hackneyfox Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 Based on what facts could "any manager" have done that? Sheff Wed/Utd , leeds and Notts Florest will all disagree with that. Its a tough league to get out of. Doncaster managed it last season, many others have as well, including at least one who went straight back to the premier. I also mentioned the team that we had, not Sheff W, Leeds or Forests team. Do you not have the intelligence to read a post properly before jumping straight in? berk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 Doncaster managed it last season, many others have as well, including at least one who went straight back to the premier. Not the point. The relegated team will always have the edge. So a decent proportion will be able to bounce back. However, you didn't say we had the edge, you said "anyone could of done it" which is incorrect, and there are numerous examples of teams with backing and quality getting lost in that league for seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 Not the point. The relegated team will always have the edge. So a decent proportion will be able to bounce back. However, you didn't say we had the edge, you said "anyone could of done it" which is incorrect, and there are numerous examples of teams with backing and quality getting lost in that league for seasons. No I didn't I said 'although I think almost any manager could have got that team promoted'. I was talking about the Leicester City team he was in charge of not some other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svensson Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 Doncaster managed it last season, many others have as well, including at least one who went straight back to the premier. I also mentioned the team that we had, not Sheff W, Leeds or Forests team. Do you not have the intelligence to read a post properly before jumping straight in? berk I read your post and it made little to no sense, you argue based on generalisations and not fact. This is fun though, the more you post in anger the more I am proved right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 No I didn't I said 'although I think almost any manager could have got that team promoted'. I was talking about the Leicester City team he was in charge of not some other team. Same difference There have been better teams than us get lost in that league for seasons. So clearly it is not that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 I'm a big Pearson fan but I hate these threads! All it does it give the Pearson haters more of a platform to slag him off Unless you don't slag him off - and then you're criticised for not being visible when things are going well ...... There's only one acceptable position as an LCFC fan on FT - and that's love NP, even if you don't!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 No I didn't I said 'although I think almost any manager could have got that team promoted'. I was talking about the Leicester City team he was in charge of not some other team. But you overlook a number of key points about that. It was him who put that team together, and got the best out of the ones who stuck around. So things could have worked out different if he hadn't been appointed and we may not have been promoted. That's all if's and but's. But it seems that for the "haters" it's a point that they like to make in the sense that it wasn't really a great achievement because any one could have done the same job, overlooking the fact that he bought in players like Hobbs and Dyer and got the best of of the likes of Fryatt. Players who played an important role the following season in getting us into the playoffs. And that's kinda my point from my earlier post, it's about the good work he continually does for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 I was just answering in the same vein as your posts. How difficult is it to understand: 'That is one thing I do thank Pearson for, although I think almost any manager could have got that team promoted, he gave me back my pride in my club after we'd reached ourr lowest point ever.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 Unless you don't slag him off - and then you're criticised for not being visible when things are going well ...... There's only one acceptable position as an LCFC fan on FT - and that's love NP, even if you don't!! Unless you're from the other camp - hate him even if you don't. "lovers" and "haters" are just as bad as each other. No middle ground, it's all quite clearly black or white. I kinda like the grey patch in the middle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 grey is the new black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 grey is the new black unless it's our away kit, then it's kinda browny, goldy grey with lovely yellow bits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 Unless you're from the other camp - hate him even if you don't. "lovers" and "haters" are just as bad as each other. No middle ground, it's all quite clearly black or white. I kinda like the grey patch in the middle Me too .... but as someone that has criticised NP I'm conveniently pigeon holed as a "Hater" .... Fact is, I don't warm to him much as a bloke, but he seems to have done alot of work on his weaknesses over the summer ..... And he appears to have learnt some lessons from last season. That's great and is good news ..... I recognise that and welcome it, and am happy to change my mind as it continues. But the closed minded Lovers will gloat and see that pragmatism and flexibility as proof that they were always right and will gloat ... that's what i find irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluearmy 316 Posted 20 September 2013 Author Share Posted 20 September 2013 I was just answering in the same vein as your posts. How difficult is it to understand: 'That is one thing I do thank Pearson for, although , he gave me back my pride in my club after we'd reached ourr lowest point ever.' Nothing like giving him a bit of credit! Do you even remember how much of a mess we were in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 Me too .... but as someone that has criticised NP I'm conveniently pigeon holed as a "Hater" .... Fact is, I don't warm to him much as a bloke, but he seems to have done alot of work on his weaknesses over the summer ..... And he appears to have learnt some lessons from last season. That's great and is good news ..... I recognise that and welcome it, and am happy to change my mind as it continues. But the closed minded Lovers will gloat and see that pragmatism and flexibility as proof that they were always right and will gloat ... that's what i find irritating. That's the irony of it all I guess. I just fall on the side of the Lovers where as you just fall on the side of the haters. The truth of it all is we're standing right by the fence that divides the two discussing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 But the closed minded Lovers will gloat and see that pragmatism and flexibility as proof that they were always right and will gloat ... that's what i find irritating. So you're claiming the people who said we should stick by Pearson because he's a good manager weren't right then? Surely our good start to the season has vindicated their opinion that we should stick by the manager, despite the poor run at the end of last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluearmy 316 Posted 20 September 2013 Author Share Posted 20 September 2013 Ferguson needed time to build wenger has won anything in years Brandon Rodgers has been given time to build are they bad managers because they didn't achieve overnight success moyes has never won a thing? What's the difference with Nigel Pearson can't some fans see the bigger picture and some don't. We are building for the now and the future it takes time look at Swansea and Cardiff who are around the same size of club to us. We are in great hands with Nigel he's a young manager and has and will make mistakes but he has shown he learns from mistakes. I believe there is nobody better who we could realistically get to take our club forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 No I didn't I said 'although I think almost any manager could have got that team promoted'. I was talking about the Leicester City team he was in charge of not some other team. Pearson put that team together, he only took Oakley, Fryatt and Howard who were regulars the year before. Morrison, Hobbs, Dyer, Berner, Powell, Gilbert, Tunchev were all his own signings, King was a youth player given a permanent position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 Unless you don't slag him off - and then you're criticised for not being visible when things are going well ...... There's only one acceptable position as an LCFC fan on FT - and that's love NP, even if you don't!! Or pretend he's awful and disregard any positives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 So you're claiming the people who said we should stick by Pearson because he's a good manager weren't right then? Surely our good start to the season has vindicated their opinion that we should stick by the manager, despite the poor run at the end of last season? They seem to CURRENTLY be right. Just as those that criticised him were absolutely right to do so during one of the worst runs in the club's history. What they don't seem to understand though is that the gloating of being right sets them up for a fall ..... Or pretend he's awful and disregard any positives I state my opinion, positive or negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 Ferguson needed time to build wenger has won anything in years Brandon Rodgers has been given time to build are they bad managers because they didn't achieve overnight success moyes has never won a thing? What's the difference with Nigel Pearson can't some fans see the bigger picture and some don't. We are building for the now and the future it takes time look at Swansea and Cardiff who are around the same size of club to us. We are in great hands with Nigel he's a young manager and has and will make mistakes but he has shown he learns from mistakes. I believe there is nobody better who we could realistically get to take our club forward The bigger picture is that he'd had quite alot of time and didn't seem to be getting anywhere, and that he's not that young ........ Both those arguments are used as black and white, he's young, he's had no time ...... He's actually reasonably experienced and has had a decent amount of time ...... Fortunately, right now it seems that he's getting it mostly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 I was just answering in the same vein as your posts. How difficult is it to understand: 'That is one thing I do thank Pearson for, although I think almost any manager could have got that team promoted, he gave me back my pride in my club after we'd reached ourr lowest point ever.' Yes but the highlighted statement is incorrect, how hard is that to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluearmy 316 Posted 20 September 2013 Author Share Posted 20 September 2013 How's getting in the play off twice not getting anywhere? Plus cut the wage bill massively imagine what he could have done with the money Sven had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluearmy 316 Posted 20 September 2013 Author Share Posted 20 September 2013 And he's only 50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 20 September 2013 Share Posted 20 September 2013 And he's only 50 Since when is 50 young??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluearmy 316 Posted 20 September 2013 Author Share Posted 20 September 2013 It is my eyes that's young could have another 15 years in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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