Manwell Pablo Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Pride_of_the_midlands you still think Godin and Rodriguez don't get in the England team after watching tonight? Family good at negating strikers. To be fair he only played six minutes last night
Grandad. Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Grow up and get over yourself pal Get over myself? You have accused people of jumping on a bandwagon because people have finally realised Jordan Henderson is a good footballer and having a better last 18 months than Jack Wilshire, who has done nothing and played around 30 games in 18 months. 'lol' When you do actually grow up, you may understand a bit of football this will eventually happen when you put down your 'Match' magazine.
Grandad. Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 To be fair he only played six minutes last night Godin was class though, weren't he? What a season he has had. Hopefully we can get behind Godin, that's is where I think we can expose him.
AKCJ Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Get over myself? You have accused people of jumping on a bandwagon because people have finally realised Jordan Henderson is a good footballer and having a better last 18 months than Jack Wilshire, who has done nothing and played around 30 games in 18 months. 'lol' When you do actually grow up, you may understand a bit of football this will eventually happen when you put down your 'Match' magazine. Yes it's of my opinion that Wilshere is a better footballer than Henderson, what does it matter that Henderson has had a "better 18 months" (I don't agree with that, he's certainly had a better 6 months though). Wilshere is a better footballer than Henderson, that is my opinion...get over it. Earlier in the season he was a key part in an Arsenal side that just kept winning until injuries to Ramsey, Ozil and himself slowed them down. Henderson is a better athlete but in Brasil we'll need players to keep hold of the ball rather than run around for 90 minutes. It's going to be a tournament where the most technical side wins IMO. Which is why I can see the Spaniards or the Brazilian's technical skill coming out on top.
Guest MattP Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 To be fair he only played six minutes last night I know I just thought I'd throw it in anyway, did more than enough in those 6 minutes though Yes it's of my opinion that Wilshere is a better footballer than Henderson, what does it matter that Henderson has had a "better 18 months" (I don't agree with that, he's certainly had a better 6 months though). Wilshere is a better footballer than Henderson, that is my opinion...get over it. Earlier in the season he was a key part in an Arsenal side that just kept winning until injuries to Ramsey, Ozil and himself slowed them down. Henderson is a better athlete but in Brasil we'll need players to keep hold of the ball rather than run around for 90 minutes. It's going to be a tournament where the most technical side wins IMO. Which is why I can see the Spaniards or the Brazilian's technical skill coming out on top. As opposed to those tournaments where the skillful and techincal sides dont win them?
AKCJ Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 As opposed to those tournaments where the skillful and techincal sides dont win them? Yeah I should have expanded on that because obviously you're right. The sides who keep the ball better will win IMO. The Spanish midfield will perform better than, say, the German midfield which is more dynamic and athletic. Not necessarily because they're better Footballers than the German's but more because the heat will have a massive impact. Sides who can cope with the conditions better, by keeping the ball and making top opposition work much harder, will have the better tournament.
Guest MattP Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Yeah I should have expanded on that because obviously you're right. The sides who keep the ball better will win IMO. The Spanish midfield will perform better than, say, the German midfield which is more dynamic and athletic. Not necessarily because they're better Footballers than the German's but more because the heat will have a massive impact. Sides who can cope with the conditions better, by keeping the ball and making top opposition work much harder, will have the better tournament. I agree with that. It's a whole different game in South America, keeping the football and conserving energy is a huge part of it.
Grandad. Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Yes it's of my opinion that Wilshere is a better footballer than Henderson, what does it matter that Henderson has had a "better 18 months" (I don't agree with that, he's certainly had a better 6 months though). Wilshere is a better footballer than Henderson, that is my opinion...get over it. Earlier in the season he was a key part in an Arsenal side that just kept winning until injuries to Ramsey, Ozil and himself slowed them down. Henderson is a better athlete but in Brasil we'll need players to keep hold of the ball rather than run around for 90 minutes. It's going to be a tournament where the most technical side wins IMO. Which is why I can see the Spaniards or the Brazilian's technical skill coming out on top. Henderson has had a better 18 months, not just 6 months, that is fact. Something you can't handle. Keeping hold of the ball and for the technical players you say? Ok well here are some of the season stats comparing Jordan Henderson and Jack Wilshire.. Games Played - Henderson 34 (34 starts) --- Wilshire 23 (19 starts) - Henderson has played over 30 games every Prem season he has had, Wilshire has done that once. Passes Made - Henderson 1,929 --- Wilshire 1,197 Passing Accuracy - Henderson 86.8% --- Wilshire 86% - Not bad for a playing not as good as Wilshire for keeping the ball, especially he's played 11 more games. Tackles Won - Henderson 57 --- Wilshire 27 Tackles Lost - Henderson 24 --- Wilshire 4 - Add Wilshire's tackling up, for a midfielder to have only tackled 31 times in 23 games is shocking. Recoveries - Henderson 189 --- Wilshire 122 Interceptions - Henderson 33 --- Wilshire 10 Assists - Henderson 7 --- Wilshire 4 - This probably will have been greater for Wilshire, if he was fit enough to play more than 25 games a season. Chances Created - Henderson 60 --- Wilshire 32 And these aren't just made up statistics, everything I have said can be backed up here - http://www.liverpoolfc.com/team/player-stats/16407/Henderson But congratulations on trying to tell me Jack Wilshire is a better footballer than Jordan Henderson and he would be a better option in Brazil because he can keep the ball.
AKCJ Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 He's had a shit 6 months, like i've said. The last 6 months have skewed those results. But I stand by my opinion that Wilshere is a superior footballer to Henderson. The last 6 months have not changed my feelings on that.
Grandad. Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 He's had a shit 6 months, like i've said. The last 6 months have skewed those results. But I stand by my opinion that Wilshere is a superior footballer to Henderson. The last 6 months have not changed my feelings on that. So you would start a player who is currently injured and had a shit 6 months over someone in the form of his career, playing for a side top of the Premier League and who is having a much better season than Jack Wilshire? Wow, Ladies and Gentleman, the modern day football fan who knows nothing. Incredible. Especially when you have done nothing to suggest Wilshire is a better footballer than Henderson.
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Godin was class though, weren't he? What a season he has had. Hopefully we can get behind Godin, that's is where I think we can expose him. Godin is class and anyone who says otherwise clearly needs to button it or watch a bit more La Liga, some people (not you) need to realise I don't go around praising the players who will be representing Uruguay and Italy at the World Cup just for a laugh it's the sad reality that they've both got good teams.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Never known someone so deluded! So is Gerrard! But Gerrard is still good enough to get into this season's Team of the Year. Are you saying the PFA Team of the Year is not a credible guide to how good a player is now? No. Pride_of_the_midlands you still think Godin and Rodriguez don't get in the England team after watching tonight? When did I say that?
Bert Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 But Gerrard is still good enough to get into this season's Team of the Year. No. When did I say that? But Wilshere isn't.... So how can he be England's second best midfielder when there are other English midfielders in there?
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Who Lallana? He is not a central midfielder.
AKCJ Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 So you would start a player who is currently injured and had a shit 6 months over someone in the form of his career, playing for a side top of the Premier League and who is having a much better season than Jack Wilshire? Wow, Ladies and Gentleman, the modern day football fan who knows nothing. Incredible. Especially when you have done nothing to suggest Wilshire is a better footballer than Henderson. Point out where I said any of that please. I said that technical players are what we need in Brasil and I rate Wilshere higher than Henderson in that regard, but because of form and injuries and the sudden rise of Henderson and the sudden decline of Wilshere. i'd have to take the Geordie (given the choice between the two, I think both will end up going though). I think will be a wise decision to play the 4-3-3 / 4-4-2 that Liverpool play due to the large number of Liverpool players that'll be playing for England. Do you really think that Hodgson cares about how well their respective teams are doing? He's obviously going to be looking at performances of the individuals. It's my opinion that Jack Wilshere is a better footballer. If they're both playing to their potential then Wilshere is the better player in my eyes. On current form, i'd play something like this. Hart Johnson/Flanagan Cahill Davies Shaw Gerrard Barkley Lallana--------------------------Sterling Sturridge Rooney Taking Sturridge off later on in games and bringing either Henderson or Oxlade Chamberlain on to help shore up the midfield, reverting to a 4-3-3.
Guest MattP Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Taking Sturridge off later on in games and bringing either Henderson or Oxlade Chamberlain on to help shore up the midfield, reverting to a 4-3-3. That's not going to go down well when we are 2-0 down to Italy and Uruguay.
AKCJ Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 That's not going to go down well when we are 2-0 down to Italy and Uruguay. I meant it for when we're ahead but thinking twice, I can't imagine that we'll be ahead at any stage in the tournament. We really are shit.
Corky Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 But Gerrard is still good enough to get into this season's Team of the Year. No.
GingerrrFox Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Grandad has to be the most boring **** on here ATM he's a Liverpool fan and doesn't stop bleating about Henderson, Gerrard and all the other Liverpool players that qualify for England. Nice bias there lad. Also glad you ****ed the league up for yourselves on Sunday. P.S. Henderson is currently in the better form and is injury free but he wasn't dominating at the age of 18 for England and Arsenal like Wilshere. News for you, Wilshere is the better footballer he's just another player who seems to be made out of glass.
ScouseFox Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 well now you've shown me a clip of him playing in a friendly a year ago, giving away a penalty and playing a decent pass i am FULLY convinced he will lead us to world cup glory
Bert Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 well now you've shown me a clip of him playing in a friendly a year ago, giving away a penalty and playing a decent pass i am FULLY convinced he will lead us to world cup glory
Grandad. Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Grandad has to be the most boring **** on here ATM he's a Liverpool fan and doesn't stop bleating about Henderson, Gerrard and all the other Liverpool players that qualify for England. Nice bias there lad. Also glad you ****ed the league up for yourselves on Sunday. P.S. Henderson is currently in the better form and is injury free but he wasn't dominating at the age of 18 for England and Arsenal like Wilshere. News for you, Wilshere is the better footballer he's just another player who seems to be made out of glass. Them Liverpool players who are all in top form and are playing for a team top of the Premier League, yeah that's right, right now top of the league. No bias there, that is just facts for you, something you can't deal with. If you can't see that Jordan Henderson is currently better than Jack Wilshire then you're the **** here and certainly the bias one, only three idiots are flying the Wilshire flag, yourself who made himself look ridiculous with your Welbeck claims, Pride of the Midlands I don't need to write anything about this clown and Andy's Crown Jewels, well he is just a bigger clown than you. Jack Wilshire was dominating what at 18? He played 35 games and scored 1 goal for a team who finished 4th in the League, if you call that domination then wow. Seriously stop speaking, you are making yourself look really stupid.
Father Ted Posted 1 May 2014 Posted 1 May 2014 Hart Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines Gerrard --- Henderson Sterling -----Rooney------- Ox Sturridge
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