Mike the Metal Ed Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 I'm never happy to be out of the Cup, but we've had worse seasons where we've crashed out in the third round, so I'll forget all about it if we're parading the Football League Championship around The Way come May.
Guest Col city fan Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 Not really, I had no problems with the team Pearson put out. Let's remember that plenty on here have complained that Nugent should be dropped and Schlupp given a go, Morgan apparently hasn't been in great form and Miquel has done well when he's played, we still had plenty of quality and experience out there with the bench to call upon. Dyer has played every game this season and his style will take its toll at some point. Rubbish.. He fielded a weakened side. At least most people are being honest and saying they werent too bothered.
Bettsj2 Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 The FA cup is shit. Its basically a symbol to me of where it all went wrong for us. Teletext strikers, missed one on ones, a hobbling Muzzy playing up front. I hate the competition to the extent that if i'd have picked the team, i'd have started Conrad.
Gubbins Posted 5 January 2014 Posted 5 January 2014 I'm just glad that that O'Neill didn't share the same thought process as many of you back in 1997. You can bet if we are promoted that there will be plenty of people wanting to crash out of the cups straight away again so we won't get 'distracted' from our battle against relegation. Surely the only time a cup becomes a distraction is when you reach the semi final stage and you can sod the league at that point as we'd be in touching distance of winning a trophy (something we've only done 3 times!). There just seems now to be a belief amongst some fans that a run in a cup almost guarantees a collapse of your league form. I'm always reminded of another cup incident involving O'Neill when this sort of debate comes up. His villa team a few years back were in the latter stages of the UEFA cup with a real chance of winning it. However he decided to send out a second string side to save his players for a league game against I think man utd as villa were also chasing a champ league place. They lost both games and finished sixth making the surrendering of that cup game utterly pointless. When you have the chance of winning a trophy you should go for it!
Captain... Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 Rubbish.. He fielded a weakened side. At least most people are being honest and saying they werent too bothered. He also fielded a weakened side against Millwall, the other big problem with the third round proper is it comes straight after the busy festive period. I daresay Pearson would have fielded a similar team if it had been a league match. Morgan and Dyer both looked in need of a rest in recent weeks, so did DD and Nugent. I have been wanting NP to use the squad more to avoid burn out, so I have no issue with the team selection, likewise I didn't at Millwall, naturally Derby will be our full strength team hopefully we'll see the benefits of resting them.
ACF Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I'm glad, only because I can definitely attend the Middlesborough game, if it ended up being somewhere else I would've been ****ed as I've got more travel plans the next day. First game at the KP since 2005, ****ing buzzing we lost.
Guest Col city fan Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 He also fielded a weakened side against Millwall, the other big problem with the third round proper is it comes straight after the busy festive period. I daresay Pearson would have fielded a similar team if it had been a league match. Morgan and Dyer both looked in need of a rest in recent weeks, so did DD and Nugent. I have been wanting NP to use the squad more to avoid burn out, so I have no issue with the team selection, likewise I didn't at Millwall, naturally Derby will be our full strength team hopefully we'll see the benefits of resting them. Would he have fielded a weakened side if the game on Saturday was Derby? No, of course he wouldnt and that's the point. Stop splitting hairs. Pearson is saving his best team for the Derby game, thus, by definition sees this as more important than the FA cup game.
indierich06 Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I'm not glad we're out, but I'm not particularly sad about it either. I think it would be an unnecessary distraction at this point of the season and to be honest, the FA Cup's lost it's magic a bit for me over the past few years. Top PL sides are more concerned about top 4 finishes and Champions League football, and most other managers are more concerned about saving their jobs or their club's PL status. You only have to see the team West Ham fielded against Forest, or Lambert's comments before the game to see that. As for Championship clubs and below, well none of them are realistically going to win it, are they? And as we've seen with Wigan and Birmingham, pursuing the FA Cup has seen them relegated and then having to deal with a hectic European schedule in the middle of a long Championship season - I bet most fans of those clubs would have chosen PL survival over winning the cup. I'd like us to take it more seriously if we establish ourselves in the PL, but until then I'm a bit indifferent towards it.
Leicester_Numan Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I'm just glad that that O'Neill didn't share the same thought process as many of you back in 1997. You can bet if we are promoted that there will be plenty of people wanting to crash out of the cups straight away again so we won't get 'distracted' from our battle against relegation. Surely the only time a cup becomes a distraction is when you reach the semi final stage and you can sod the league at that point as we'd be in touching distance of winning a trophy (something we've only done 3 times!). There just seems now to be a belief amongst some fans that a run in a cup almost guarantees a collapse of your league form. I'm always reminded of another cup incident involving O'Neill when this sort of debate comes up. His villa team a few years back were in the latter stages of the UEFA cup with a real chance of winning it. However he decided to send out a second string side to save his players for a league game against I think man utd as villa were also chasing a champ league place. They lost both games and finished sixth making the surrendering of that cup game utterly pointless. When you have the chance of winning a trophy you should go for it! I agree with some of that but O'Neill's team weren't really fighting relegation or challenging for the title so it was easy to concentrate on the league cup when it came round to the quarter finals. It's not necessarily the case that people automatically assume a cup run will affect our league form, it's a case of priorities for me and probably most others as well. If we had a bigger squad or we were sitting mid-table I'm sure most of us would be pretty annoyed at the team selection and losing a game we could have won. We're top with a small squad and most simply feel it's better to prioritise the league.As to your point about losing in the cup to concentrate on fighting relegation, personally, I'd rather do a Wigan and go down winning the cup. That's now written into their history forever and will be remembered long after the following season of readjustment has been forgotten
Fox92 Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 For most finishing 4th bottom of the premier league every year is a bigger achievement than winning FA and League Cups which is the sad state football is in nowadays, Have an open top bus and count your medals up at the end of your career for that. . Yes, I agree. The Premier League has ruined football anyway. Too much money involved as well, it must be the only aspect in the World where you're rewarded for failure (relegation). I want Leicester City to win the FA Cup, I'd love to see the day. But this season, in our position, promotion is the essential aim and Nige knows that deep down which is why I don't think he was bothered we went out. If we were currently a bottom half side in the Premier League, say a Villa or a Stoke, then I'd want us to go for a domestic trophy as well. There is such a massive gap in the top flight, as I referred to in another thread, that every team apart from three (City, United and Chelsea although Arsenal are doing well at the minute) have no chance of winning the title because of the money involved. Apparently Paul Lambert's words were taken out of context (I'm not suprised with some of the twisted people in the media) but I wouldn't be suprised if manager's and owner's preferred PL survival over a domestic trophy. While fans don't like to see that, what's the best option for the club? Bolton, for example, got relegated and are now reporting massive losses, Blackburn as well, so is it best for these clubs to try and survive for financial reasons? Although they are boring season(s) what's best for the survival of the club? All comes back to money again.
Captain... Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 Would he have fielded a weakened side if the game on Saturday was Derby? No, of course he wouldnt and that's the point. Stop splitting hairs. Pearson is saving his best team for the Derby game, thus, by definition sees this as more important than the FA cup game. But would he have done it if it wasn't for the festive period? He fielded a weaker side at Millwall, possibly with one eye on Derby and he probably identified it as a game to rest as he didn't rest anyone for QPR, Reading and Bolton. You have disagreed with me before on rotating players, but nobody is capable of playing every minute of every game in a season without a significant drop off in form (keepers aside) especially around this time of year when we have games thick and fast. I would prefer it if NP rotated more regularly, rather than using cup games or certain league matches to field a weakened side. I am not going to criticise him for resting players that looked like they needed a rest, whether it is a cup or league match, we should go out to win every match, but we have to have a long term view and suffering from burn out again this season would be unforgiveable. You have also not responded to the main point, and that is that the third round comes about at the end of a very busy festive period, players need to be rested when you have a run of 7 games in 21 days, you can't expect managers and clubs to prioritise the FA cup when the scheduling doesn't. No other country that I know of requires matches to be rearranged for cup rounds, nor do they have a hectic festive period with a cup game at the end of it. In fact most of them have a break.
Dan Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 Yes, I agree. The Premier League has ruined football anyway. Too much money involved as well, it must be the only aspect in the World where you're rewarded for failure (relegation). I want Leicester City to win the FA Cup, I'd love to see the day. But this season, in our position, promotion is the essential aim and Nige knows that deep down which is why I don't think he was bothered we went out. If we were currently a bottom half side in the Premier League, say a Villa or a Stoke, then I'd want us to go for a domestic trophy as well. There is such a massive gap in the top flight, as I referred to in another thread, that every team apart from three (City, United and Chelsea although Arsenal are doing well at the minute) have no chance of winning the title because of the money involved. Apparently Paul Lambert's words were taken out of context (I'm not suprised with some of the twisted people in the media) but I wouldn't be suprised if manager's and owner's preferred PL survival over a domestic trophy. While fans don't like to see that, what's the best option for the club? Bolton, for example, got relegated and are now reporting massive losses, Blackburn as well, so is it best for these clubs to try and survive for financial reasons? Although they are boring season(s) what's best for the survival of the club? All comes back to money again. Not spending like twats in the first place would've been a good start.
Guest Col city fan Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 But would he have done it if it wasn't for the festive period? He fielded a weaker side at Millwall, possibly with one eye on Derby and he probably identified it as a game to rest as he didn't rest anyone for QPR, Reading and Bolton. You have disagreed with me before on rotating players, but nobody is capable of playing every minute of every game in a season without a significant drop off in form (keepers aside) especially around this time of year when we have games thick and fast. I would prefer it if NP rotated more regularly, rather than using cup games or certain league matches to field a weakened side. I am not going to criticise him for resting players that looked like they needed a rest, whether it is a cup or league match, we should go out to win every match, but we have to have a long term view and suffering from burn out again this season would be unforgiveable. You have also not responded to the main point, and that is that the third round comes about at the end of a very busy festive period, players need to be rested when you have a run of 7 games in 21 days, you can't expect managers and clubs to prioritise the FA cup when the scheduling doesn't. No other country that I know of requires matches to be rearranged for cup rounds, nor do they have a hectic festive period with a cup game at the end of it. In fact most of them have a break. Festive period or not, FA Cup or not, PEARSON WILL PUT OUT HIS BEST SIDE AGAINST DERBY... He would have done so if the Millwall game was against Derby. Therefore, by definition he sees the Derby game as his main priority. Id even suggest he put out a weakened side against Millwall in preparation for the Derby game. Stop making excuses. Its clear for all that want to see that Pearson sees the Derby game as his main priority. Fair play, I cant argue with that this season.
Legend_in_blue Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 Win against Derby and this whole poll becomes completely irrelevant. Also one has to ask how Derby will react, having played the day after us, and with pretty much a full strength team. This should be, and will turn out to be imo, a tactical masterstroke by NP.
Captain... Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 Festive period or not, FA Cup or not, PEARSON WILL PUT OUT HIS BEST SIDE AGAINST DERBY... He would have done so if the Millwall game was against Derby. Therefore, by definition he sees the Derby game as his main priority. Id even suggest he put out a weakened side against Millwall in preparation for the Derby game. Stop making excuses. Its clear for all that want to see that Pearson sees the Derby game as his main priority. Fair play, I cant argue with that this season. I'm not sure what you think I'm trying to excuse, I'm saying players were rested because they needed resting, not about disrespecting the cup, if the Stoke game was played on a normal Saturday with no midweek games either side it would have been a full strength side, I'm pretty sure the club are interested in us progressing in the cups due to the financial rewards, but as it was we had 3 or 4 players badly in need of a rest. It is hardly like we filled the team with youth players, all of those starters have played a significant role so far this season, with all apart from Miquel making over 10 appearances. The Derby game probably made the decision easier, as it is a more important game in the long run, but the players needed a rest and that was clear. You stick the first round (for top clubs) of the cup at the end of the busiest period in the footballing calendar, you have to expect players to rested.
Corky Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 Festive period or not, FA Cup or not, PEARSON WILL PUT OUT HIS BEST SIDE AGAINST DERBY... He would have done so if the Millwall game was against Derby. Therefore, by definition he sees the Derby game as his main priority. Id even suggest he put out a weakened side against Millwall in preparation for the Derby game. Stop making excuses. Its clear for all that want to see that Pearson sees the Derby game as his main priority. Fair play, I cant argue with that this season. Here's the side we played against Fulham (ahead of a trip to Watford): Schmeichel Wasilewski Morgan Miquel Konchesky Drinkwater James Hammond Knockaert Wood Schlupp So, De Laet was in (was injured for the Fulham game), King in for Drinkwater and Vardy for Wood (who was injured). So only one real change from the Fulham team. We won that and Pearson may've felt confident of winning this with a similar side.
ollielcfc Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I wouldn't describe my feelings as happy, as no football fan wants to see their team lose. However, I think it may be what's best for our season and imo just gave us a chance to test the waters for what (hopefully) should be an exciting year next season!
Guest Col city fan Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I'm not sure what you think I'm trying to excuse, I'm saying players were rested because they needed resting, not about disrespecting the cup, if the Stoke game was played on a normal Saturday with no midweek games either side it would have been a full strength side, I'm pretty sure the club are interested in us progressing in the cups due to the financial rewards, but as it was we had 3 or 4 players badly in need of a rest. It is hardly like we filled the team with youth players, all of those starters have played a significant role so far this season, with all apart from Miquel making over 10 appearances. The Derby game probably made the decision easier, as it is a more important game in the long run, but the players needed a rest and that was clear. You stick the first round (for top clubs) of the cup at the end of the busiest period in the footballing calendar, you have to expect players to rested. Cmon Shrap you're a bright fella but this is making you sound a little ridiculous. Do you REALLY think that Pearson would have chosen to 'rest' Drinkwater, Morgan, Nugent if we were playing Derby in the league and not Stoke in the FA Cup last Saturday? Pull the other one buddy No, I think he rested these players because he was saving them for what he considered the most important game (Derby) and that there was nothing more to it than that.
PAULCFC Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 Not missed an fa cup match in years.....went to Southampton(GOD THAT WAS DEPRESSING!),Cardiff,Swansea in recent years and was at Stoke on Saturday.Suppose i'm one of the old school that still values this cup,but funnily enough at the final whistle i wasn't bothered about going out,just another ground ticked off!The only way the fa cup is going to get back to something like it was in past years is if a CL place is given to the winners.
Unabomber Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 I was sad as winning football games makes me happy, but I soon got over it and now I am back to being neutral again and hopefully happy come half 9 on Friday.
Unabomber Posted 6 January 2014 Posted 6 January 2014 Football is about winning trophys. Great sig mate, just donated.
Manwell Pablo Posted 7 January 2014 Posted 7 January 2014 Indifferent Was a hard tie and we gave a good account of ourselves, would of been nice to have a bit of a run but I'm happy with the manner we went out (unlike last year) and now we can concentrate on getting promoted.
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