poor. Of the army, of the king, of God! The list goes on and on. How many catastrophes were launched with the words "think of yourself"? It's the "king and country" crowd who light the torch of destruction. It is this great inversion, this ancient lie, which has chained humanity to an endless cycle of guilt and failure."

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... Well that didn't work. ****ing phones.

[purpleronnie]

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... Well that didn't work. ****ing phones.

I knew you'd come round in the end.

[Finnegan]

Ronnie.

For Moose, Andrew Ryan is a fictional ultra-capitalist whose monologues are written to be over the top, cliche, American aspirational stuff. A lot of your more ridiculous posts read like you're quoting him.