whoareyaaa Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Loyalty has been lost throughout the world never mind Football.
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 lol Actually true as well. AC Milan defender Paolo Maldini played his final match at the San Siro on Sunday before his retirement at the end of the season. However, it was not a happy affair as his side lost 3-2 to Roma and the captain was also insulted by the Rossoneri Ultras. Some of the fans held up a banners with the number six, referring to former player Franco Baresi and shouting "there is only one captain". Baresi himself briefly commented on these events, claiming that Maldini was a class act. "I regret this, because Paolo does not deserve it," he said to Sky Sport on Monday. The 1994 World Cup finalist then opted not to comment any further on the topic, as he found the situation embarrassing. Maldini has enjoyed a 24 year career with Milan, making his debut back in 1985. He has won a number of honours at club level, including five Champions League trophies and made over 900 appearances for the Rossoneri in all competitions. and people think our fans are bad........
HEGGSY Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Oh I knew of him being booed. I just didn't know it was on that scale. Bad, really.
Finnegan Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Echo Echo.... Sorry, Babs, I guess I skim by more of your posts than I should.
ealingfox Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 You have to remember that for some players football is literally a job. Wasn't it Assou-Ekotto who said as such. He doesn't really like football outside of playing for Spurs and he goes for the pay packet. If a footballer has that attitude and the talent to back it up then of course there's going to be no loyalty. I think that is an incredibly rare, possibly unique case though. I don't see how you could have the drive and passion to make a success of yourself as a player if you didn't even like the game, god knows how Assou-Ekotto has done it.
Fox92 Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 And still got abused by the fans on his last game And yet I couldn't imagine Maldini and some of his family ranting at the fans on a social networking website ala Gallagher here.
Guest MattP Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 I think that is an incredibly rare, possibly unique case though. I don't see how you could have the drive and passion to make a success of yourself as a player if you didn't even like the game, god knows how Assou-Ekotto has done it. I bet their are far more out there in the same boat. Let's face it we all have to play it growing up even if we don't like the sport. I was fairly good and loved scoring goals but I didn't particularly enjoy playing the game a lot of the time. It would be a job to some.
davieG Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Up until 1961 there used to be a maximum wage for all English league players at that time the 'maximum was £20 many on less and reduced during the close season. £20 a week which would have been an aspirational wage for the lower management working man. Jimmy Hill representing footballers got it removed by threatening to strike. Johnny Haynes of England and Fulham fame then became the first £100/week footballer that year. It took a long time for it to filter down to other players and during most of the 60s players still remained loyal/tied to clubs. Money was the main factor in maintaining this loyalty. I guess most 'modern' fans are more than happy to see a steady influx of new players as compensation for the loss of this loyalty. Coerced or not I miss the 'my team' familiarity that this loyalty brought to the game I have little or no rapport with the transient players these days and I'm sure it's partly responsible for my fading love for the game.
AyewJoking Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 He is my favourite footballer, and I use him a lot as an example, but Steven Gerrard defines loyalty for me... All he wanted to ever do was play for Liverpool, just the once. He's achieved much more than that now though, becoming their captain and being voted one if their greatest ever players. It could have been so easy for him to leave Liverpool. Of course, that nearly happening in 2005 and then again in 2006 when he handed in a transfer request (said that he thought Liverpool wanted/needed the money more than him) and every big club in Europe wanted him. Mourinho made several bids for him, Ferguson was always an admirer and wanted him to replace Keane and there was interest from Real Madrid and Barcelona. Although he hasn't won that much, he has achieved a fair amount. The only thing he hasn't got is the Premier League, yeah he gets mocked for that, but if I was him I wouldn't care considering he won the European Cup (scored in the final) and dominated the 2006 FA Cup final which is known as the 'Gerrard final'. he flirted with Chelsea forcing liverpool to raise his wages. he's happy to be a liverpool legend as long as the price is right.
Fox92 Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 he flirted with Chelsea forcing liverpool to raise his wages. he's happy to be a liverpool legend as long as the price is right. I don't agree with that. He requested a transfer because he thought Liverpool needed the money more than himself. Is that flirting with other clubs? He was in two minds. He probably did get a pay rise, yes, but he and Carragher both signed contract extensions the next day. Still a very good servant to Liverpool though. Nobody can doubt that, him and Carragher.
AdamN Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 And yet I couldn't imagine Maldini and some of his family ranting at the fans on a social networking website ala Gallagher here. Maybe not but they would have been totally justified in doing so. Disgraceful behaviour from the fans. And yes, I'm all about the notion that players would have been a lot less 'loyal' back in the day, had they had other teams come sniffing, offering them 2/3/4 times the wages they were currently earning. Aside from perhaps the increased likelihood of winning trophies with certain teams, there'd be little incentive to pack up your bags, move 200 miles from home, away from your friends and family, to be earning just as much as you were before. It is your job after all, and I wouldn't choose to move to Blackburn to take on a job I already get paid handsomely for in Leicester.
Guesty Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 I don't agree with that. He requested a transfer because he thought Liverpool needed the money more than himself. Is that flirting with other clubs? He was in two minds. He probably did get a pay rise, yes, but he and Carragher both signed contract extensions the next day. Still a very good servant to Liverpool though. Nobody can doubt that, him and Carragher. Whilst he has been a good servant that bit in bold is just good PR so your fanbase forgive you. He might have been in two minds, but I bet if Liverpool hadn't given him a pay rise he would have gone. Maybe I'm just too cynical though.
Fox92 Posted 10 July 2013 Posted 10 July 2013 Whilst he has been a good servant that bit in bold is just good PR so your fanbase forgive you. He might have been in two minds, but I bet if Liverpool hadn't given him a pay rise he would have gone. Maybe I'm just too cynical though. Yeah of course it's good PR work. Although the Liverpool fan who burnt his shirt shouldn't have done it imo. Then when Gerrard signed that extension, the fan run over to his car said sorry and tried to kiss him Not sure I can agree with your second part though, especially considering we don't know if he did get a pay rise. I can't see him ever playing for another club, especially in England.
AyewJoking Posted 11 July 2013 Posted 11 July 2013 I don't agree with that. He requested a transfer because he thought Liverpool needed the money more than himself. Is that flirting with other clubs? He was in two minds. He probably did get a pay rise, yes, but he and Carragher both signed contract extensions the next day. Still a very good servant to Liverpool though. Nobody can doubt that, him and Carragher. i will never know what really happened but that surely is bóllocks.
SystonFox Posted 11 July 2013 Posted 11 July 2013 I don't know if its been mentioned but David Batty hates football. He was decent at it but he hated it. When Blackburn won the title I believe he wasn't in the squad and he was round a mates "watching" the game. I say watching, apparently he had his face stuck in a newspaper and didn't give two tosses about the result. (This could apply to when Leeds won the old div 1 if he was with them then I am not 100%)
C-man Posted 11 July 2013 Posted 11 July 2013 I don't agree with that. He requested a transfer because he thought Liverpool needed the money more than himself. Is that flirting with other clubs? He was in two minds. He probably did get a pay rise, yes, but he and Carragher both signed contract extensions the next day. Still a very good servant to Liverpool though. Nobody can doubt that, him and Carragher. I'm a cynical bastard at times but I think you have to be incredibly naive to think that Gerrard was whoring himself out for the good of Liverpool. The guy wanted out or more cash, whatever came easiest. I don't particularly blame him, he was a fantastic player and wanted to make as much cash as possible before his legs inevitably went. The fact he's been able to spin his way out of it as a Kop legend means he's a genius n all.
Aus Fox Posted 11 July 2013 Posted 11 July 2013 Le Tiss has to be the best example of loyalty in modern football could have gone to Utd countless times and stayed with tr struggling Saints. Wayne Rooneys loyalty to Everton was amazing too.. Once a blue always a.... Oh wait I do think you see someone's loyalty when a club is relegated, if you help take a club down you should fight to get them back up again, unless the club need the cash. Muzzy was a great example of this under Adams would have been easy to walk away and could have gone mid table premiership but stayed with us and got us back up.
FoxesAreBlue Posted 14 July 2013 Posted 14 July 2013 Like when we got regelated and Dickov said on the pitch thy he was here to stay. Duly buggered off later that summer!
ealingfox Posted 14 July 2013 Posted 14 July 2013 Le Tiss has to be the best example of loyalty in modern football could have gone to Utd countless times and stayed with tr struggling Saints. Pretty sure he's said before that he hated running and hard work, and had he gone to a top club they'd have made him run and work hard, whereas with Southampton he could just do what he wanted in training and in matches.
shen Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 As long as a player doesn't ask for a transfer request (or his agent tries to engineer a move), I don't see how he isn't being loyal. If a transfer bid comes in, the club have to make a decision. If they accept, how is the player being disloyal? Surely the club is the one being disloyal to the player, not the other way around. You could argue that player contracted to a club in financial difficulty is being loyal to the club by moving for a high fee...
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