MooseBreath Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Crazy. I think that's more or less the standard passenger plane route from anywhere in North west Europe down to the middle East, South East and East Asia and beyond. A very busy route. Why they would shoot down a passenger jet is the question.
Haydos Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Thinking this has to be a dreadful error on the part of either the Ukranians or the separatists. There's no way either side would do something like this deliberately. Perhaps some idiot separatist tooled up with equipment he doesn't really know how to use? Either way shit's gonna hit the fan.
Fox92 Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Fcuking hell. I can't even begin to imagine the conspiracy theories being written up now with the other one still missing. Terrible thing to happen, I didn't think this could actually happen to passenger airlines, I thought they would be far out of reach of something like this mid flight. 10,000 ft apparently so surely if someone was going to shoot it, it would have to be guided by radar? Which would sound like something done on purpose wouldn't it? Not sure how this sort of stuff works but not surprised it happened near Russia...
Simmo86 Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 10,000 ft apparently so surely if someone was going to shoot it, it would have to be guided by radar? Which would sound like something done on purpose wouldn't it? Not sure how this sort of stuff works but not surprised it happened near Russia... Wouldn't it be 10,000 metres?? 10,000 ft is low for a passenger jet?
............... Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 It was at 33,000 feet. There is no guarantee yet that it was shot down.
MooseBreath Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Thinking this has to be a dreadful error on the part of either the Ukranians or the separatists. There's no way either side would do something like this deliberately. Perhaps some idiot separatist tooled up with equipment he doesn't really know how to use? I agree. Looks like they shot it down in error mistaking it for military. Strange though as I'm sure dozens of passenger planes fly that route every day.
Fox92 Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Wouldn't it be 10,000 metres?? 10,000 ft is low for a passenger jet? Sorry. Mistake there.
leicsmac Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 10,000 ft apparently so surely if someone was going to shoot it, it would have to be guided by radar? Which would sound like something done on purpose wouldn't it? Not sure how this sort of stuff works but not surprised it happened near Russia... 10000 metres, so 33000 ft. There are surface-to-air missiles that have that range, but they are the permanently installed ones, rather than the portable Stinger-type ones. Which suggests that if it was shot down it was shot down from a dedicated facility on the ground. Either Ukranian, Russia or separatist. I agree. Looks like they shot it down in error mistaking it for military. Strange though as I'm sure dozens of passenger planes fly that route every day. I'd have thought the transponder signals for a military and civilian aircraft would be massively different though to prevent this kind of awful screwup in the past, and I'm betting any and all militaries do not engage civilian aircraft without positive ID and a really, really good reason. Which makes it all very strange though, as you said. Goodness only knows why this particular plane would be targetted (if that is what happened).
Trav Le Bleu Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 This is a Buk missile launcher, the type allegedly used to shoot the airliner down. Can easily imagine something like that being capable. Absolutely terrible... things could really kick off. Apparently being reported that seperatists have claimed responsibility for shooting down a Ukrainian Military Transport plane... guess again you morons!
Maybes Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Hopefully they can pick up the black box sharpish before any un-wanted hands get to it.
The God Emperor Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Why. Why. Why did I buy all those shares in Malaysian airlines!
Webbo Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Hopefully they can pick up the black box sharpish before any un-wanted hands get to it. I don't know what the black box can tell them,
Maybes Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 I don't know what the black box can tell them, Well it could rule out a fault with the plane for starters. Reports are only alleging it was shot down by a missile.
Maybes Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Flew into or close by to a restricted area according to sky new sources. Western airlines have been avoiding the area/route path but eastern airlines such as Singapore airlines/ Malaysia etc have continued to fly in/close by the area.
Haydos Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 More links to news sources/pics/whatnot. Nuts. http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2ayjwz/malaysian_plane_crashes_over_the_ukraine/
notnow john Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Just waiting for the first person to claim it was the CIA. Where IS Zingari?
The God Emperor Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Where IS Zingari? he got too close to the truth
Fox92 Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Off topic a minute but I haven't seen Zingari post for ages.
Itsthejoeker Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 This on the same day as Israel beginning their ground assault on Gaza? It's gonna get messy.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 Off topic a minute but I haven't seen Zingari post for ages. I was thinking this earlier today (Now THERE'S a conspiracy theory - the Fox92/TravLeBleu mind-meld!), but hew often disappears for a while from the forum in summer. He probably holed up in his volcano island lair in the South Pacific somewhere off the map.
Simmo86 Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 This on the same day as Israel beginning their ground assault on Gaza? It's gonna get messy. I swear Israel declared a ceasefire earlier in the day?? Or did I imagine that?
bovril Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 I swear Israel declared a ceasefire earlier in the day?? Or did I imagine that? I think they were just changing ends.
Itsthejoeker Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 I swear Israel declared a ceasefire earlier in the day?? Or did I imagine that? Egypt tried to push it and no one bothered.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 17 July 2014 Posted 17 July 2014 This on the same day as Israel beginning their ground assault on Gaza? It's gonna get messy. A cynic (don't know where you'd find one of them... ) might say that Israel has done this as the World's attention is focussed elsewhere.
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