Stadt Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27971552 Investment in the north is much needed.
Voll Blau Posted 23 June 2014 Posted 23 June 2014 The money wasted on HS2 should have been spent on improving existing rail infrastructure, never mind planning a HS3. Rail connections in the north are fvcking dreadful mind. The fact I can get from Harborough to London quicker than I can get from Blackpool to Burnley is ridiculous.
howlinmadmurfdoc Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 The north is a shit hole, leave it to rot And your a shining example of a prosperous London aren't you?
Fox in the North Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 The north is a shit hole, leave it to rot The north is a great place, fvck off you southern fairy
Beliall Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 The money wasted on HS2 should have been spent on improving existing rail infrastructure, never mind planning a HS3. Rail connections in the north are fvcking dreadful mind. The fact I can get from Harborough to London quicker than I can get from Blackpool to Burnley is ridiculous. the local services from leicester are shocking. i was really surprised when i visited recently theres only a local train through hinkley, my destination, once per hour! i live near a branch line on the south coast, thats a dead end, and we have a local service every 20-30 mins. theres more trains to london from leicester than there is to hinkley
Fox92 Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 The north is a shit hole, leave it to rot And without it, you wouldn't have rail, steam, steel, cotton etc. The North has some nice places to visit. Whitby, York, Liverpool, Manchester. Humber Bridge, Transporter Bridge. It's not all about London, which in itself, has some horrid places.
Alf Bentley Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 Hs2 is a waste of money , let alone Hs3. Agree re. HS2, but not sure the same follows for HS3. I saw a TV documentary a couple of months back in which independent economic researchers were suggesting something similar: fast, high-quality transport connections from Liverpool to Leeds via Manchester. The idea was that it would effectively create a powerful "second city" / economic hub (spanning several cities) as a counterbalance to London, reducing the growing economic and social inequalities within the country. That might not work, but they certainly made it sound more of a prospect than a minor improvement in train times between London and Birmingham.
Alf Bentley Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 And without it, you wouldn't have rail, steam, steel, cotton etc. The North has some nice places to visit. Whitby, York, Liverpool, Manchester. Humber Bridge, Transporter Bridge. It's not all about London, which in itself, has some horrid places. Well said, Fox92. Easy to forget that it was the North that generated much of this country's wealth back when it was a global power with an economy based on trade and industry, not London-based financial speculation. Liverpool was one of the richest cities in the country 100 years ago. If this country became less London-centric and economically lopsided, that would be a good thing. As for London: great and fascinating city in lots of ways, but parts are "horrid", as you say. For example, I note that Lamby comes from SE London. I used to live there years back and my brother still does. Much of SE London is a right dive, with crap transport connections, crime, squalour and nasty infestations of BNP/EDL types (Eltham, Isle of Dogs etc.). No wonder it turns out the sort of bloke who can't even find his way into a pub next to the railway station he's using!
Fox92 Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 Not being biased, but Manchester really has the potential to become a powerful economic City... The Airport is the busiest outside of London, while the main Railway station, Manchester Piccadilly, is the third busiest outside of London. MediaCity is still growing - ITV and BBC have both relocated there - so that could attract more business, while the City itself brings in people from around the Country with attractions such as two big Shopping Malls, major sporting teams etc. (As you can tell, I created a guide to Manchester at Uni this year ).
Alf Bentley Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 Not being biased, but Manchester really has the potential to become a powerful economic City... The Airport is the busiest outside of London, while the main Railway station, Manchester Piccadilly, is the third busiest outside of London. MediaCity is still growing - ITV and BBC have both relocated there - so that could attract more business, while the City itself brings in people from around the Country with attractions such as two big Shopping Malls, major sporting teams etc. (As you can tell, I created a guide to Manchester at Uni this year ). I spent 5 years based in Salford and Manchester, 1992-97, when I went back to study, and Manchester always just felt to me like the second city of England....as I delight in telling Brummies! Leeds seems to be thriving quite well, too, judging from recent visits there. Not sure the same is true for Liverpool or Sheffield, but with the right investment/connections, they might be able to bounce back.
Beliall Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 Agree re. HS2, but not sure the same follows for HS3. I saw a TV documentary a couple of months back in which independent economic researchers were suggesting something similar: fast, high-quality transport connections from Liverpool to Leeds via Manchester. The idea was that it would effectively create a powerful "second city" / economic hub (spanning several cities) as a counterbalance to London, reducing the growing economic and social inequalities within the country. That might not work, but they certainly made it sound more of a prospect than a minor improvement in train times between London and Birmingham. all those battles in court drove the costs up
ScouseFox Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 Liverpool is comfortably the best city in the country. As has been said though the trains around the north are shite. I can get the high speed virgin train to London quicker than I can get to Sheffield. It takes almost an hour to get from Liverpool to Manchester on a train, I could bloody run it quicker than that.
lgfualol Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 What's the point, fix the current problems first. By the time they make these it will be already out of date. I just dont get how they can be so useless. When I travel in Germany it cost €30 euro for me and my so to travel through the WHOLE of Bavaria for a day. It cost us £100 to go to London from Leicester.
sphericalfox Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 I'll wait for the HS4 to come out. I'm happy on the contract I have. Thanks.
Bryn Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 They're right in saying the corridor between Liverpool and Hull has the potential to be an economic powerhouse, whether HS3 is the way to harness that I don't know though.
Lamby Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 As for London: great and fascinating city in lots of ways, but parts are "horrid", as you say. For example, I note that Lamby comes from SE London. I used to live there years back and my brother still does. Much of SE London is a right dive, with crap transport connections, crime, squalour and nasty infestations of BNP/EDL types (Eltham, Isle of Dogs etc.). No wonder it turns out the sort of bloke who can't even find his way into a pub next to the railway station he's using! Eltham does not have them types, trust me, I've lived here all my life. I suggest you get your facts right before spouting shit.
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 Eltham does not have them types, trust me, I've lived here all my life. I suggest you get your facts right before spouting shit. Wasn't Steven Lawrence murdered in Eltham?
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 And London is mainly a shithole, it does make me laugh most of them think they live in the most beautiful part of Britain where pretty much any other part of the south or midland countryside absolutely shits on it. Big City syndrome unfortunately. They all still have the image of anything north of Watford being a old mining town full of terraced houses, probably because a lot of them only leave the place to watch football.
Lamby Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 Wasn't Steven Lawrence murdered in Eltham? Yes, but that doesn't make us a town of racists. The people who did it didn't even come from Eltham.
Steven Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 And London is mainly a shithole, it does make me laugh most of them think they live in the most beautiful part of Britain where pretty much any other part of the south or midland countryside absolutely shits on it. Big City syndrome unfortunately. They all still have the image of anything north of Watford being a old mining town full of terraced houses, probably because a lot of them only leave the place to watch football. As a Londoner I have to say that this is not true. There are however shitholes in London like everywhere else. Steer clear of SE, E, N, NW and many W postcodes.
Alf Bentley Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 Liverpool is comfortably the best city in the country.As has been said though the trains around the north are shite. I can get the high speed virgin train to London quicker than I can get to Sheffield. It takes almost an hour to get from Liverpool to Manchester on a train, I could bloody run it quicker than that. There seems to be a lot of anti-Liverpool feeling out there these days, but I've always really liked the atmosphere on the 3-4 times I've visited: friendly, outgoing people for the most part, though you get your idiots the same as Manchester, Leicester, London or anywhere else. It does seem very run down away from the centre, though. Eltham does not have them types, trust me, I've lived here all my life. I suggest you get your facts right before spouting shit. You want some facts? Nearly 2000 people voted BNP in Eltham in 2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eltham_(UK_Parliament_constituency) Stephen Lawrence was murdered in Eltham: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Stephen_Lawrence Some more recent coverage of BNP and EDL violence in Eltham: http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/4400619.ELTHAM__Black_man_attacked_by_thugs__defending__BNP/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/two-decades-have-passed-but-the-hate-goes-on-in-eltham-6285108.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8692872/London-riots-far-right-political-party-protect-Eltham-residents.html To paraphrase your comments about the north: Eltham is a shithole, leave it to rot! Actually, as a namby-pamby lefty I'd like to see the place improved, but I'm sure you'd disapprove of that approach...
Guest MattP Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 Nearly 2000 people voted BNP in Eltham in 2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eltham_(UK_Parliament_constituency) To be fair that voting % for the BNP is lower than most places in Leicester/Leicestershire.
Finnegan Posted 24 June 2014 Posted 24 June 2014 I went back to Rothley for the first time in ages at the weekend. Took the missus through the Ridings and the Ridgeway on the way to having a cake and a drink at the station tea rooms. That's England's green and pleasant land, not ****ing Streatham, Croydon, Tottenham and bloody Hackney. I love London but it's no paradise.
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