Does schlupp deserve a chance?

[MattyFromLE]

Yeah, great finisher.

 

His first and only shot in the 7 minutes he had, at least he had the guts to shoot - the rest of the lads looks scared to do so. He was also around 25 yards out. The point I'm making, is that I don't think he is as bad as some are making out.

[Thracian]

He could play a number of roles well but needs the chance and encouragement to learn them. That, to me,  is what coaching's about. It's not just about organising interesting training sessions but seeing what's good and bad in people, bringing out the strengths and improving the weaknesses.

 

The biggest quality a coach can have is understanding the requirements of a job and the personalities of the people trying to do it. The second is to have the players trusting him and believing implicitly in what he is trying to tell them. The third is to have the rhetorical skills to make players believe they can fly.

 

Bill Shankly was the best I ever spoke with, just 100 per cent inspiring. I suspect Brian Clough could be the same. 

And that's what the likes of Schlupp needs - someone he can believe in and, more important, who demonstrates a belief in him.

 

On the surface, Schlupp's best position is central midfield where he his strength, skills, athleticism and speed of thought can be most regularly utilised.

 

Yet those qualities can be adapted easily enough by a wise man - but not without proper guidance and the time to build the confidence of experience and familiarity.

 

And there's one of our eternal failings. We don't offer time and patience. Players don't even take a short time out and then return noticably improved...as they forever do at places like Manchester United.

 

No, if Morgan or Nugent has an iffy game it's overlooked along with the next one and the one after that. If Moore or Schlupp falter they're out in no time and their confidence is likely to be shattered.

 

To me a coach should be ashamed if he feels he has to drop a young player he's watched for years and has seen to be "good enough" before he's had chance to settle into a side. Instead he should expect to see faults and know exactly what can be done to rectify them.         

 

If after six weeks or so the problems persist or need be specifically improved then take the player out, but with the spoken understanding that he will be back and he will succeed in the end.

 

Failure is a reflection of the manager/coach as much as the player and the sooner they take responsibility for that, the better.

 

It's not about "another chance". He's a potentially excellent player and we should set about proving it,

[indierich06]

His first and only shot in the 7 minutes he had, at least he had the guts to shoot - the rest of the lads looks scared to do so. He was also around 25 yards out. The point I'm making, is that I don't think he is as bad as some are making out.

 

And the point I'm making is that I don't think he's as good as a lot of others seem to think. I keep hearing a lot about 'bags of potential' and 'so much promise', but personally I've not seen anything that suggests that Schlupp could one day be anything more than an average Chmapionship player.

[Russell sprout]

He's a liability,when he's upfront we might aswell have 1 striker,and in defence wher he's better I worry he'll cost us a goal,never liked him and never will?

[bald reynard]

Schlupp deserves a chance - as a LEFT WINGER !  I can't believe that the City management don't see Jeff as a long term replacement for Dyer.  It's obviously his best position (attacking left sided) and yet he hardly ever plays there - always left back or central striker.

[Corky]

His trial at Man United has meant he's improved in quality to some fans without playing. He doesn't look a natural striker, defensively at left-back he's often found wanting, successor to Dyer is probably his best position.

[indierich06]

To me a coach should be ashamed if he feels he has to drop a young player he's watched for years and has seen to be "good enough" before he's had chance to settle into a side. Instead he should expect to see faults and know exactly what can be done to rectify them.         

 

If after six weeks or so the problems persist or need be specifically improved then take the player out, but with the spoken understanding that he will be back and he will succeed in the end.

 

But in a league as punishing and unforgiving as the Championship, where every single point matters, how can you justify putting player development ahead of getting results? Especially if one comes at the cost of the other?

 

Football has changed now, a few bad results on the spin and you're out. What incentive does a manager have to stick with a young player and try to develop him, when he knows that he could be out on his ear within a month if he doesn't get results? This attitude has infected the fans now too. One bad game from Leicester? They're shit. One howler from a player? Bin him off.

 

A manager's job is now to get results and get points on the board, and the money-men running the show have very little patience.

[Babylon]

Schlupp deserves a chance - as a LEFT WINGER !  I can't believe that the City management don't see Jeff as a long term replacement for Dyer.  It's obviously his best position (attacking left sided) and yet he hardly ever plays there - always left back or central striker.

I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with perhaps our player of the season currently playing left wing.

[Corky]

I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with perhaps our player of the season currently playing left wing.

 

Lloyd actually weaved in and out of players on Saturday for the first time ever since he joined the club I think

[Silverdaz]

He'd make a good left winger. But with Dyer in the form of his life it's hard to drop him.

Schlupp is much better technically than Lloyd.

I think NP might be trying to mould Schlupp into being Dyers replacement when his pace suddenly goes

[kingfox]

Isn't good enough as a striker.

 

The best I've seen of him, was at left-back, I think he's had some very solid games in that position, as a striker Schlupp had that little good spell after he scored against Derby if I record, but that's about it.

 

So no, can see us loaning him out next season.

[JonnyBoy]

No.

He has been absolutely dreadful every time I've seen him in the last two years apart from Bolton at home towards the end of last season.

Another classic case of giving a young player too much before he has achieved anything. His motivation appears to have gone.

 

 

spot on 

[Kitchandro]

He hasn't got the potential to be a striker. He has no instinct at all and doesn't seem to know the first thing about shooting, making runs, etc.

 

So no.

 

As a substitute for Dyer when he's run out of puff, or if he or Knocky go out of form, perhaps.

[JonnyBoy]

Neither are anything special technically but Dyer's product is actually far better than it looks. Dyer looks so clumsy, never in full control of the ball, but he's produced some excellent wing play this season - gets round the right back and chips it back into a decent position.

 

I can't get my head round our attacking situation at all. There's not a single partnership at the club that I think will get the best from both themselves as a pairing, or the whole team. We rely a lot on defending from the front - hence why Wood is never starting because his work rate/energy levels aren't close to the others.

 

If we can somehow get Wood's all-round game worked on, then we're giggling. He's the best finishing forward we have by a mile.

 

it sounds stupid to say we need a new striker come Jan but its true. Nugent, Waghorn, wood, Schlupp (GTF doesn't really get gametime) are all out of form. NP needs to loan out Waghorn (again) and Schlupp and bring in a a natural no messing about gaolscorer who we have been missing for a long time. 

[_Fatboyslow_]

He hasn't got the potential to be a striker. He has no instinct at all and doesn't seem to know the first thing about shooting, making runs, etc.

So no.

Interesting thing to say, it's starting to sound that all he has about him is a bit of pace

[Dan]

But in a league as punishing and unforgiving as the Championship, where every single point matters, how can you justify putting player development ahead of getting results? Especially if one comes at the cost of the other?

 

Football has changed now, a few bad results on the spin and you're out. What incentive does a manager have to stick with a young player and try to develop him, when he knows that he could be out on his ear within a month if he doesn't get results? This attitude has infected the fans now too. One bad game from Leicester? They're shit. One howler from a player? Bin him off.

 

A manager's job is now to get results and get points on the board, and the money-men running the show have very little patience.

 

The thing that hurts the most about reading this is it's true. Depressing.

[Dan]

it sounds stupid to say we need a new striker come Jan but its true. Nugent, Waghorn, wood, Schlupp (GTF doesn't really get gametime) are all out of form. NP needs to loan out Waghorn (again) and Schlupp and bring in a a natural no messing about gaolscorer who we have been missing for a long time. 

 

We did it last season and we actually ended up regressing as a side because we brought in a forward who clearly wasn't going to be used to our strengths in Wood, and I maintain the signing of Wood and how we used him is what caused our downfall rather than our mentality after the Huddersfield/Peterborough losses.

 

To me we play a pretty refined style of football and we'd need a genuine all-rounder to improve as a team. We've got the finisher in Wood, the hold up man in GTF and the pace in Schlupp yet I think if you threw any of these three in, we'd end up weaker because Nugent/Vardy do play well together.

 

A fit Ebanks-Blake may be the answer.

[65RosesFox]

I'd prefer to see Hopper on the bench.

[bald reynard]

I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with perhaps our player of the season currently playing left wing.

I did say, "long term replacement for Dyer".  I agree that he wouldn't displace Lloyd at the moment.

[brockmyster]

He needs to be loaned out to get regular playing time to pick up confidence and an actual footballing brain

[StanSP]

I'd prefer to see Hopper on the bench.

 

Injured for at least a few weeks.

[SMX11]

He needs consistant games, so he might as well leave to further his development because he hasn't shown enough up front to warrant starts.

[Babylon]

I did say, "long term replacement for Dyer".  I agree that he wouldn't displace Lloyd at the moment.

Indeed, but you also seemed to question why he had not played in that position.

[Langston]

He appears to have become a victim of his own versatility in that he doesn't have a definitive position in which he's flourished, and I'm not anywhere near convinced enough by his natural instinct to finish to warrant playing him ahead of Nugent, who admittedly has been bobbins for some time bar the odd game here or there.

 

In an ideal world we'd farm him out to a League One club and see how the boy gets on playing up top consistently.

[The Horse's Mouth]

He looked really promising on his loan at Brentford, however it seemed foolish to not loan him out the next season with our new imports up front. I still have some hopes for him I guess, but I hardly doubt making him a left back benefited his development at all.