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jamesmilner

Dj a match fixer ?

By jamesmilner, in Leicester City Forum

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Manwell Pablo

Manwell Pablo

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The problem is not from making the laws but in dealing with those who chose to break them.

 

I think you'll find some of the countries with the highest penalties for drug trafficking have the highest rates of drug trafficking.

 

You'll never stop something by making it illegal, show me a crime with no convictions in any calendar year, and in the case of something like gambling which has been legal in every westernized country for some time you'll get more trouble by banning it than you would controlling it. The knock on effect would increase rates of violent crime in relation to underground gambling not to mention give gangs currently running illegal activity's another revenue stream. It'd also be twice as hard to pinpoint cheats within sport as the money wouldn't be getting channeled through registered company's it'd be getting laundered. 

 

Not to mention you'd piss off half the population who enjoy an innocent flutter on a Saturday afternoon on the football, the country's turned into enough of a nanny state as it is without taking drastic steps like banning gambling in what would ultimately at best achieve nothing and at worse make the problem twice as bad. 

yorkie1999

yorkie1999

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D J Campbell has released a statement following his arrest for match fixing - 

 

"I am 100% innocent and hope to be available for blackburns upcoming 2-2 draw this saturday"

Ha Ha

itsaknockeart

itsaknockeart

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The 'spot' betting element in this story is being overplayed. Of course you can bet on things like cards, corners, offsides etc but the chances of getting big money on such a bet anywhere in the world is slim to non-existent. The real value of knowing that a player is going to get red carded or perform badly would be in the match odds market where all the money is.

 

For example, if you had information that player x was going to to try his best to get sent off early in a game (or even just perform poorly) you would be making a good bet wagering against his team. Either you could trade out your position once he was sent-off or let your bet ride knowing you had bet at highly advantageous odds. There are 20+ other players out there who you have no control over so you wouldn't win every bet but over the course of a season it would be a significant edge.

Thracian

Thracian

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I think you'll find some of the countries with the highest penalties for drug trafficking have the highest rates of drug trafficking.

 

You'll never stop something by making it illegal, show me a crime with no convictions in any calendar year, and in the case of something like gambling which has been legal in every westernized country for some time you'll get more trouble by banning it than you would controlling it. The knock on effect would increase rates of violent crime in relation to underground gambling not to mention give gangs currently running illegal activity's another revenue stream. It'd also be twice as hard to pinpoint cheats within sport as the money wouldn't be getting channeled through registered company's it'd be getting laundered. 

 

Not to mention you'd piss off half the population who enjoy an innocent flutter on a Saturday afternoon on the football, the country's turned into enough of a nanny state as it is without taking drastic steps like banning gambling in what would ultimately at best achieve nothing and at worse make the problem twice as bad. 

That's a thoughtful argument Manwell but there's no mention of how you would stop it.

I know of a convicted burglar who's been charged with committing a further offence while out on parole. Guilty or innocent I don't believe he'd have been arrested at all if he hadn't been parolled.

Times that by the number of others who've been similarly arrested and you account for a lot of police man hours that could have been spent chasing other offenders who hadn't been released on parole.

There's also the fact that while far too many people have already got criminal records in this country - we keep admitting still more. How can that be justified if it inevitably makes the problem worse?

I agree that banning things doesn't eradicate the problem in itself but it might be much more effective if enforcement were better supported because, clearly, making things legal doesn't work either.

Regarding the argument about punishments i found this article as interesting as any. It wouldn't be my approach but it does provide food for thought.

 

http://www.corrections.com/news/article/28290-why-judicial-corporal-punishment-is-better-than-incarceration

Dan

Dan

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Ridiculous. FFP won't save football in this country. The only thing that'll save it is a genuine change in attitudes and this pathetic short-termism so many seem to have. Until we get over that we'll go round in bumpy circles.

Manwell Pablo

Manwell Pablo

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That's a thoughtful argument Manwell but there's no mention of how you would stop it.

I know of a convicted burglar who's been charged with committing a further offence while out on parole. Guilty or innocent I don't believe he'd have been arrested at all if he hadn't been parolled.

Times that by the number of others who've been similarly arrested and you account for a lot of police man hours that could have been spent chasing other offenders who hadn't been released on parole.

There's also the fact that while far too many people have already got criminal records in this country - we keep admitting still more. How can that be justified if it inevitably makes the problem worse?

I agree that banning things doesn't eradicate the problem in itself but it might be much more effective if enforcement were better supported because, clearly, making things legal doesn't work either.

Regarding the argument about punishments i found this article as interesting as any. It wouldn't be my approach but it does provide food for thought.

 

http://www.corrections.com/news/article/28290-why-judicial-corporal-punishment-is-better-than-incarceration

 

You never will stop it, at the end of the day there are people abroad who go out and break laws that result in them being maimed or even put to death in some cases yet they still do it out belief that they wont be caught/mental illness/desperation etc. People often saw Rules are there to be broken in jest but it is quite true, show me a rule that has never been broken no matter how dire the consequences. 

 

I struggle to see your point with the parole thing obviously he wouldn't of committed the offense as he'd still be banged up if he wasn't paroled, and I do think the parole system in this country does need to be looked and made stricter but when all is said and done when someone has served their time they've served their time and parole is a good way of practically finding out which criminals aren't rehabilitated and will re-offend, something you can' tell while they're still banged up.

 

The article you've posted seems to lack any proper evidence for any of the "facts" it claims and as this isn't really a subject I'd usually discuss in depth and I really can't be bothered to break that habit at this moment in time I should imagine anyone with strong opinions against corporal punishment would tear it to shreds. 

yorkie1999

yorkie1999

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The best way to eradicate fixing in sport is that whoever gets caught has CHEATING CVNT tattooed on their forehead. Same as people who get caught nicking stuff, They should have THIEVING CVNT tattooed on theirs.

Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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Anyone think all the players should wear "kick match fixing out of football' shirts this weekend?

Vlad the Fox

Vlad the Fox

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There was one game towards the end of the relegation season where he missed chance after chance. I can't remember who we were playing but we hammered them yet lost, I think amongst all his chances he managed to miss 3 or 4 one on ones. I put it down to him being shit at the time but it makes you wonder, there was one that he just rolled inexplicably wide of the left post.

VLC86

VLC86

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The best way to eradicate fixing in sport is that whoever gets caught has CHEATING CVNT tattooed on their forehead. Same as people who get caught nicking stuff, They should have THIEVING CVNT tattooed on theirs.

Would this be a deterrent for DJ? He probably already had plans to have these tattoos

Captain...

Captain...

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If guilty and convicted I'm looking forward to the thought of "just how hard he is in Nick" or maybe the other way round?

 

How hard Nick is in him? :blink:

ruisliptiger

ruisliptiger

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DJ is a massive Cvnt and this suprises me very little. The lad has proved many times that he has no integrity.

 

In short he is a self absorbed throbbing length.

JmorsonLCFC

JmorsonLCFC

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On the face of it yes but as indierich pointed out it'd only corrupt it further.

Was Campbell playing for us in the season we went down? I can't remember but if so....

laughable if you're putting our relegation down to campbell

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