Papiss Cisse - Hypocrisy

[nickyboy]

Ok, I am going state from the start this is NOT an anti Muslim thread at all!!

I however am finding his stand against wearing Wonga on his shirt as a little bit of grandstanding and slight hypocrisy

I can understand not wanting to do something on religious grounds, if I remember a few years back Jonathan Edwards wouldn't jump on a Sunday due to his beliefs, but with the Wonga debacle, did he not realise that last season he was already advertising loans and credit cards? Didn't Virgin Money sell those products??

How can that be ok? But not Wonga?

And yes Wonga completely rip off their customers and are a worse loan company than Virgin Money, but that isn't the problem which he is stating

[Super_horns]

Is some of the protest potentially down to the face he wants a move as well as sticking by his religious beliefs which is fair enough.

[darko2k7]

And by him making this stand he is probably promoting Wonga  more so than he would've in the first place by wearing it  !

[indierich06]

Ok, I am going state from the start this is NOT an anti Muslim thread at all!!

I however am finding his stand against wearing Wonga on his shirt as a little bit of grandstanding and slight hypocrisy

I can understand not wanting to do something on religious grounds, if I remember a few years back Jonathan Edwards wouldn't jump on a Sunday due to his beliefs, but with the Wonga debacle, did he not realise that last season he was already advertising loans and credit cards? Didn't Virgin Money sell those products??

How can that be ok? But not Wonga?

And yes Wonga completely rip off their customers and are a worse loan company than Virgin Money, but that isn't the problem which he is stating

 

Virgin Money aren't a completely immoral company who explot people though. I'm glad some people are taking a stand against these despicable companies and I applaud him for it. It's obviously not just a muslim thing, because there are plenty of other muslim players in the PL - Tiote and Sissoko are both muslim and don't have a problem with it - so I'd imagine it's more down to his personal beliefs than anything.

 

There's no other way of looking at it, these companies are glorified loan sharks, exploiting and profiting on the millions of hard up people in this country, it's absolutely scandalous. I applaud Cisse for this, just as I applauded Bolton for ditching QuickQuid as well. If the powers that be won't do anything about these disgusting, immoral companies then it's good that high profile people are speaking out against them.

 

Don't criticise Cisse for refusing to promote these shysters, criticise Newcastle for agreeing to.

 

EDIT: and before people start saying 'well Sharia Law says this...' not every muslim takes every single part of it literally, just as every Christian doesn't follow every single part of the Ten Commandments literally.

[nickyboy]

Virgin Money aren't a completely immoral company who explot people though. I'm glad some people are taking a stand against these despicable companies and I applaud him for it. It's obviously not just a muslim thing, because there are plenty of other muslim players in the PL - Tiote and Sissoko are both muslim and don't have a problem with it - so I'd imagine it's more down to his personal beliefs than anything.

There's no other way of looking at it, these companies are glorified loan sharks, exploiting and profiting on the millions of hard up people in this country, it's absolutely scandalous. I applaud Cisse for this, just as I applauded Bolton for ditching QuickQuid as well. If the powers that be won't do anything about these disgusting, immoral companies then it's good that high profile people are speaking out against them.

Don't criticise Cisse for refusing to promote these shysters, criticise Newcastle for agreeing to.

I applaud Bolton for dropping QQ, but Cisse has stated that he can't support a company who give out loans and nothing about the ethics of the company, As a Muslim he is not allowed to accept credit or pay interest...this is his ethical dilemma

[RobHawk]

Virgin Money aren't a completely immoral company who explot people though. I'm glad some people are taking a stand against these despicable companies and I applaud him for it. It's obviously not just a muslim thing, because there are plenty of other muslim players in the PL - Tiote and Sissoko are both muslim and don't have a problem with it - so I'd imagine it's more down to his personal beliefs than anything.

 

There's no other way of looking at it, these companies are glorified loan sharks, exploiting and profiting on the millions of hard up people in this country, it's absolutely scandalous. I applaud Cisse for this, just as I applauded Bolton for ditching QuickQuid as well. If the powers that be won't do anything about these disgusting, immoral companies then it's good that high profile people are speaking out against them.

 

Don't criticise Cisse for refusing to promote these shysters, criticise Newcastle for agreeing to.

This!!

 

I also read yesterday that Papa has said he's be happy to hear a shirt with no sponsorship logo on it, or that of a charity so he's not refusing to play! In this day and age i applaud him for standing up for what he believes, It doesn't happen enough in this day and age!

[Manwell Pablo]

Yeah, bit of a gaping difference between Virgin Money and Wonga.

[hairy]

Yeah, bit of a gaping difference between Virgin Money and Wonga.

 

Agreed but to refuse one on the grounds of religion is not consistant

[Guest MattP]

lol

 

So Haram is only committed if the company charges over a certain interest rate then?

 

Laugable. Cisse is an idiot, I suppose he'll eat a bacon sandwich if it's 5% pork rather than 100%

 

He better move actually, can't make money from the Budweiser FA Cup either, laughable.

[Guest MattP]

Virgin Money aren't a completely immoral company who explot people though. I'm glad some people are taking a stand against these despicable companies and I applaud him for it. It's obviously not just a muslim thing, because there are plenty of other muslim players in the PL - Tiote and Sissoko are both muslim and don't have a problem with it - so I'd imagine it's more down to his personal beliefs than anything.

 

There's no other way of looking at it, these companies are glorified loan sharks, exploiting and profiting on the millions of hard up people in this country, it's absolutely scandalous. I applaud Cisse for this, just as I applauded Bolton for ditching QuickQuid as well. If the powers that be won't do anything about these disgusting, immoral companies then it's good that high profile people are speaking out against them.

 

Don't criticise Cisse for refusing to promote these shysters, criticise Newcastle for agreeing to.

 

EDIT: and before people start saying 'well Sharia Law says this...' not every muslim takes every single part of it literally, just as every Christian doesn't follow every single part of the Ten Commandments literally.

 

You are completely right on Wonga being a vile organisation but Cisse is still ridiculous hypocrite.

 

You can't have players starting to pick and choose what they sponsor.

 

Would you support one of our players refusing to wear the King Power logo because of the behaviour they have used at their airports or that they are supported and aided by the Thai goverment which is guilty of a dreadful human rights record that commits crimes ten  times worse than Wonga?

 

Dangerous slope.

[indierich06]

You are completely right on Wonga being a vile organisation but Cisse is still ridiculous hypocrite.

 

You can't have players starting to pick and choose what they sponsor.

 

Would you support one of our players refusing to wear the King Power logo because of the behaviour they have used at their airports or that they are supported and aided by the Thai goverment which is guilty of a dreadful human rights record that commits crimes ten  times worse than Wonga?

 

Dangerous slope.

 

I'm completely with Cisse on this. I'm sure he understands that financial companies sponsor football teams and that it's part and parcel of the game, but that doesn't mean he has to support a disgusting, completely unethical company like Wonga. People talk about Islam like you're either a 100% muslim or nothing, there are followers of every single religion across the world who aren't 100% devout in following their chosen religion's teachings to the letter.

 

I don't care what ethnicity someone is, what religion someone follows, if they're standing up against a completely immoral and unethical company like that, they've got my support. Personally, if I was playing for Newcastle United, I'd be extremely vocal about my unhappiness that my club would choose to be associated with a bunch of money-grubbing glorified loan sharks.

 

People who are criticising him over it seem to have an axe to grind with regards to Islam. If it was Steven Gerrard or Frank Lampard saying they wouldn't play in a shirt sponsored by Wonga because they didn't agree with it, I'm sure people would react differently. Bolton were widely praised when they decided to drop QuickQuid for ethical reasons, although that was ridiculously hypocrtical because they weren't that bothered about ethics till the fans piped up.

 

Football is morphing into something very ugly. The game's been all about money for years, but now it's money at any cost. Payday loan companies on the shirts, aiding and abetting in fleecing the fans that support their clubs. It's sickening. 

[davieG]

Wonga seems to be a perfect fit for present day football which is as guilty as anyone for fleecing it's fans.

 

I've nothing against what he is doing but I don't see him or any other footballer campaigning for fair treatment of fans by the football authorities and players for the disgusting salaries they earn.

[Guest MattP]

Indie, so why even bring Islam into it?

 

Why not say he's doing it as he finds the companies ethics unacceptable, Islamic law and Sharia finance is quite clear on interest, its 100% Haram whether it's 0.0001% or 50000% so to say there are followers of every single religion across the world who aren't 100% devout in following their chosen religion's teachings to the letter is not an excuse for this.

 

Everything else with you I completely agree with.

[Kitchandro]

Indie, so why even bring Islam into it?

 

Why not say he's doing it as he finds the companies ethics unacceptable, Islamic law and Sharia finance is quite clear on interest, its 100% Haram whether it's 0.0001% or 50000% so to say there are followers of every single religion across the world who aren't 100% devout in following their chosen religion's teachings to the letter is not an excuse for this.

 

Everything else with you I completely agree with.

 

Exactly. It's either about Islam or it's not.

 

This is where the religion argument falls down for me. If you can pick and choose how seriously you follow a religion why should anyone who doesn't follow the religion take it seriously? And if people don't agree with it's principles anyway why should anyone take it seriously?

 

I think Newcastle maybe should pull out of the deal. If Cisse was really bothered about the ethics of the company he wouldn't be refusing to wear the shirt himself, he'd be coming out and saying Newcastle shouldn't be wearing it.

 

So to me, this has nothing to do with Wonga's ethics sepcifically, this is a misguided and hypocritical religious stance.

[indierich06]

Indie, so why even bring Islam into it?

 

Why not say he's doing it as he finds the companies ethics unacceptable, Islamic law and Sharia finance is quite clear on interest, its 100% Haram whether it's 0.0001% or 50000% so to say there are followers of every single religion across the world who aren't 100% devout in following their chosen religion's teachings to the letter is not an excuse for this.

 

Everything else with you I completely agree with.

 

Well I can't really put words in his mouth and as far as I know, he hasn't actually made a statement in public about it, so I can't comment on his rationale surrounding exactly why he's against it, or why he was ok with wearing Northern Rock or Virgin Money shirts, but regardless of any of that, I completely agree with him anyway.

[SystonFox]

Bolton ditched QuickQuid but aren't Blackpool sponsored by them this coming season? Cvnts

[Guest MattP]

Have to laugh.

 

We're slagging off teams for daring to strike up sponsorship deals with Loan Sharks but we'll quite happily pay our money to a company in cahoots with the Thai government.

[welck12]

Maybe he should take a leaf out of Ibby Jaaber's book:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9477786/what-make-former-upenn-star-ibby-jaaber-return-300000-professional-basketball-team-midseason

 

Jist of it pro basketball player in Europe, quit for the same reasons and returned all his wages to the club

[leicsmac]

Have to laugh.

 

We're slagging off teams for daring to strike up sponsorship deals with Loan Sharks but we'll quite happily pay our money to a company in cahoots with the Thai government.

 

Have to agree with this. King Power aren't exactly whiter than white.

 

That being said, two wrong don't make a right and I'm glad someone is taking a pickaxe to these legalised loan-sharks, even if the justification for it is full of holes.

[RonnieTodger]

Bolton ditched QuickQuid but aren't Blackpool sponsored by them this coming season? Cvnts

 

Sign of the times when so many teams are sponsored by bookies and pay-day loan companies.

[KFS]

Can't they just print him a sponsor less shirt?

[foxoffderby]

Newcastle should sell him. No one is bigger than the club. If he doesn't want to play then go. At the end of the day hes come to this country to earn money not for the love of the sport or the team or the fans.

 

If hes not happy with the way NUFC conduct their business work for a different employer.

[Guest MattP]

Can't they just print him a sponsor less shirt?

 

And what's happens when the next couple want that? Wonga pay to sponsor a shirt, if Cisse scores they want that advert plastered over the tv and papers.

 

As above, if he doesn't like it. Leave.

 

Best to sell anyway, he wont be able to play in the FA Cup given it's sponsored by alcohol.

[leicsmac]

Newcastle should sell him. No one is bigger than the club. If he doesn't want to play then go. At the end of the day hes come to this country to earn money not for the love of the sport or the team or the fans.

 

If hes not happy with the way NUFC conduct their business work for a different employer.

 

 

Perhaps the upper echelons of football clubs should think more carefully about the reputations of the companies they do business with before they do business with them instead?

 

Not that that will ever happen. 

[Guest MattP]

Perhaps the upper echelons of football clubs should think more carefully about the reputations of the companies they do business with before they do business with them instead?

 

Not that that will ever happen. 

 

Wouldn't that be great? Not a chance of it ever happening though.