suffolk fox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Dear oh dear this thread........so last season.......,same as results as a top sales person in business....you maybe top sales person for the last three years but that means naff all if you cannot achieve those results this financial year. Some folk will do anything to defend him. You must all be his relatives? Simple facts are he is not a premier league manager he is not up to the job. He is failing this season how long will the Thais give him? Was told by a trusted source today that no matter what happens he will remain our manager this season. i was gutted to hear it cos I don't believe he is capable of turning it around. I just pray and hope we get more than Derbys low record of 12 points. Threads like this do make me laugh though, In Nigel we trust? pleeeeeeeeeeeease.
Soar Fox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Or did he retire in 04/05? I agree regarding the recruitment in summer 04, though we did bring in some younger players (Williams, Gudjonsson, Connolly). But the whole squad was in need of such an injection of youth that, while Adams should have given it and didn't, we would have struggled severely whatever he did. Just had a look he went out on loan at the start of the 04/05 season then retired in the January. I remember that summer i was quite looking forward to some of the signings we made Williams,Keown, Dublin, Wilcox. Oh how wrong it turned out
inckley fox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 If we came back down we'd probably say goodbye to Konchesky, Wasilewski, Mahrez and Cambiasso, and on the fringes you might lose Knockaert, Fletcher, Wood and Hammond. Perhaps there's a chance someone would come in for Moore, James, Schlupp or Vardy. With this in mind, the squad would probably retain a good degree of quality for that division, though not necessarily enough to mount a promotion challenge without some serious rebuilding. Whether the board would want a manager who had previously built his team around good Championship players incapable of making the step up, I don't know. If we went down I think we'd have a strong squad, possibly stronger than back in 2011, on paper at least. But we would still be just that - a Championship side which looks good on paper, which has a clutch of players who were successful in that league a couple of seasons ago. We've seen that go wrong for us in the past. I'm not sure how far different that would be from the situation Sven left behind three years ago. So it's best not to get too caught up in talk of how far we've come since the return of Pearson. If he saves his job and saves us from relegation, there will be real, clear progress. This is what I still think will happen. But if he leaves us as favourites for promotion in the second tier, there won't have been real, clear progress.
dmayne7 Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Dear oh dear this thread........so last season.......,same as results as a top sales person in business....you maybe top sales person for the last three years but that means naff all if you cannot achieve those results this financial year. Some folk will do anything to defend him. You must all be his relatives? Simple facts are he is not a premier league manager he is not up to the job. He is failing this season how long will the Thais give him? Was told by a trusted source today that no matter what happens he will remain our manager this season. i was gutted to hear it cos I don't believe he is capable of turning it around. I just pray and hope we get more than Derbys low record of 12 points. Threads like this do make me laugh though, In Nigel we trust? pleeeeeeeeeeeease. Simple fact is; he's a Premier League Manager as he manages in the Premier League. Check and mate.
Trelleh Posted 30 November 2014 Author Posted 30 November 2014 Dear oh dear this thread........so last season.......,same as results as a top sales person in business....you maybe top sales person for the last three years but that means naff all if you cannot achieve those results this financial year. Some folk will do anything to defend him. You must all be his relatives? Simple facts are he is not a premier league manager he is not up to the job. He is failing this season how long will the Thais give him? Was told by a trusted source today that no matter what happens he will remain our manager this season. i was gutted to hear it cos I don't believe he is capable of turning it around. I just pray and hope we get more than Derbys low record of 12 points. Threads like this do make me laugh though, In Nigel we trust? pleeeeeeeeeeeease. But what makes you think bringing in a new manger will certainly stop the regression? I don't fancy going down the Mandaric path again if it goes tits up.
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 If we came back down we'd probably say goodbye to Konchesky, Wasilewski, Mahrez and Cambiasso, and on the fringes you might lose Knockaert, Fletcher, Wood and Hammond. Perhaps there's a chance someone would come in for Moore, James, Schlupp or Vardy. With this in mind, the squad would probably retain a good degree of quality for that division, though not necessarily enough to mount a promotion challenge without some serious rebuilding. Whether the board would want a manager who had previously built his team around good Championship players incapable of making the step up, I don't know. If we went down I think we'd have a strong squad, possibly stronger than back in 2011, on paper at least. But we would still be just that - a Championship side which looks good on paper, which has a clutch of players who were successful in that league a couple of seasons ago. We've seen that go wrong for us in the past. I'm not sure how far different that would be from the situation Sven left behind three years ago. So it's best not to get too caught up in talk of how far we've come since the return of Pearson. If he saves his job and saves us from relegation, there will be real, clear progress. This is what I still think will happen. But if he leaves us as favourites for promotion in the second tier, there won't have been real, clear progress. No Prem side would want Wasa, Konch, Cambiasso, Wood, Nugent, Albrighton, DeLaet IMO. They might take a punt on Ulloa, Schlupp, Mahrez, Moore, possibly Kasper. Shows just what a pretty poor squad we look to have at this level. If we went down, I'm not sure we could sell many players to Prem clubs.
MC Prussian Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 No Prem side would want Wasa, Konch, Cambiasso, Wood, Nugent, Albrighton, DeLaet IMO. They might take a punt on Ulloa, Schlupp, Mahrez, Moore, possibly Kasper. Shows just what a pretty poor squad we look to have at this level. If we went down, I'm not sure we could sell many players to Prem clubs. They'd change their mind if more of our players would finally take their fingers out of their (excuse me for bleeping this term). The Premier League is a great platform to display your skills. Sadly, I think they're all holding back a bit and/or are very insecure at the moment - I mean, it worked well for the first four, five games. We played attractive, sometimes effective football that was nice on the eye. This squad isn't poor per se, the current attitude and form are.
Harry - LCFC Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 I'm not wumming. I think that team had some decent players and much more spirit than this side. I guess time will tell. That surprises me. It was said so many times last season (and early this season) that this team has character by the bucket load. So often we got late goals to grab points and fought back from a losing positions on a number of occasions. How much did we have to battle to win against Stoke and United? Did the turnaround in the 12/13 season happen by accident or did the players have to show determination and heart? We're not playing well but not trying hard enough is the last thing I'd accuse them of. I'm dead proud that my club is represented by a group of players who I think care about the results and it's collective success or failure.
Guest Col city fan Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 That surprises me. It was said so many times last season (and early this season) that this team has character by the bucket load. So often we got late goals to grab points and fought back from a losing positions on a number of occasions. How much did we have to battle to win against Stoke and United? Did the turnaround in the 12/13 season happen by accident or did the players have to show determination and heart? We're not playing well but not trying hard enough is the last thing I'd accuse them of. I'm dead proud that my club is represented by a group of players who I think care about the results and it's collective success or failure. Yet many are suggesting, if not insisting, that a lack of cohesion is EXACTLY what is missing now?
Candidcamera Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Until we start winning we will not know how to respond to this thread. There are many reasons to stick with Pearson but now we are in the Premier we need to stay here. I like the changes he is making to the playing style but why is he leaving Drinkwater out again. This was why we lost the plot the season before last. We have a good young squad of players but we haven't seen the team that got us up once since the start of the season. I am the first to acknowledge that we had to strengthen but it would good to get back to basics and to really see whether we are good enough.
Fox92 Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Enjoyed the Micky Adams premier league season more than this. I can't recall us ever being rock bottom during that season?
Soar Fox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 I can't recall us ever being rock bottom during that season? I can't either. That season we conceded too many late goals and drew too many games.
bovril Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 The 03/04 team was better. How Col can be accused of wumming for saying that is laughable. The problem was Micky Adams' bizarre substitutions, paper-thin confidence at the back when leading games and Walker (who was otherwise a very good keeper) going through a terrible patch. We just found new ways of shooting ourselves in the foot every game. If Dickov had scored the penalty against Man City we might have stayed up. He was a better player than Vardy though.
Monsell1976 Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Pearson has done alright since he's been with us and had a great season last season, but does that mean if we are free falling back to the championship, we should accept it's ok because he's won a league one and championship title and a couple of play offs. I think if you think Pearson is a great manager, you will accept any thing, and defend him on past achievements, but if you are not overly bothered who is the manager, and think somebody else could do better, his failings this season won't be acceptable. He's made poor decisions in the transfer market, and has been poor in preparing for the premier league, as in he thought what he had was good enough, and what he has brought in, on the whole haven't improved us. And then he hasn't got his head around how to get his players to perform on a regular basis, and learnt how to get results in this league. We look naive defensively and are so easy to score against, and offensively are so predictable, we are easy to defend against. For me the players we have, have their limitations but could do so much better than they are, so for me the manager needs to earn his inflated salary, and bring the best out of them. I am not convinced by pearsons ability to stop the rot, in that bad run before, he seemed at a loss to stop it, and we limped into the playoffs, and didn't perform in that playoff, and my feelings are he doesn't have a clue how to stop this one, and blaming his players shows his desperation
MC Prussian Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 The 03/04 team was better. How Col can be accused of wumming for saying that is laughable. The problem was Micky Adams' bizarre substitutions, paper-thin confidence at the back when leading games and Walker (who was otherwise a very good keeper) going through a terrible patch. We just found new ways of shooting ourselves in the foot every game. If Dickov had scored the penalty against Man City we might have stayed up. He was a better player than Vardy though. Last time in the Premier League, we tried it the "experience" way. As much as it was a joy seeing us score a few great goals, a lack of awareness in the back and a lack of stamina proved costly (throwing away games/leads towards the end quite often). I think it's a bit unfair comparing a large chunk of our current squad with the one ten years ago (like using Dickov and Vardy) - most of the latter already had plentiful of Premiership experience.
Bamba's Babes Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Let's not forget where we were before Nige.. It doesn't matter!
dannythefox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Yeh look where Southampton were before Adkins took charge and look where they are now!
Guest ttfn Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Let's not forget where we were before Nige.. It doesn't matter!As others have said if we go down we'll be one of the favourites to come back up to the premier league, which is basically where NP took us over 3 years ago.Given that it took 10 years to get promoted again I'm surprised by the confidence that many have in us competing at the top end of the championship table should we go down. Just look at last year's relegated sides.
Charl91 Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 If we go down, I don't have faith that we will come straight back up. One good year in the championship, and people have started to think that it's a walkover.
Fox92 Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Yeh look where Southampton were before Adkins took charge and look where they are now! But you can also look on the flip side of that and ask where did teams like Derby and Hull end up? Changing the manager doesn't always work, it depends who comes in as a replacement and it depends how much the owners know. Eg I doubt many people here had heard of Pochettino when Southampton got him in. Of course, it worked and it's working again under a new manager (though of course Koeman is a bigger name and one of the better players to ever play the game).
dannythefox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 But you can also look on the flip side of that and ask where did teams like Derby and Hull end up? Changing the manager doesn't always work, it depends who comes in as a replacement and it depends how much the owners know. Eg I doubt many people here had heard of Pochettino when Southampton got him in. Of course, it worked and it's working again under a new manager (though of course Koeman is a bigger name and one of the better players to ever play the game). I agree I'm just looking at it from the owners view it's taken 10 years to get here and will not want to be going back down
Fox92 Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 I agree I'm just looking at it from the owners view it's taken 10 years to get here and will not want to be going back down Yeah, I get that. I made that point in the other thread. Especially given how much they've invested into the club and what they've said previously about going forward.
Harry - LCFC Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Yet many are suggesting, if not insisting, that a lack of cohesion is EXACTLY what is missing now? Are they? I'll have to pay more attention then as lack of quality is reason I think is given most often.
Al-aLondon-Foxile Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 I just watched the extended highlights v QPR on sky. I've gotta say we had a good go at them, and were unlucky to come away without a point. There are issues for me about zonal marking and I was frustrated with the diamond but to be honest NP is also on a learning curve. It's just my opinion but I'm experienced enough to have seen us flick from manager to manager and it isn't always a successful transformation. I think NP is the man to take us forward, & I would give him the assurance that he has the long term commitment from the owners. Building a solid future for our club could include relegation this season, it has to happen to 3 teams every year and we are gonna be there or there abouts. Let him build for the future, learn this time around and get stronger. Let's just enjoy the ride.
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