cityfanlee23 Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 In reality apart from QPR who have the squad to do it I think the other automatic place is up for grabs. Mcclaren is a good coach and Derby have a great setup I fear them more than Burnley A couple of decent loan signings in Jan (a winger and an attacker) and I'll be happy We shouldn't fear anyone in the league, if we hit a good run of form again we can beat anyone Like Mclaren a lot, and for that reason I hope he does well at derby, not for derby but just for him, clough built a good platform and Mclaren has got the team playing, derby will go up this year imo
m4DD0gg Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 Yes I can see what the table looks like...before you little bitches pipe up. And NO I'm not just talking about just the past two games. Ditto the above. I'm taking about the season so far, through my own eyes, traveling home & away. Do we look like a promotion winning side?? With the exception of a few small improvements over last season, the answer is a fat firm AnotherShitSeason NO. Major concerns all over the park for this cat. Jesus there really are some depressive folk on this site. We are by far one of the strongest teams in this league who have a shrewd manager more than capable of adding to a talented squad in January funds permitting. Our home form is some of the best not just in this league but in European football as a whole. Yes the championship is a nightmare to get out of but there is no way Burnley will keep up their form. To be fair i think QPR will win the league and we will come 2nd. Yes I can see what the table looks like...before you little bitches pipe up. And NO I'm not just talking about just the past two games. Ditto the above. I'm taking about the season so far, through my own eyes, traveling home & away. Do we look like a promotion winning side?? With the exception of a few small improvements over last season, the answer is a fat firm AnotherShitSeason NO. Major concerns all over the park for this cat. Jesus there really are some depressive folk on this site. We are by far one of the strongest teams in this league who have a shrewd manager more than capable of adding to a talented squad in January funds permitting. Our home form is some of the best not just in this league but in European football as a whole. Yes the championship is a nightmare to get out of but there is no way Burnley will keep up there form. To be fair i think QPR will win the league and we will come 2nd.
Happy Fox Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 Jesus there really are some depressive folk on this site. We are by far one of the strongest teams in this league who have a shrewd manager more than capable of adding to a talented squad in January funds permitting. Our home form is some of the best not just in this league but in European football as a whole. Yes the championship is a nightmare to get out of but there is no way Burnley will keep up their form. To be fair i think QPR will win the league and we will come 2nd. Jesus there really are some depressive folk on this site. We are by far one of the strongest teams in this league who have a shrewd manager more than capable of adding to a talented squad in January funds permitting. Our home form is some of the best not just in this league but in European football as a whole. Yes the championship is a nightmare to get out of but there is no way Burnley will keep up there form. To be fair i think QPR will win the league and we will come 2nd. Depends if they can keep Ings in January, but even if he leaves they will buy a forward they have more depth in the wings that we do: Treacy, Stanislas, Wallace and Kightly.
Babylon Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 I very much hope Burnley keep up their current form.
Thracian Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 So, just to get this right. Before Saturdays game, we did look like a promotion winning side, now we don't? The question was "do we look like a promotion winning side", not "are we in the promotion spots", "how are we playing" or "can we win promotion", all of which would offer up different answers, and change on different variables. To answer the question, you have to look at how we are playing (not just the last game), how other teams are playing, where we are in the league etc. Quite clearly it does make a difference whether it's 10 points difference or 1 points difference when answering the specific question. If it was 10 points difference, we'd now be 10th and my answer would be no clearly we don't look like a promotion winning side. It's not though, it's 1 points difference, and the top three are changing spots regularly. So, just to get this right. Before Saturdays game, we did look like a promotion winning side, now we don't? The question was "do we look like a promotion winning side", not "are we in the promotion spots", "how are we playing" or "can we win promotion", all of which would offer up different answers, and change on different variables. To answer the question, you have to look at how we are playing (not just the last game), how other teams are playing, where we are in the league etc. Quite clearly it does make a difference whether it's 10 points difference or 1 points difference when answering the specific question. If it was 10 points difference, we'd now be 10th and my answer would be no clearly we don't look like a promotion winning side. It's not though, it's 1 points difference, and the top three are changing spots regularly. In which case the answer's easy. We don't and rarely have. Nor do we even play to our full potential for more than short periods. We got to the top of the league without playing especially well for most of the time. But last season suggested that the winter part of the season would be the test and so far we seem to be failing it as readily as we did previously and for much the same reasons. You overlook that if you like but I'll be amazed if we climb any higher than our current third and sincerely believe the play-offs is the very best we can hope for with our current philosophies.
surrifox Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 we have already lost 5 games out of 19 which, without the benefit of easy access to past season stats. feels like quite a lot for an automatic promotion candidate (same as Derby I suppose who are on a run but probably a lot of these preceded the arrival of Schteeve)
Babylon Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 we have already lost 5 games out of 19 which, without the benefit of easy access to past season stats. feels like quite a lot for an automatic promotion candidate (same as Derby I suppose who are on a run but probably a lot of these preceded the arrival of Schteeve) Hull lost 15 last year.
Babylon Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 In which case the answer's easy. We don't and rarely have. Nor do we even play to our full potential for more than short periods. We got to the top of the league without playing especially well for most of the time. But last season suggested that the winter part of the season would be the test and so far we seem to be failing it as readily as we did previously and for much the same reasons. You overlook that if you like but I'll be amazed if we climb any higher than our current third and sincerely believe the play-offs is the very best we can hope for with our current philosophies. Again (broken record time), the bold part can be said of any of the top three. You lambast us, yet Burnley are actually in worse form than we are points wise over the last 6 games and QPR aren't pulling up trees. I'm not overlooking anything, but you seem to be overlooking the fact the other teams at the top are in the same boat, and those below us have been much worse. As I keep saying, you don't have to be brilliant and faultless to get out of this league. Just better than the others, currently the top three have been by some distance. Will that continue, I don't have clue I'm basing that we "look like a promotion winning side" on what I have actually seen so far of us AND other teams.
WardyisPukka Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 sorry but 4-3-3 is the worst formation our side can play! no cover for either fullbacks was crystal clear in the first half on saturday
Socks Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 No, I don't think so.... unsure if we let other teams catch us over Xmas/new year then we will be 5th or 6th come January A lot of ppl are saying "yes cos we look good" but we all know its results that count we can play like Real Madrid all season but when we lose to 2-1 to Donnie then that amounts to sh!t
Babylon Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 No, I don't think so.... unsure if we let other teams catch us over Xmas/new year then we will be 5th or 6th come January A lot of ppl are saying "yes cos we look good" but we all know its results that count we can play like Real Madrid all season but when we lose to 2-1 to Donnie then that amounts to sh!t You seem to be basing it on what might happen, rather than what has happened?
Socks Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 You seem to be basing it on what might happen, rather than what has happened? was a bit of both I think, IF we let teams catch (might) and losing 2-1 donnie or Forest (has) i dont think anyone but QPR look like a promotion winning side tbh we need to grind out results in the Championship over a period of time before anyone can guess, battering someone 3-0 away from home dont mean that we are......
Socks Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 we need to go back to the 2-1 wins again and grind it out! but that seemsto have gone we just are just trying to batter teams instead of going for the result, thats what i think anyway
hackneyfox Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 We didn't look as if we were attempting to batter Brighton on Saturday.
XLM Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 When we're playing as well as we can we look better than any team in this division.
Ric Flair Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 Our problems lie in the fact that even when we're bossing games, we are very vulnerable on the counter attack. We are ourselves devastating at counter attacking but for whatever reason we are open to the same dangers. Is it purely a weakness in defence or is it our midfield as well? I though for the first 10-15 minutes we were exceptional with the ball vs Brighton but without carving them open. It was the same vs Forest a few weeks back, they score against the run of play and then we're in disarray. I know Forest scored both goals from set pieces and Brighton's were on the counter but we seem soft at the back. I wasn't thrilled with us trying to match Brighton in set-up as we have been very effective with Dyer and Knockaert in the side and it showed as for all the passing and movement we had in midfield, we didn't cause many problems which Brighton showed how to do it with 2 quick openings that destroyed us and there were plenty of other near misses in that first half. It's back to what we do best for me this week, we have to go back to 4-4-2 vs Burnley and i'm confident we'll beat them. As for our long term plan in defence i'm not sure, we aren't strong at all.
Socks Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 on the counter you cant just blame the defence, the midfield need to get back sharpish too, pressurise, etc.....
sphericalfox Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 Anyone certainly using Derby's last game as a benchmark of an unstoppable beast, need reassess themselves. i knew Derby would railroad Blackpool, when midweek they lost 3 players to red cards. Even the teams down the bottom would have fancied their chances. Well done to them for giving them a pounding and with luck Blackpool imploding and having another 2 sent off, this has boosted Derby's goal difference to all those chasing promotion's dismay, but Derby have every chance to fall apart come the end of the season as Burnley do, as a couple of injuries or suspensions and they don't have the squad to replace (that is unless both teams dip in their pockets and bring in decent squad players or good loanees come Jan). We have our own fate in our hands. Pearson's interview after this weekend's match suggested that he blamed individuals for complacency and lack of desire. This worries me, as previously when our momentum came crashing down, it was tiredness, lack of depth, and the weight of expectation. I'm not sure, but the next three games are crucial, and I'm including the Man City match. If our players whose contracts are up for grabs, this is the line I would draw of successfully achieving one coming hot off the printer.
hackneyfox Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 Currently Schmeichel, Morgan & Nugent are doing very little to warrant a new contract.
Happy Fox Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 Anyone certainly using Derby's last game as a benchmark of an unstoppable beast, need reassess themselves. i knew Derby would railroad Blackpool, when midweek they lost 3 players to red cards. Even the teams down the bottom would have fancied their chances. Well done to them for giving them a pounding and with luck Blackpool imploding and having another 2 sent off, this has boosted Derby's goal difference to all those chasing promotion's dismay, but Derby have every chance to fall apart come the end of the season as Burnley do, as a couple of injuries or suspensions and they don't have the squad to replace (that is unless both teams dip in their pockets and bring in decent squad players or good loanees come Jan). We have our own fate in our hands. Pearson's interview after this weekend's match suggested that he blamed individuals for complacency and lack of desire. This worries me, as previously when our momentum came crashing down, it was tiredness, lack of depth, and the weight of expectation. I'm not sure, but the next three games are crucial, and I'm including the Man City match. If our players whose contracts are up for grabs, this is the line I would draw of successfully achieving one coming hot off the printer. If the contract situations are playing on their minds the likes of Wes then the fookers should leave, fighting for promotion should be the key. Then the players can earn their contract.
suffolk fox Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 In which case the answer's easy. We don't and rarely have. Nor do we even play to our full potential for more than short periods. We got to the top of the league without playing especially well for most of the time. But last season suggested that the winter part of the season would be the test and so far we seem to be failing it as readily as we did previously and for much the same reasons. You overlook that if you like but I'll be amazed if we climb any higher than our current third and sincerely believe the play-offs is the very best we can hope for with our current philosophies. Great logical post again by Thrac I agree, sir, everyword.
Dan Posted 9 December 2013 Posted 9 December 2013 I very much hope Burnley keep up their current form. I like it
Babylon Posted 1 January 2014 Posted 1 January 2014 Serious question, anyone changing their minds yet?
Larry_LCFC Posted 1 January 2014 Posted 1 January 2014 We are going up. I'm putting my balls on the line. 100% confident
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