What Do People Get Out Of Their Negativity?

[MC Prussian]

And you are moaning about moaning about moaning... 

Now to the tune of "Rawhide":

 

 

"Moaning, moaning, moaning,

Moaning, moaning, moaning,

Moaning, moaning, moaning,

Moaning, moaning, moaning,

Rawhide! Yeah!"

[MC Prussian]

we all know how that will go, just a guess there might be " get rid of the manager" comments, then all hell breaks loose.

What I'm getting at is I love a good debate, but it's repetitive now, it's been debated to death, in some people's eyes a large number on here think alot of our support is negative, and I would agree to a certain extent( no more than all walks of life), but then I would argue the supposed negative people have some valid points, and are just not convinced by the management of the club.

I just think it's probably happening as I am writing this, it will just decend into name calling.

The season starts Saturday, lets hope we do well, and if the Nigel doesn't get it right then the powers that be will end the debate for us.

Exactly - some people are just bored to death, so they either bring up stuff from the previous season or manage to construct some sort of super-duper, extra-smart conspiracy theory involving me, Nazis, a four-legged spider and Nigel Pearson.

 

I must say, there's a few really creative ones amongst the hate brigade.

[fleckneymike]

In defence of those posters accused of negativity the vast majority of threads are started by 'positive' people demanding to know why others might be negative and then becoming annoyed when people explain why.

 

 

Am I excited about this season? No. 

Does that make me negative? No.

Do I want Pearson sacked? Not bothered, as long as we play nice football I don't really care.

 

All we have to go on is how the previous season ended and this preseason. I'm sure we'll all agree (especially those of us who went to Watford) that the season couldn't have ended in a much more crushing fashion, the preseason has been a tad underwhelming in terms of signings, matches, youth players etc. The most exciting thing has been 'will we play 352?' and I think that sums up why there is a general malaise setting in.

 

I'm going to Boro, I'll probably go to Wycombe, as long as we play some nice stuff I'll return happy.

[Bettsj2]

Negative points are fine as long as they are constructive. When its just, 'Why aint weh spendin moneh. What Pearson doin iz eh fvckin fick or woh?' It really does grate.

[The Horse's Mouth]

I'm not sure if I class as negative, I like to keep a realistic view though.

[Leicester_Numan]

we all know how that will go, just a guess there might be " get rid of the manager" comments, then all hell breaks loose.

What I'm getting at is I love a good debate, but it's repetitive now, it's been debated to death, in some people's eyes a large number on here think alot of our support is negative, and I would agree to a certain extent( no more than all walks of life), but then I would argue the supposed negative people have some valid points, and are just not convinced by the management of the club.

I just think it's probably happening as I am writing this, it will just decend into name calling.

The season starts Saturday, lets hope we do well, and if the Nigel doesn't get it right then the powers that be will end the debate for us.

Well I've never said that some of the points aren't valid. The first actual valid one in the dislike thread was Col's, listing what he thought were positves and negatives. I responded to that by saying that was a perfectly fair judgement. And he's done another good post in this thread. Sorry Col, can't do rep points on this phone. Most of the points raised against Pearson though are not valid and are the worst kind of unstubstantiated BS, rumours and insults. That's the whole problem though, reasonable debate will usually be met with reasonable debate, rubbish will be met with annoyance and anger. I defend Pearson from that kind of stuff mainly because he's not on here to defend himself (not sure he'd care about it to be honest) but also because this forum would be just full of complete rubbish which people would then take as gospel.

I agree, there is no need for insults and name calling and usually only descend into that myself after repeated insults.

Personally I think the squad we have is good enough for the play offs again but promotion will require the fans to be onside and I don't see that happening right now.

I understand the situation we're in and have already got myself into siege mentality mode for the season but maybe Waller was right and Pearson should issue a rallying call to the fans, certainly couldn't do any harm

[Guest Col city fan]

In defence of those posters accused of negativity the vast majority of threads are started by 'positive' people demanding to know why others might be negative and then becoming annoyed when people explain why.

Am I excited about this season? No.

Does that make me negative? No.

Do I want Pearson sacked? Not bothered, as long as we play nice football I don't really care.

All we have to go on is how the previous season ended and this preseason. I'm sure we'll all agree (especially those of us who went to Watford) that the season couldn't have ended in a much more crushing fashion, the preseason has been a tad underwhelming in terms of signings, matches, youth players etc. The most exciting thing has been 'will we play 352?' and I think that sums up why there is a general malaise setting in.

I'm going to Boro, I'll probably go to Wycombe, as long as we play some nice stuff I'll return happy.

[wurmer]

This is all so tedious.

Start a thread about how brilliant everything is then if you don't want negativity - not the best to start with a negative thread.

Please let the season start so we've actually got something tangible to debate - makes we want to stab my own eyes out at the moment!

[fleckneymike]

 

Well Col, I mean, why ask the question if you don't want to know the answer? (this is not aimed at you)

 

Positivity for positivtys sake is counter productive. I'm looking forward to seeing if Knockaert can add consistency to his game, I'm looking forward to seeing whether James and King can play together, I'm looking forward to seeing if we'll keep the ball on the deck and try and play our way out of the league.

 

I'm not looking forward to long 'passes'

[Dan]

All for a split opinion but the lack of middle ground constantly is embarrassing and I include both sides of the Pearson debate in that.

 

Rather they kept their whinging on here than in the ground though.

[whoareyaaa]

We've signed one lower league player on a free and lost our only home friendly by a mile without scoring a goal.

What do you expect? Street parties in celebration?

In my opinion right now our fans have a right to be frustrated, and they shouldn't be bullied into silence by those who'd back 11 paraplegic dwarfs to win the league in a Foxes kit.

 

What a load of shit.

 

What was you expecting us to sign 5 high quality signings when we know we can't and win our home FRIENDLY.

 

Why should we feel frustrated? we haven't even kicked a ball yet.

[Monsell1976]

All for a split opinion but the lack of middle ground constantly is embarrassing and I include both sides of the Pearson debate in that.

Rather they kept their whinging on here than in the ground though.

Spot on dan.

I have been very vocal in my lack of faith in Pearson but have found some middle ground with some who rate him, including mc Prussian who is probably one of the lively of debaters in his defence.( no offence mc).

But again I have to agree, all fans moan at some point and it seems to be kept on here, it was quiet at the ground rather than booing etc, so hope it stays that way, but I don't mind being called negative because of my opinions, that's there opinions, but for me I have never been one for booing, heckling the team, it's not productive, and in all fairness from post I have read quite a few of the supposed ' negative fans' dont agree with booing either.

But agreed better to have it out on here, than at the ground and affect the teams confidence.

🙠We have something we can all be positive about very soon

[MattGamble92]

[Swiss_tony]

Like some others above i would class myself as a realist.

i don't rate pearson, he's not going to get us relegated, but he won't get us promoted either.

i don't see who is better than him even if we did get rid of him.

we have no money to spend.

ffp is screwing us over like i thought it would.

we finished last season winning 3 out of 24 games.

all of those things together make me pessimistic and apathetic, rather than outright negative.

i applaud people who can ignore reality and view things in a positive way.

just can't manage it myself.

[seenitall]

I think terming it negativity is where the problem lies. Wanting the best for the club should be seen as a positive thing and knowing we are treading water for another season but having the brains/guts to admit it should be seen as positive. Think of it like the French resistance........many in France followed the Nazis for an easy life and because it seemed like there was no way out but a few dared to dream.

I am one of those dreamers......one mans negativity is another mans dream of freedom and a brighter future. One day you will all believe

[Legend_in_blue]

There's a difference between being "negative" and "critical" imo. I think I can be quite critical at times, but that doesn't mean to say I am being negative, I'm just telling it how I see it.

I was "critical" after Saturday's game, not necessarily negative, just critical. There was more to be critical about than positive so does this make me negative? No, I don't think so.

I want us to be successful, but in order to be successful we need to learn from our shortcomings. However, with our attitude, setup, and the general way we went about the game on Saturday suggests to me that Pearson still has a long way to go before ironing out these glaring weaknesses that have been there for much of the final run of last season. He only has a short amount of time to sort it out in otherwise my thoughts will definitely veer towards negative rather than critical as my patience wears thin.

This worries me.

[Thracian]

"Critical" can be as positive as it gets...and this season will be the perfect test of Pearson's abilities and whether his critics are right or not.

 

Sun-in-their-eyes" optimists might think they're supporting the club by standing and cheering whatever dross is being served up by the team - and good luck to them - but it won't do a thing to help City's progress.

 

Critics, in contrast, express their support by cheering when it's merited  and highlighting the things they believe need to be rapidly improved when it's not.

 

This pre-season has left so many followers indifferent and that can't be positive. The feel-good factor is a necessary part of putting ourselves in the best position to win things and it needs to be promoted. But this year's build-up has been flat as a tabletop.

 

Even the Monaco game, which should have stirred the emotions, was all-but an anti-climax. It was summed up by Pearson who said "we didn't do enough with the ball" and that in a game when every player might have been expected to put on a show and demonstrate their own optimism for the future.

 

In the stands it started going flat when we conceded the first goal in next-to no time - making that, really, the end of that.

   

But Monaco was just a day-out. It should have been the climax to an encouraging build-up yet was about as thrilling as brewer's droop to a rampant woman.        

 

Instead, all the game seemed to illustrate was that there's no signs  that the team has been lifted from the demise of throwing away such a fantastic chance of promotion last season - and no impression that they're itching to make amends as soon as they get the chance.

 

I accept that there's no certainties in football.

 

But from the signs so far I can't see us lighting the league up with the sort of exhilarating football we opened with last season.

Nor can I see us finishing much above halfway at best.

 

Far from expecting promotion, I'm concerned that if we fall off the pace early on and be caught up in a battle for survival insted.

 

So much depends on Pearson getting more out of players like Vardy, Schlupp, Woods, Marshall, Waghorn and Knockaert than he already has and I don't see it happening because it hasn't happened up to now.

 

And I cannot imagine anyone emerging from the shadows because no-one has done that either under the current regime.

 

Even Schlupp's career here had to be revived by Manchester United!           

 

As for Pearson, he sounds now like a manager operating under great constraint and in the knowledge that if he hasn't succeeded so far, there's precious little chance of him doing better in today's circumstances.

 

But that's the challenge for him.

 

Any manager can do well with infinite resources. The test is to succeed against the odds by making the very best of what you have. Some managers have that ability. I don't think Pearson is one of them but I'll willingly sing his praises if I'm wrong.

[suffolk fox]

"Critical" can be as positive as it gets...and this season will be the perfect test of Pearson's abilities and whether his critics are right or not.

 

Sun-in-their-eyes" optimists might think they're supporting the club by standing and cheering whatever dross is being served up by the team - and good luck to them - but it won't do a thing to help City's progress.

 

Critics, in contrast, express their support by cheering when it's merited  and highlighting the things they believe need to be rapidly improved when it's not.

 

This pre-season has left so many followers indifferent and that can't be positive. The feel-good factor is a necessary part of putting ourselves in the best position to win things and it needs to be promoted. But this year's build-up has been flat as a tabletop.

 

Even the Monaco game, which should have stirred the emotions, was all-but an anti-climax. It was summed up by Pearson who said "we didn't do enough with the ball" and that in a game when every player might have been expected to put on a show and demonstrate their own optimism for the future.

 

In the stands it started going flat when we conceded the first goal in next-to no time - making that, really, the end of that.

   

But Monaco was just a day-out. It should have been the climax to an encouraging build-up yet was about as thrilling as brewer's droop to a rampant woman.        

 

Instead, all the game seemed to illustrate was that there's no signs  that the team has been lifted from the demise of throwing away such a fantastic chance of promotion last season - and no impression that they're itching to make amends as soon as they get the chance.

 

I accept that there's no certainties in football.

 

But from the signs so far I can't see us lighting the league up with the sort of exhilarating football we opened with last season.

Nor can I see us finishing much above halfway at best.

 

Far from expecting promotion, I'm concerned that if we fall off the pace early on and be caught up in a battle for survival insted.

 

So much depends on Pearson getting more out of players like Vardy, Schlupp, Woods, Marshall, Waghorn and Knockaert than he already has and I don't see it happening because it hasn't happened up to now.

 

And I cannot imagine anyone emerging from the shadows because no-one has done that either under the current regime.

 

Even Schlupp's career here had to be revived by Manchester United!           

 

As for Pearson, he sounds now like a manager operating under great constraint and in the knowledge that if he hasn't succeeded so far, there's precious little chance of him doing better in today's circumstances.

 

But that's the challenge for him.

 

Any manager can do well with infinite resources. The test is to succeed against the odds by making the very best of what you have. Some managers have that ability. I don't think Pearson is one of them but I'll willingly sing his praises if I'm wrong.

excellent post Thracian.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

"Critical" can be as positive as it gets...and this season will be the perfect test of Pearson's abilities and whether his critics are right or not.

 

Sun-in-their-eyes" optimists might think they're supporting the club by standing and cheering whatever dross is being served up by the team - and good luck to them - but it won't do a thing to help City's progress.

 

Critics, in contrast, express their support by cheering when it's merited  and highlighting the things they believe need to be rapidly improved when it's not.

 

This pre-season has left so many followers indifferent and that can't be positive. The feel-good factor is a necessary part of putting ourselves in the best position to win things and it needs to be promoted. But this year's build-up has been flat as a tabletop.

 

Even the Monaco game, which should have stirred the emotions, was all-but an anti-climax. It was summed up by Pearson who said "we didn't do enough with the ball" and that in a game when every player might have been expected to put on a show and demonstrate their own optimism for the future.

 

In the stands it started going flat when we conceded the first goal in next-to no time - making that, really, the end of that.

   

But Monaco was just a day-out. It should have been the climax to an encouraging build-up yet was about as thrilling as brewer's droop to a rampant woman.        

 

Instead, all the game seemed to illustrate was that there's no signs  that the team has been lifted from the demise of throwing away such a fantastic chance of promotion last season - and no impression that they're itching to make amends as soon as they get the chance.

 

I accept that there's no certainties in football.

 

But from the signs so far I can't see us lighting the league up with the sort of exhilarating football we opened with last season.

Nor can I see us finishing much above halfway at best.

 

Far from expecting promotion, I'm concerned that if we fall off the pace early on and be caught up in a battle for survival insted.

 

So much depends on Pearson getting more out of players like Vardy, Schlupp, Woods, Marshall, Waghorn and Knockaert than he already has and I don't see it happening because it hasn't happened up to now.

 

And I cannot imagine anyone emerging from the shadows because no-one has done that either under the current regime.

 

Even Schlupp's career here had to be revived by Manchester United!           

 

As for Pearson, he sounds now like a manager operating under great constraint and in the knowledge that if he hasn't succeeded so far, there's precious little chance of him doing better in today's circumstances.

 

But that's the challenge for him.

 

Any manager can do well with infinite resources. The test is to succeed against the odds by making the very best of what you have. Some managers have that ability. I don't think Pearson is one of them but I'll willingly sing his praises if I'm wrong.

Fine post Thracian.

[buzzy]

well im a realist and don't live on cloud cuckoo land like most of you on this thread

[Bettsj2]

well im a realist and don't live on cloud cuckoo land like most of you on this thread

Where do you live?

[AdamN]

I'm pretty sure this is aimed at those people who never have anything positive to say, and have to pick fault in literally everything Pearson or the team does, rather than those who genuinely criticise the team and make suggestions for improvements.

 

And to those that like to call themselves 'realists', the fact is, any true 'realist' would know that, in reality, pre-season often offers little insight into the season ahead, and as such, it's pretty much pointless even trying to make a prediction on what's going to happen, and it's certainly pointless to start getting worked up about it. Remember how excited we were about all those big expensive signings that Sven was making? Remember playing fancy football and thrashing Peterborough at London Road under Sousa? 

 

So for now, why not try just being excited for the new season? None of us know what's going to happen, so just enjoy the fact that soon we get to watch Leicester City playing competitive football again. Start pissing and moaning if we're 19th in January and Kasper Schmeichel has been sold to Cardiff, not because we only beat Port Vale 1-0 in a friendly, or because we lost to a team that fields Falcao as their main striker. I just don't get how miserable people can get over things that are ultimately meaningless...

[Manwell Pablo]

well im a realist and don't live on cloud cuckoo land like most of you on this thread

 

 

 

Where do you live?

 

 

On Leicester

[MC Prussian]

"Critical" can be as positive as it gets...and this season will be the perfect test of Pearson's abilities and whether his critics are right or not.

 

Sun-in-their-eyes" optimists might think they're supporting the club by standing and cheering whatever dross is being served up by the team - and good luck to them - but it won't do a thing to help City's progress.

 

Critics, in contrast, express their support by cheering when it's merited  and highlighting the things they believe need to be rapidly improved when it's not.

 

This pre-season has left so many followers indifferent and that can't be positive. The feel-good factor is a necessary part of putting ourselves in the best position to win things and it needs to be promoted. But this year's build-up has been flat as a tabletop.

 

Even the Monaco game, which should have stirred the emotions, was all-but an anti-climax. It was summed up by Pearson who said "we didn't do enough with the ball" and that in a game when every player might have been expected to put on a show and demonstrate their own optimism for the future.

 

In the stands it started going flat when we conceded the first goal in next-to no time - making that, really, the end of that.

   

But Monaco was just a day-out. It should have been the climax to an encouraging build-up yet was about as thrilling as brewer's droop to a rampant woman.        

 

Instead, all the game seemed to illustrate was that there's no signs  that the team has been lifted from the demise of throwing away such a fantastic chance of promotion last season - and no impression that they're itching to make amends as soon as they get the chance.

 

I accept that there's no certainties in football.

 

But from the signs so far I can't see us lighting the league up with the sort of exhilarating football we opened with last season.

Nor can I see us finishing much above halfway at best.

 

Far from expecting promotion, I'm concerned that if we fall off the pace early on and be caught up in a battle for survival insted.

 

So much depends on Pearson getting more out of players like Vardy, Schlupp, Woods, Marshall, Waghorn and Knockaert than he already has and I don't see it happening because it hasn't happened up to now.

 

And I cannot imagine anyone emerging from the shadows because no-one has done that either under the current regime.

 

Even Schlupp's career here had to be revived by Manchester United!           

 

As for Pearson, he sounds now like a manager operating under great constraint and in the knowledge that if he hasn't succeeded so far, there's precious little chance of him doing better in today's circumstances.

 

But that's the challenge for him.

 

Any manager can do well with infinite resources. The test is to succeed against the odds by making the very best of what you have. Some managers have that ability. I don't think Pearson is one of them but I'll willingly sing his praises if I'm wrong.

Tony, football fans and Leicester City fans are ALWAYS critical of their manager - this season is no different.

 

The difference here is that in order to be critical, one has to serve thought-out arguments, instead of following others with simplistic, rallying cries for the manager's head.

I remember the numerous amount of times we were prepared in pre-season with overhyped spectacle and impressive five-star service, and then the season itself crumbled and crushed like the perfect dream of a harem full of super-vixens.

 

This pre-season has been subdued and Pearson as well as the rest of the management have so far kept a tight lid on mostly everything. Whether this is/was a good strategy, remains to be seen. However, I find it great they don't play into the masses' and media's hands by proclaiming the season to be a walk in the park.

 

I tend to believe the management either pulled the plug on in the marketing department or they were completely unable to face the task of promoting the pre-season more than they've done up to this point.

 

As for your Schlupp comment - his career hasn't even taken off, so why talking about a "revival"?

There were encouraging signs coming from James, Waghorn and even Whitbread that the team that we have can go places - if the willpower and lady injury luck are with us.

You're already downplaying the manager's influence on the upcoming season, giving him "little chance" of succeeding. Optimism or realism sounds different in my eyes.

 

And no manager has infinite resources - you either deliver or you're gone.

[Ric Flair]

Pearson is going nowhere for the foreseeable future

Deadwood playing staff are going nowhere for the foreseeable future

 

What do people gain out of being a bunch of miserable, moaning c***s, who when combined in a football stadium on matchday create a negative atmosphere that is counterproductive to our common goal of having a successful season & playing some good stuff along the way?

 

Please note: The opposite of being a miserable, moaning c*** (dragging everyone else, the players & the manager down) doesn't have to be a happy clapper

 

We're all in this together

from Schmeichel, James & Nugent to Danns, SSL & Gallagher,

from someone going to their first game, to someone who saw Arthur Rowley banging them in,

from Pearson to the fans - each and everyone of us

 

We all want exactly the same thing - Success

 

So, come on - what do you get out of it, and do you realise how counter-productive it's going to be?

 

What scares me and pisses me off the most going in to this new season is the fact I really don't give a shit. I wish I did but I think that sums up the whole feeling towards us at the minute. I think i'm worried that if I do care and do have hope and belief that we're in for a good season that it'll hurt so much when we have a shocker. I take my hat off to any Leicester fan with genuine belief we're in good nick and are going to do well, I just hope you have a solid circle of family and friends around you when the dog muck hits the fan. Be brave lads or don't give a toss. I'm too tired of the reptitive negativity, just wind it in.