GingerrrFox Posted 18 April 2014 Posted 18 April 2014 Since he's moved to playing a wide left role for United Welbeck has performed much better. There is less responsibility to score goals which he struggles to be consistent with but he does give a good outlet on that side and is always a threat at trying to beat a defence in behind. In the last two ties of the Champions League against Olympiakos and Bayern he was easily one of their better players and if you look at that game at the Allianz arena he played well and set Rooney up on a plate which he absolutely butchered. Rooney will start for England but on merit of form he doesn't deserve it at all. Less so than Welbeck in my opinion.
Langston Posted 18 April 2014 Posted 18 April 2014 I'm going to be an awful person and dare suggest this but I'd consider Jason Puncheon on current effort. Left footed and a natural winger scoring goals in a newly promoted side, better bet for me on the flank than Welbeck who doesn't play consistently enough at United and is a frontman by instinct. If the former was in this kind of form at the start of the season I dare say he'd have seen a call-up, appears as if it might've come just a little too late to force his way in Roy the Boy's plans.
Stadt Posted 18 April 2014 Posted 18 April 2014 Definitely worth considering especially 'cos Rodrigues is out, Townsend isn't playing and a few other injuries.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 18 April 2014 Posted 18 April 2014 I'd like to see us try this against Peru Hart Walker Cahill Jagielka Baines Gerrard Henderson Wilshere Lallana Rooney Sturridge
conLAD logan Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 Hart Johnson Cahill stones shaw Barkley Gerrard Henderson Sterling Rooney Welbeck/Sturridge In goal: Has to be hart for me, personally part of the current unpopular opinion Forster really isn't that good or are any of the others In defence: Rb is the weakest part of the team in my opinion. Johnson really isn't that good and walker is terrible, would add the redcafu there but statistically he is the most beaten player in the league. Cahill has to be there as he's been the second best English cb this year behind terry. Stones is a gamble in a sense but be really does play with maturity and authority beyond his years, brings the ball out like a younger pique aswell. I've put him ahead of jags as I really think we'd benefit from quicker legs and more of an aerial presence in defence as jags is 5ft11 and stones is 6ft2+. Lb is probably are strongest place in this team at the minute. Baines hasn't done anything wrong but I think his pace lets him down at times and it could prove costly. The choice of shaw was more down to the fact he's young and the World Cup will give him valuable experience where I think he'll shine. In midfield: Barkley is a must for me if we are to bed in youngsters for hopes of surpassing the quarter finals of future tournaments, he has everything. Hopefully given the license like with Everton to do the damage. Think he could be one of our better players. Gerrard, where to start? Revitalised and Statistically his best ever season for Liverpool in his new role "the pirlo" personally think he plays better In this position as well as unlike pirlo Gerrard can actually tackle. Although pirlo may have a slightly better pass on him. Again I think he'll have a cracker of a tournament in his new role which will hopefully surprise some opponents. Henderson is a work horse and chips in with an assist or goal when he gets the freedom, not our best player by a long stretch but he won't disappoint, a constant 7/10 each game guaranteed. The forwards: Welbeck has IMO played quite well for England I. Offers pace, power and works tirelessly. Sturridge has a lot goal scoring wise to add for England and depending on form would start for me ahead of Welbeck. However if you want hard work from a player welbecks your man. Rooney, Rooney... Okay season for him... Man utd have played terrible so you can't really argue too much with his return in assists and goals. However not the same player be once was when he was younger. I preferred the Rooney who would run through players than the Rooney now. If he'd played upfront all his career rather than being messed around i think he would of been talked in the same breath as Suarez and ibra, still class on his day and one does feel if he is the ever show up at a World Cup this might have to be it. Worthy "gamble" to take. Sterling has recently played in a no.10 role for Liverpool if people are wondering why I have him there. Really surprised many this season after not starting so well, however he now plays with such a wise head and he's not just pace he has IMO better passing skills. However he's weak at finishing considering the opportunities he gets, although that's what separates the world class players from the rest. Definitely should start for me.
theessexfox Posted 19 April 2014 Posted 19 April 2014 ------------------------------------Hart------------------------------------------------- Flanagan-------------Cahill---------------Jagielka-------------------------Baines ---------------------------------Gerrard--------------------------------------------- -----------------------Lallana-------------Wilshere-------------------------------- ----------------------------------Barkley---------------------------------------- -----------------------Rooney------------Sturridge------------------------------ Foster Johnson Stones Henderson Milner Sterling Lambert
Grandad. Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 People who are starting a player in Jack Wilshire who isn't even fit with three Premier League games to go are ridiculous and I really am starting to worry about people's opinions on the game. At the minute he is lucky to even make the 23, I wouldn't take him as it stands.
Grantham Fox Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 4-2-3-1 Hart Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines Henderson Gerrard Sterling Rooney Lallana Sturridge
Tom17LCFC Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 Hart Walker Cahill Jones Cole Gerrard Wilshere Sterling Rooney Oxlade Sturridge
Bert Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 4-2-3-1 Hart Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines Henderson Gerrard Sterling Rooney Lallana Sturridge That's what I'd go for as much as I think Cole is head and shoulders above Baines still. But Cole hasn't been playing and Baines has.
Unabomber Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 I hope Welbeck doesn't go, that would just prove that it doesn't matter how well you are playing if you are at Man United you will get preference. My team would be: Hart Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines Gerrard Henderson Lallana Sterling Rooney Sturridge
Stadt Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 I wouldn't even take Wilshire, vastly overrated and injury prone. Barkley and Lallana are better players and much less injury prone.
Jimothy Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 That's what I'd go for as much as I think Cole is head and shoulders above Baines still. But Cole hasn't been playing and Baines has. I agree that's the case if they were both playing and on top form. Cole on top form is better than Baines on top form. But right now I don't know how you can say he's head and shoulders above Baines, whilst also making the second remark about playing time. You can't say with any certainty he's a better option because nobodies seen him play in months. For me Cole shouldn't even be on the plane.
Bert Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 I agree that's the case if they were both playing and on top form. Cole on top form is better than Baines on top form. But right now I don't know how you can say he's head and shoulders above Baines, whilst also making the second remark about playing time. You can't say with any certainty he's a better option because nobodies seen him play in months. For me Cole shouldn't even be on the plane.Surely that was pretty clear that was meant that when they were both playing? Believe it or not, I can actually say what I want. Whether people choose to agree is totally up to them. That's fine too. Personally think Baines is over rated. People rave about him because he can take a decent set piece. He's nowhere near Cole's level when it comes to defending and surprisingly, that's a full back's primary job.
Jimothy Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 Surely that was pretty clear that was meant that when they were both playing? Believe it or not, I can actually say what I want. Whether people choose to agree is totally up to them. That's fine too. Personally think Baines is over rated. People rave about him because he can take a decent set piece. He's nowhere near Cole's level when it comes to defending and surprisingly, that's a full back's primary job. Oh don't get all "I can say what I want", you know full well what I mean when I said I don't see how you can say one and the other at the same time. I'm saying the two comments contradict each other.
Bert Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 Oh don't get all "I can say what I want", you know full well what I mean when I said I don't see how you can say one and the other at the same time. I'm saying the two comments contradict each other.Well not really. I agreed saying Baines should be starting but said I still think Cole is better. It's because Baines has been playing and Cole hasn't why Baines should be starting. Who I think is better makes no bearing on who should be starting neither does it contradict what I said.
Jimothy Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 Well not really. I agreed saying Baines should be starting but said I still think Cole is better. It's because Baines has been playing and Cole hasn't why Baines should be starting. Who I think is better makes no bearing on who should be starting neither does it contradict what I said. It's impossible to know if someone is currently better if that person isn't currently playing. By saying you still think Cole is better is implying you think he's currently deserving of the spot, but you can see why he'd miss out due to lack of playing time, which is ludicrous.
Bert Posted 20 April 2014 Posted 20 April 2014 It's impossible to know if someone is currently better if that person isn't currently playing. By saying you still think Cole is better is implying you think he's currently deserving of the spot, but you can see why he'd miss out due to lack of playing time, which is ludicrous.Even though I've said Baines is deserving of the spot? Just because I think someone is better doesn't mean that automatically means they should deserve a starting spot over someone else.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 I wouldn't even take Wilshire, vastly overrated and injury prone. Barkley and Lallana are better players and much less injury prone. They play different positions though. Wilshere is a central midfielder. Barkley and Lallana are number 10s. I'd take all three.
Grandad. Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 They play different positions though. Wilshere is a central midfielder. Barkley and Lallana are number 10s. I'd take all three. How can you take a player who still isn't fit and hasn't played in the last two months? Why take a player who is in no form what so ever, over a player who's played and in form? Makes no sense at all, may as well go back to the old days of the National side.
ousefox Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 I'd honestly go for as much of the Liverpool team as we can. Works well with the Spain team coming mostly from a couple of teams. Hart Johnson Jagielka Cahill Flanagan Gerrard Henderson Barkley/Lallana Sturridge Rooney - even though he's been shite for England for ten years he's never going to get dropped Sterling
Danno Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Hart Johnson Cahill Jagielka Baines Gerrard Henderson Sterling Rooney Lallana Sturridge
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