Does schlupp deserve a chance?

[Oxfordfox83]

I'd love Jeff to do well, but plenty of strikers have started on the wing, particularly quick ones. I'm not sure he'll ever be a centre forward, he's certainly not yet, so I think wing has to be the way he goes, and it is the best for the team currently.

Long term, I'd still prefer him to become a top class left back, which I think he has in him. But we (fans, as well as club) have to expect some mistakes while he learns his trade. I'm not sure some on here could cope with any kind of shortcoming, but he's definitely got a load of potential. It's a shame we can't accept that means 'not perfect yet'.

[Dan]

He appears to have become a victim of his own versatility in that he doesn't have a definitive position in which he's flourished, and I'm not anywhere near convinced enough by his natural instinct to finish to warrant playing him ahead of Nugent, who admittedly has been bobbins for some time bar the odd game here or there.

 

In an ideal world we'd farm him out to a League One club and see how the boy gets on playing up top consistently.

 

Basically this although you can bet any money Konchesky would go and get a three game ban next game.

 

I'm a bit baffled by Bakayogo. Seems to have been completely frozen out.

[Father Ted]

I'm sure that if Schlupp was given 42 consecutive games like Nugent then he'd score a hell of a lot more than 6 goals from open play. 

 

He was given a half decent run towards the end of last season. He came on at Derby, scored and was our best player. Then came on at Barnsley and was our best player again (not hard that day but still looked like he could have made the difference and was unlucky not to score). He was then rewarded with a start at Brighton as a lone striker where he played well. Started at home to Birmingham and scored, scored the winner against Bolton. Bare in mind he hadn't put a foot wrong in any of these games, starts away at Palace, was quite quiet, subbed off early and Nugent was back in again and it remained like that. 

 

Give him a bloody run alongside Vardy for 10 or so games and that's when we can really judge Schlupp. He certainly has the potential, he has pace, power. He's not too bad in the air and he's good at turning defenders. His work rate isn't too bad either. Between him and Vardy, they will create 3/4 chances alone for themselves purely through their hard work and pace. 

[FuriousFox46]

I just don't know what position he should be playing.

I've only been impressed with him twice - Bolton at home last season and Watford away this year.

I think he'd be better off elsewhere, if I'm honest

[suffolk fox]

No he is rubbish as a forward okay at left back

[foxfanazer]

No

[foxfanazer]

He just hasn't staked his claim on any position yet for me. Become too much of a utility man

[Guest Col city fan]

I think I must be one of the rare people that thinks Jeff Schlupp has BAGS of potential. He has all the attributes to be a top striker..... he's fast, he's strong and is a natural athlete.

Any striker finds it difficult to be introduced after 60/70 mins and have a big impact on a game. They arent usually tuned-in sufficiently and tend to snatch at chances.

Big Heskey was given faith and time by MON. He too was not a prolific finisher, scoring great goals but missing chances too in equal measure. But MON developed him so well that he became the focus of the attack and was used to great effect. Basically, his strengths were played to.

Im not saying that Schlupp is as good as Heskey, but the latter was given a real chance, whereas the former has only been given a bit part role.

Pearson needs to let Schlupp go if he's not going to play him enough. The boy is stagnating and would develop better in a side where he is a regular.

I have a feeling that Jeff is a confidence player and you can't improve your confidence when you are even further down the pecking order than a player like GTF who is well past his best.

I have a feeling that Schlupp may well be yet another player who moves on and shines at another club. I think he's better than most think or, at least has the potential to be.

[Stadt]

He'd make a good left winger. But with Dyer in the form of his life it's hard to drop him.

Schlupp is much better technically than Lloyd.

I don't think he is any better Lloyd technically, he has a poor first touch and he isn't a great crosser.

[Father Ted]

I think I must be one of the rare people that thinks Jeff Schlupp has BAGS of potential. He has all the attributes to be a top striker..... he's fast, he's strong and is a natural athlete.

Any striker finds it difficult to be introduced after 60/70 mins and have a big impact on a game. They arent usually tuned-in sufficiently and tend to snatch at chances.

Big Heskey was given faith and time by MON. He too was not a prolific finisher, scoring great goals but missing chances too in equal measure. But MON developed him so well that he became the focus of the attack and was used to great effect. Basically, his strengths were played to.

Im not saying that Schlupp is as good as Heskey, but the latter was given a real chance, whereas the former has only been given a bit part role.

Pearson needs to let Schlupp go if he's not going to play him enough. The boy is stagnating and would develop better in a side where he is a regular.

I have a feeling that Jeff is a confidence player and you can't improve your confidence when you are even further down the pecking order than a player like GTF who is well past his best.

I have a feeling that Schlupp may well be yet another player who moves on and shines at another club. I think he's better than most think or, at least has the potential to be.

Totally agree with you Col. 

[LCFC FOX]

I would play him LW when Dyer has a bad game. Maybe bringing Dyer on for Schlupp in the 70th minute would actually make an impact

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

He is only young still, and has plenty of time to develop. However, someone should sort out what position is best for him, and stop messing him about.

 

Give him time, or we could lose a potential gem.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Jeff Schlupp - head down, has no vision and awareness - no football brain - and you can't teach that.

 

on the plus side, has all the necessary physical attributes which is what got him a trial at Man U

[foxfanazer]

Jeff Schlupp - head down, has no vision and awareness - no football brain - and you can't teach that.

on the plus side, has all the necessary physical attributes which is what got him a trial at Man U

I'd have to agree with that assessment unfortunately. Great athlete but at this level or higher its not enough

[Thracian]

But in a league as punishing and unforgiving as the Championship, where every single point matters, how can you justify putting player development ahead of getting results? Especially if one comes at the cost of the other?

 

Football has changed now, a few bad results on the spin and you're out. What incentive does a manager have to stick with a young player and try to develop him, when he knows that he could be out on his ear within a month if he doesn't get results? This attitude has infected the fans now too. One bad game from Leicester? They're shit. One howler from a player? Bin him off.

 

A manager's job is now to get results and get points on the board, and the money-men running the show have very little patience.

 

Yes, you make a good point and it's one of the big reasons why the national game is in such a mess.

But it's deeper than that.

 

Southampton develop their players and it's been their saviour financially. Look where they are now - a lot higher than City and I can't see that changing for a while cos they've more coming through.

 

Why? Because if you get two quality youngsters coming through an Academy it begets even more until,  in the end and given the benefit of continuity and capable coaches, you get a club metaphorically full of good young players. The sort of young players Alan Hansen insisted "could never win a title" but did, and so many more honours.  

 

And who's putting player development ahead of getting results?   

 

How I ask you is Pearson going to win promotion if Nugent continues to play as he is doing at the moment? 

Or are you suggesting Schlupp or Vardy couldn't take penalties?

 

Or, given that I'd like the basically competent Nugent to hit his best form again, are you saying the prolific Gary Taylor Fetcher is the answer to our prayers the same as Howard or Horsfield was supposed to be in the past? 

 

Cos I know for sure where my faith would lie and I dont see why it should be at the expense of results.

 

Fans have never been fair. Any new signing is a star to begin with. Morgan's long been able to do no wrong however he plays cos he's a big whole-hearted beast. Even Zak Whitbread was proclaimed a good player by some yet I don't think I saw him play well once.  

 

The risk of using youngsters is over-stated especially ones like Schlupp who are relatively expeerienced, faster and stronger than some and more skillful than most.

 

Moore and Schlupp have a bad game and get dropped but we both know it would never happen with DeLaet, Morgan or Nugent for all that we've won nothing with any of them as yet.

 

So where does leave your argument about costing results? 

 

It's obvious to me that we need more from  our side. We need to regain our solidarity at the back and to score more goals from more places in the team because we're relying on too few and the pressure is telling on them.  

 

For all that he was partly at fault for their goal I thought we were defensively better against Burnley for having Moore back.

 

And I'm quite sure that having Schlupp in the right frame of mind would make us more dangerous up front because we really didn't create much in the way of genuine chances for all the huffing and puffing of the likes of Knockaert.

 

In fact I'd make this bold statement. Give Knockaert's role to Schlupp and there'd be more end product.

Knockaert's an entertainer and in a footballing circus I'm sure he'd be brilliant to watch.

 

But barring his magical moments, he's unreadable. No-one on his own side has any idea what he's going to do or whether or not they'll receive the ball.     

 

Schlupp's the opposite. He's still got stacks of speed and skill but he'll spot a pass, see a run, have a go himself and Knockaert doesn't do enough of that.   

   

Four goals and two assists isn't enough at this stage of the season for a free-roaming attacker like Knockaert and I honestly believe Schlupp would have more given the same opportunity as well as being an infinitely better defender and much stronger on the ball.   

 

Knockaert is a better bet off the bench when he can use his energy against tired legs. 

[Iwan is a Welshman]

This is an odd poll. Has anyone seen how far off the mark he's looked when he's come on?

 

Not strong enough defensively to be a left back at this level, not clinical enough to be a forward. He'll need to be on his way before long in my opinion.

[Guest Col city fan]

Yes, you make a good point and it's one of the big reasons why the national game is in such a mess.

But it's deeper than that.

Southampton develop their players and it's been their saviour financially. Look where they are now - a lot higher than City and I can't see that changing for a while cos they've more coming through.

Why? Because if you get two quality youngsters coming through an Academy it begets even more until, in the end and given the benefit of continuity and capable coaches, you get a club metaphorically full of good young players. The sort of young players Alan Hansen insisted "could never win a title" but did, and so many more honours.

And who's putting player development ahead of getting results?

How I ask you is Pearson going to win promotion if Nugent continues to play as he is doing at the moment?

Or are you suggesting Schlupp or Vardy couldn't take penalties?

Or, given that I'd like the basically competent Nugent to hit his best form again, are you saying the prolific Gary Taylor Fetcher the answer to our prayers the same as Howard or Horsfield was supposed to be in the past?

Cos I know for sure where my faith would lie and I dont see why it should be at the expense of results.

Fans have never been fair. Any new signing is a star to begin with. Morgan's long been able to do no wrong however he plays cos he's a big whole-hearted beast. Even Zak Whitbread was proclaimed a good player by some yet I don't think I saw him play well once.

The risk of using youngsters is over-stated especially ones like Schlupp who are relatively expeerienced, faster than most, stronger than many and more skillful than a lot

Moore and Schlupp have a bad game and get dropped but we both know it would never happen with DeLaet, Morgan or Nugent for all that we've won nothing with any of them as yet.

So where does leave your argument about costing results?

It's obvious to me that we need more from our side. We need to regain our solidarity at the back and to score more goals from more places in the team because we're relying on too few and the pressure is telling on them.

For all that he was partly at fault for their goal I though we were defensively better against Burnley for having Moore back. And I'm quite sure that having Schlupp in the right frame of mind would make us more dangerous up front because we really didn't create much in the way of genuine chances for all the huffing and puffing of the like of Knockaert.

In fact I'd make this bold statment. Give Knockaert's role to Schlupp and there'd be more end product.

Knockaert's an entertainer and in a circus I'm sure he'd be brilliant to watch.

But barring his magical moments, he's unreadable. No-one on his own side has any idea what he's going to do or whether or not they'll receive the ball.

Schlupp's the opposite. He's still got stacks of speed and skill but he'll spot a pass, see a run, have a go himself and Knockaert doesn't do enough of that.

Four goals and two assists isn't enough at this stage of the season for a free-roaming attacker and I honestly believe Schlupp would have more given the same opportunity as well as being an infinitely better defender and much stronger on the ball.

Knockaert is a better bet off the bench when he can use his energy against tired legs.

The best post I've read in ages...although I'd personally have BOTH in the team.

I particularly agree with the comment about how the younger lads are dropped after a single poor game whilst Nugent, for example, seems untouchable.

[Thracian]

The best post I've read in ages...although I'd personally have BOTH in the team.

I particularly agree with the comment about how the younger lads are dropped after a single poor game whilst Nugent, for example, seems untouchable.

 

 

Haha, I'd be happy enough but am not sure Pearson could ever be that adventurous.

[Grewks]

He does have moments where he looks quality, but is far too inconsistent to be in a side trying to get to the premier league. But then so are vardy and nugent in my eyes.

 

 

The two best striker performances have actually come from Wood and Schlupp this season, in my eyes anyway. The first 20 mins against forest until they scored Schlupp tore them a new one. Took balls down, won balls in the air, took on players etc. Whereas wood was just sensational against Fulham, had the beating of their back 4 for the whole game, a performance i have rarely seen matched by any city striker.

 

 

Whether Jeff should be given a chance offers little relevance, the question should be can we afford to give him a chance?

 

With reports linking us with SEB and Fryatt, and comments from the gaffer it is clear that we are trying to sign at least 1 more forward. So for me, that signals the end for Jeff as a striker at this club, at least at present.

[deep blue]

To say that Schlupp "has no vision and awareness" is way off the mark.  When he gets possession at full back he often passes immediately,and accurately.  He must have had his head well up BEFORE the ball reaches him to be aware what's going on around him, which is a sign of quality.  He puts Konch to shame.

 

I'm inclined to agree with Col and Thrac that he needs to be given a run.  At the very least, I can't see how he could miss opportunities at the rate that Nuge has been doing this season.

[Soar Fox]

To say that Schlupp "has no vision and awareness" is way off the mark. When he gets possession at full back he often passes immediately,and accurately. He must have had his head well up BEFORE the ball reaches him to be aware what's going on around him, which is a sign of quality. He puts Konch to shame.

I'm inclined to agree with Col and Thrac that he needs to be given a run. At the very least, I can't see how he could miss opportunities at the rate that Nuge has been doing this season.

He passes it immediately because it's like he's got a bomb at his feet. He doesn't put Konchesky to shame at all, every time I see him playing full back you'll see that teams start playing on him as they identify he's the weak link. If it wasn't for poor finishing by Watford 2 goals would have been conceded coming from down his side.

[The Doctor]

Sorry, Thracian - ever the moaner about us playing dull football - is advocating dropping arguably the most creative and exciting player in the entire division, let alone our side, for little more than a steady work-horse...  :xmasunsure:

[Guest MattP]

Spot on doctor.

Thrac, I agree with 90% of what you say but you can't be serious in saying Schulpp would deliver what Knocky does. The difference in quality between the two is massive.

good point as well about other teams, within 30 mins the opposition seems to have noticed who the weak link is when he is dropped into left back.

[Dickov22]

Yes, you make a good point and it's one of the big reasons why the national game is in such a mess.

But it's deeper than that.

Southampton develop their players and it's been their saviour financially. Look where they are now - a lot higher than City and I can't see that changing for a while cos they've more coming through.

Why? Because if you get two quality youngsters coming through an Academy it begets even more until, in the end and given the benefit of continuity and capable coaches, you get a club metaphorically full of good young players. The sort of young players Alan Hansen insisted "could never win a title" but did, and so many more honours.

And who's putting player development ahead of getting results?

How I ask you is Pearson going to win promotion if Nugent continues to play as he is doing at the moment?

Or are you suggesting Schlupp or Vardy couldn't take penalties?

Or, given that I'd like the basically competent Nugent to hit his best form again, are you saying the prolific Gary Taylor Fetcher is the answer to our prayers the same as Howard or Horsfield was supposed to be in the past?

Cos I know for sure where my faith would lie and I dont see why it should be at the expense of results.

Fans have never been fair. Any new signing is a star to begin with. Morgan's long been able to do no wrong however he plays cos he's a big whole-hearted beast. Even Zak Whitbread was proclaimed a good player by some yet I don't think I saw him play well once.

The risk of using youngsters is over-stated especially ones like Schlupp who are relatively expeerienced, faster and stronger than some and more skillful than most.

Moore and Schlupp have a bad game and get dropped but we both know it would never happen with DeLaet, Morgan or Nugent for all that we've won nothing with any of them as yet.

So where does leave your argument about costing results?

It's obvious to me that we need more from our side. We need to regain our solidarity at the back and to score more goals from more places in the team because we're relying on too few and the pressure is telling on them.

For all that he was partly at fault for their goal I thought we were defensively better against Burnley for having Moore back.

And I'm quite sure that having Schlupp in the right frame of mind would make us more dangerous up front because we really didn't create much in the way of genuine chances for all the huffing and puffing of the likes of Knockaert.

In fact I'd make this bold statement. Give Knockaert's role to Schlupp and there'd be more end product.

Knockaert's an entertainer and in a footballing circus I'm sure he'd be brilliant to watch.

But barring his magical moments, he's unreadable. No-one on his own side has any idea what he's going to do or whether or not they'll receive the ball.

Schlupp's the opposite. He's still got stacks of speed and skill but he'll spot a pass, see a run, have a go himself and Knockaert doesn't do enough of that.

Four goals and two assists isn't enough at this stage of the season for a free-roaming attacker like Knockaert and I honestly believe Schlupp would have more given the same opportunity as well as being an infinitely better defender and much stronger on the ball.

Knockaert is a better bet off the bench when he can use his energy against tired legs.

What a ridiculous comment regarding Knockaert. There's no one else in this division like him. He's a fantastic player who is still learning. He's perhaps too much of a luxury away from home, but at home he's got to start every time. He makes things happen.

One of my favourite things about Knockaert is his attitude; even though he was having a stinker second half against Burnley, he never gave up. He still kept trying to take players on and create something. He's a real character.

[suffolk fox]

Jeff Schlupp - head down, has no vision and awareness - no football brain - and you can't teach that.

 

on the plus side, has all the necessary physical attributes which is what got him a trial at Man U

Spot on assessment.