Nigel Pearson - LMA Championship Manager of the Year

[johnny the fox]

Well done nigel.. culmination of lot of hard work..not just a one season wonder..

[Oxfordfox83]

To be fair, most of them are pretty balanced. They have their Twitter warriors, but I'd hate to be judged based on 'Sean from Enderby'.

I'm still happy it's them not QPR or Derby, and while Dyche is a bit of a nob, most of their fans are still pretty decent and acknowledge our achievements.

We're champions with the manager of the year, they had player of the year and second-seems about fair to me.

[Fox Ulike]

I feel like a right cvnt saying this: but I do think Dyche deserved this award.

 

Burnley were one of the favourites for relegation last year, lost their best player (Charlie Austin) in the Summer, and he's got them promoted ahead of money-bags QPR, and other rich clubs like Forest and Brighton.

 

But well done, Nige. A top manager and a great achievement this season.

[Steven]

I feel like a right cvnt saying this: but I do think Dyche deserved this award.

 

Burnley were one of the favourites for relegation last year, lost their best player (Charlie Austin) in the Summer, and he's got them promoted ahead of money-bags QPR, and other rich clubs like Forest and Brighton.

 

But well done, Nige. A top manager and a great achievement this season.

6th favourite according to Skybet. Does that really make them one of the favourites? Not to me. 

[Fox Ulike]

6th favourite according to Skybet. Does that really make them one of the favourites? Not to me. 

 

6th?? Poppycock.

 

So which of these 3 teams were behind Burnley in Skybet's pre-season promotion odds?

 

QPR, City, Forest, Brighton, Wigan, Reading, Blackburn, Bolton.

 

My advice would to be find a different bookies mate.

 

Edit: Or do you mean 6th favourites for relegation? In which case it does make them one of the favourites yes. 3 teams go down so Burnley due to finish two places above relegation - but get automatic promotion.

[Steven]

6th?? Poppycock.

 

So which of these 3 teams were behind Burnley in Skybet's pre-season promotion odds?

 

QPR, City, Forest, Brighton, Wigan, Reading, Blackburn, Bolton.

 

My advice would to be find a different bookies mate.

 

Edit: Or do you mean 6th favourites for relegation? In which case it does make them one of the favourites yes. 3 teams go down so Burnley due to finish two places above relegation - but get automatic promotion.

Yes. First, second and third favourites are the favourites to go down.

[yorkie1999]

I don't get how the Burnley fans are so blind to the fact they've not done it on a shoestring. What about the £48 million parachute payments and the         £11 million they got for Austin and Rodriguez, surely this money has gone back into their club, because if its not their owners have ripped the club off for it as well as ripping their fans off next year with their ST prices. Their claim to greatness is just a load of bollocks and its as if they say it enough times it must be true.  

   I don't know why i'm writing this load of rubbish because at the end of the day who gives a fvck about burnley, their manager of their fans. I know one thing, the steward i was talking to at their place couldn't stand them. They'll go into next season with exactly the same philosophy as this season, on a wing and a prayer, and hope to pick up a few little gems so they can flog em on. Wonder what they're long term plans are, if they've got any, because they come across as typical tight fisted money grabbing northern folk, moaning about how much everything costs. First opportunity Dyche will be off.

 Anyway, given the state of affairs our club was in after Sven left, i think Pearson has done a fantastic job building his own team, winning the championship within 3 years with over 100 points and thoroughly deserves manager of the year.

[wolfgang amadeus]

So even the other managers see through Douche's woe is me act. And Burnley could open up a pub with all this bitter - it's hilarious. Should just grow up and see that Nigel has easily been manager of the year: To be in a competition where how well you do usually reflects how much is spent, and spend the season cutting costs across the board from the year before, but still offer a 50% improvement on the year before, setting new records all the time is no mean feat. It's an absolutely herculean task, and well deserves the manager of the year award.

 

 

Pearson always seems very popular with other managers (i.e. those who vote for this award). Maybe because he'd never come out with some of the rubbish about other clubs that Dyche has recently?! Something to think about there for Dyche...

 

 

I'm pretty sure the Divisional ones are voted for by a panel as opposed to the managers.  The overall one (that Rodgers won) is voted for by fellow managers, not that it takes anything away from the achievement.

[Houdini Logic]

I'm still happy it's them not QPR or Derby

 

I have some bad news for you my friend...

[Fox Ulike]

Yes. First, second and third favourites are the favourites to go down.

 

I see. So you’re saying that only the bottom 3 can be regarded “favourites†for relegation. OK.

 

So then what did you mean by “6^th favourite�

 

confused.com.

 

I think you could do with taking a butchers at this.

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/favourite

 

Does it make more sense to you if I say that Burnley were “18^th favourite†for the title then?

[Westlife]

Deserved, particularly as has been highlighted the way he took the same team that could've fallen away based on the end of last season and turned them into champions. He has taken some players and squeezed the best out of them, increased the perfomances of other players and long may it continue.

 

Come rain or shine next season, he is the man that I want to see at the helm. Look forward to the banter again with my prawn sandwich loving mates who for too long have introduced me in social circles as 'yeah, this is the Leicester fan I was telling you about . . .'

 

[Number 6]

I see. So you’re saying that only the bottom 3 can be regarded “favourites†for relegation. OK.

So then what did you mean by “6^th favourite�

confused.com.

I think you could do with taking a butchers at this.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/favourite

Does it make more sense to you if I say that Burnley were “18^th favourite†for the title then?

Surely the favourites for relegation are the team with the shortest odds to be relegated? Then order the odds to find nth favourites.

[HighPeakFox]

Given the immutable law of Manager OTM (i.e. certain to lose the next game - although we now know that's bollox, but never mind that, superstition wins), is there a comparable law for winning the award for the season?     

[dsr-burnley]

So even the other managers see through Douche's woe is me act. And Burnley could open up a pub with all this bitter - it's hilarious. Should just grow up and see that Nigel has easily been manager of the year: To be in a competition where how well you do usually reflects how much is spent, and spend the season cutting costs across the board from the year before, but still offer a 50% improvement on the year before, setting new records all the time is no mean feat. It's an absolutely herculean task, and well deserves the manager of the year award.

So Pearson cut costs across the board from the season before, and offered a 50% improvement on the year before, and so is easily manager of the year.  But Dyche also cut costs across the board, and offered a 50% improvement on the year before.  There are certainly arguments that either man could be MoY, but those aren't among them.

 

This isn't a case of one good manager and one average one, as so many of you seem to think.  Both did a good job.  And while it's true that in 2013-14 Burnley got about £7m in Premier parachute money, Leicester got £4m in Football League Pool money and Solidarity Payment which Burnley did not get.

 

A lot of Burnley fans look at the £120m that Leicester had converted from loans to shares, and see that as meaning Leicester have spent £120m that Burnley haven't.  Sounds logical to me, maybe I'm wrong.  But Burnley had to get rid of Charlie Austin, and Lee Grant (last year's player of the season), and two others because their wages were too high; and two more players (Marney and Wallace) took 50% pay cuts to stay.  So Leicester's wage being cut from £25m (while Burnley's was being cut from £15m) does not mean that Pearson had a uniquely difficult job.

[MrSpaM]

So Pearson cut costs across the board from the season before, and offered a 50% improvement on the year before, and so is easily manager of the year. But Dyche also cut costs across the board, and offered a 50% improvement on the year before. There are certainly arguments that either man could be MoY, but those aren't among them.

This isn't a case of one good manager and one average one, as so many of you seem to think. Both did a good job. And while it's true that in 2013-14 Burnley got about £7m in Premier parachute money, Leicester got £4m in Football League Pool money and Solidarity Payment which Burnley did not get.

A lot of Burnley fans look at the £120m that Leicester had converted from loans to shares, and see that as meaning Leicester have spent £120m that Burnley haven't. Sounds logical to me, maybe I'm wrong. But Burnley had to get rid of Charlie Austin, and Lee Grant (last year's player of the season), and two others because their wages were too high; and two more players (Marney and Wallace) took 50% pay cuts to stay. So Leicester's wage being cut from £25m (while Burnley's was being cut from £15m) does not mean that Pearson had a uniquely difficult job.

So because our owners cleared our debts it means Pearson dosnt deserve MOTY for WINNING the league?!?

 

Winning

 

Coming First

 

Numero Uno

 

Not second

[yorkie1999]

So because our owners cleared our debts it means Pearson dosnt deserve MOTY for WINNING the league?!?

 

Winning

 

Coming First

 

Numero Uno

 

Not second

That's how i see it. Forget the money issues, after all Nigel's not the one going down the bank to ask for a loan is he, The award is for the best manager in the league, not for the club with the bigger resources. 

[dsr-burnley]

That's how i see it. Forget the money issues, after all Nigel's not the one going down the bank to ask for a loan is he, The award is for the best manager in the league, not for the club with the bigger resources. 

Now that's a valid argument.  It's a minority view - that's why Pellegrini and Cook didn't get awards, and Jackett had to share his - but at least you can argue that Pellegrini was robbed because his side won the laegue, and Crystal Palace didn't.

[CosbehFox]

I'm sure Dyche's comments such as those made towards Middlesbrough 'celebrating like they won the World Cup' are what lost him this award.

[Narborough_fox]

You have to remember that this award is voted for by fellow managers, some of the things that Dyche has said after he's lost games, such as Leicester and Middlesbrough, won't have helped his cause because he just comes across as a bit of a sore loser. On the other hand, apart from Charlton away, I personally think Nige has always taken a loss on the chin and said that the other team deserved to win.

 

Dyche's chip on his shoulder may well have lost him this award because there's a very strong argument that he did as good a job as Nigel did, although I think anyone who gets 100+ points is a more than deserving winner of the award. 

[kingcarr21]

why choose Dyche as manager of the year when you can have a bloke who pulls faces like this

[Oxfordfox83]

That's how i see it. Forget the money issues, after all Nigel's not the one going down the bank to ask for a loan is he, The award is for the best manager in the league, not for the club with the bigger resources.

I'm all for a bit of context, And Dyche has done a frankly excellent job this year, against some difficult odds. It just grates that it's him who keeps bringing the difficult odds up.

It isn't just a money game, otherwise Forest, Blackburn and Wigan would be fighting for second place in QPR's flawless victory wake. Nige has done a great job, and I wish Dyche would stop claiming they're 'moral champions' because of their finances. Be happy with automatic promotion, you can be damn sure second would have been good enough for us this year or any of the last 10...

[indierich06]

I see. So you’re saying that only the bottom 3 can be regarded “favourites†for relegation. OK.

 

So then what did you mean by “6^th favourite�

 

confused.com.

 

I think you could do with taking a butchers at this.

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/favourite

 

Does it make more sense to you if I say that Burnley were “18^th favourite†for the title then?

 

They weren't odds-on to be relegated, they weren't in the bookies top three picks for sides who could get relegated, so I'd hardly describe them to be 'favourites' for relegation.

 

And also - since when did bookies odds mean ****ing anything? Pearson was odds-on to be the first manager sacked this season. What odds would you have gotten on us winning the league? What odds would you have gotten on QPR making the playoffs? What odds would you have gotten on Liverpool finishing second and Man United failing to make the top four? 

 

Odds tell you next to nothing about how a team will perform across the course of the season, especially in a league like the Championship, where anyone can beat anyone on their day.  

[Bayfox]

I'm all for a bit of context, And Dyche has done a frankly excellent job this year, against some difficult odds. It just grates that it's him who keeps bringing the difficult odds up.

It isn't just a money game, otherwise Forest, Blackburn and Wigan would be fighting for second place in QPR's flawless victory wake. Nige has done a great job, and I wish Dyche would stop claiming they're 'moral champions' because of their finances. Be happy with automatic promotion, you can be damn sure second would have been good enough for us this year or any of the last 10...

Behind wigan or qpr maybe.

But not Burnley.

[Steven]

I see. So you’re saying that only the bottom 3 can be regarded “favourites†for relegation. OK.

 

So then what did you mean by “6^th favourite�

 

confused.com.

 

I think you could do with taking a butchers at this.

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/favourite

 

Does it make more sense to you if I say that Burnley were “18^th favourite†for the title then?

Firstly can I be your bookmaker. All odds can be translated into a percentage that notionally describes the probability of that event occurring to that team/person/horse. I have just seen a list of odds for Sherwood's replacement. The 6th favourite is at 33/1 or 3%. Do you think that the 6th favourite is likely to be Sherwood's replacement? So was it with Burnley at the beginning of the season.

[yorkie1999]

I'm all for a bit of context, And Dyche has done a frankly excellent job this year, against some difficult odds. It just grates that it's him who keeps bringing the difficult odds up.

It isn't just a money game, otherwise Forest, Blackburn and Wigan would be fighting for second place in QPR's flawless victory wake. Nige has done a great job, and I wish Dyche would stop claiming they're 'moral champions' because of their finances. Be happy with automatic promotion, you can be damn sure second would have been good enough for us this year or any of the last 10...

Wait till next season and he tries to bring that old chestnut up with clubs like man city, liverpool chelsea and man utd, he'll get laughed out of the league.