Raj Posted 20 December 2014 Posted 20 December 2014 Good summary. Our slide from triumph to despair has been hideously, horrifically and dramatically rapid. Something has to change in the next two games, by which I mean a 4 point return, or it feels like it will be impossible to recover i can't see us getting owt from.spurs wiv Cane coming back to wallop us and the big 6 pointer wiv dull i can see our players buckling under the pressure there tood...more i think about this the more depressing it all seems....I've not even had texts off mates taunting our loss today...even they are bored of us losing!!! ...chin up all......
kingfox Posted 20 December 2014 Posted 20 December 2014 Spot on. The logic is simple. We stormed the championship, Burnley and Qpr couldn't beat us, in fact we won 3 and drew 1 against them. We bought more and better players than burnley, so our squad should be even better. Qpr added nothing of note. So, burnley and QPR are making a much better fist of it than is. The only other factor is the management teams and their selection / tactical ability. It's simple. Pearson can't change a game. He isn't tsctically astute enough before or after a game. We need a new manager, and we need it quick. It's not just tactics either Paul, we don't have any players on the bench who can change a game. The likes of Knockaert, Nugent & Wood have showed hardly anything this season, we have given Nick Powell a few tries out but of the minutes he has been on, he hasn't looked particularly great either. It's the teams around us as well, look at Hull, Palace, Sunderland, QPR, West Brom & Villa, they aren't particularly good teams but look at the players they have, they simply have better quality than us & more international standard players.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 20 December 2014 Posted 20 December 2014 Sorry. What I don't get about you is why you have to resort to insults when criticising, in particular on the subject of Nigel Pearson. I'm all for reasoned argument and constructive criticism but there seems to be very little of it from you. If you read my posts collectively, you will see I've covered everything. I don't see why I should go over that ground again, simply because you have chosen to ignore them. When it comes to insults, what about Pearson's own words of "F--k off and die", or is that not insulting? Perhaps you find that acceptable? Strangely enough, I for one, do not.
justfoxes Posted 20 December 2014 Posted 20 December 2014 Agree... I though he was the best guy to work with the players and sort it out - but Nigel is soo slow to sort stuff out. I still belive changing manager is a big risk..., and am un impressed by the candidates... but I can't see Nigel making progress... It seems no one at the club is intervening to get help and have the right crisis planning to come up with a new approach... if they don't then we will get more of the same ... and thus might as well find a new manger... SO do the owners1. help Nigel, 2. leave him to fail or 3. bring in a new guy who may well fail??? (I would go option 1) - I think they are going option 2. I hope it's not 2 Thais Don't do failure very well apparently! I think they will give it the first half of January if he fails to bring in any decent targets and we continue to lose they will show him the door but I can't see this slump lasting the lads need to pick up man up and start winning games is it their fault the results are crap partly they are on the pitch doing PEARSON'S way and need to dig in grind out the results and play like hell for most of the game not just the last 5 or 10 minutes of the game !! PEARSON needs to deliver the goods and soon otherwise unfortunately he may be picking up his p45 sooner than later !!
Monsell1976 Posted 20 December 2014 Posted 20 December 2014 He cannot keep losing week in, week out, just got a feeling that they are not going to sack him, think they gave him a 3 year deal, and will probaly end up doing all 3, but he's losing fans all over the place, so he needs to work hard in jan, because getting beat like we are, the fans will turn on him
Guest ttfn Posted 20 December 2014 Posted 20 December 2014 I can't believe the sheer unwillingness of some posters on here to even engage with a debate about whether keeping Pearson is the right thing. My personal preference is that we keep him but frankly that is laced with a massive dose of feeling that that is the right thing for us to do given all he's achieved here. If we keep Pearson as manager, we are 100% going down this season. He's not turning this around this season. On the assumption that we get relegated, he is definitely the man we need to take us back up. The time to sack Pearson has, to my mind, been and gone. If he was going to go the time to do it was after the Aston Villa game, which would have given a new manager the opportunity to give us a bit of a "bounce" over the Christmas period and then get his own players in. As it is now, it's 2 points from 12 games and 9 defeats in the last 10. It is one of the worst 10 game runs in Premier League history. It's a complete and utter embarrassment. It's too late to sack Pearson now and expect any material change. We're going down and Nigel is the right man to get us back up.
cjslcfc Posted 20 December 2014 Posted 20 December 2014 If you read my posts collectively, you will see I've covered everything. I don't see why I should go over that ground again, simply because you have chosen to ignore them. When it comes to insults, what about Pearson's own words of "F--k off and die", or is that not insulting? Perhaps you find that acceptable? Strangely enough, I for one, do not. What has what I said got to do with Nigel Pearson saying "F*** off and die"??
Parafox Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 League One to the Premier League, what a monster. And now Premier League to who knows where in 2-3 years. We won't come straight back up if we go down and if you believe we will then you're as naive and blinkered as those who believe he is going to save us from relegation.
Collibosher70 Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 you can't polish a turd , but you can roll it in glitter.....pearson can't even do that!!
Neil_LCFC Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 The worse thing is we are now embarrassing ourselves and just rolling over week in week out. Even Blackpool who scraped up in 6th with no money Holloway as manager and DJ Campbell as their main man made a better fist of it than we are doing. No one expected it to be easy but when Burnley and Qpr are 5 & 7 points clear of you something has got to change. This isn't Terry Robinson's fault this is the manager not getting anywhere near the best out of his players . Please don't tell me we couldn't get anyone to do a better job as I don't think anyone could have done a worse job than Pearson has this season.
MC Prussian Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 The worse thing is we are now embarrassing ourselves and just rolling over week in week out. Even Blackpool who scraped up in 6th with no money Holloway as manager and DJ Campbell as their main man made a better fist of it than we are doing. No one expected it to be easy but when Burnley and Qpr are 5 & 7 points clear of you something has got to change. This isn't Terry Robinson's fault this is the manager not getting anywhere near the best out of his players . Please don't tell me we couldn't get anyone to do a better job as I don't think anyone could have done a worse job than Pearson has this season. Why this constant fixation and comparison with the two teams that got promoted alongside us? What gives us the right or why do we have to automatically perform better than them in the Premier League just because we finished first last season, all of that with a team less experienced and less expensive than QPR, for instance? Once you're back in the top flight, you're starting from scratch again. Let's not forget the three teams were pretty much even up until we came up with a late surge towards the end of the 2013/2014 campaign.
Paulmot Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 I heard Pulis commentating on the city - palace game. The commentator mentioned the fact palace had got a lot of players back and Pulis replied yes but now they need to go to work. Not saying i want a managerial change just think we get back but stand off to much and do not pick up the runners.
Neil_LCFC Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 We don't have the right to perform better than them but seeing how we were 20 odd points better than Qpr and about 7 better off than Burnley last season is it wrong to believe we should at the very least be competing on a similar level to them this term ? Or are our ambitions and expectations so low that we think we are doing fine and where we expect to be.
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 We don't have the right to perform better than them but seeing how we were 20 odd points better than Qpr and about 7 better off than Burnley last season is it wrong to believe we should at the very least be competing on a similar level to them this term ? Or are our ambitions and expectations so low that we think we are doing fine and where we expect to be. It looks like MC Prussian thinks exactly this.
MC Prussian Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 We don't have the right to perform better than them but seeing how we were 20 odd points better than Qpr and about 7 better off than Burnley last season is it wrong to believe we should at the very least be competing on a similar level to them this term ? Or are our ambitions and expectations so low that we think we are doing fine and where we expect to be. Well, aren't we competing on a similar level? Looking at the table, how many points separate us from QPR and Burnley? What I don't get is people's expectations of our team having to automatically perform just like last season at a higher level with much better/much more skilled opposition, probably the best in the world (apart from a few teams in Spain, Italy, France and Germany). It's not like the players aren't fighting for it and letting their heads down each game.
Neil_LCFC Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 We aren't competing on a similar level we have lost 9 in 10. Both of those clubs are regularly getting points. Qpr are beating the clubs around them at home . Us, Burnley wba and Sunderland. Burnley are on a decent run and even tho they lost yesterday they had a real good go at it and could have got a point.
MC Prussian Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 We aren't competing on a similar level we have lost 9 in 10. Both of those clubs are regularly getting points. Qpr are beating the clubs around them at home . Us, Burnley wba and Sunderland. Burnley are on a decent run and even tho they lost yesterday they had a real good go at it and could have got a point. Both of them are getting points now or have gotten points in recent weeks - as opposed to us, however... Up until the Burnley home game, would you have asked the same question on here? We were in mid-table, Burnley and QPR lingering at the bottom of the table... So, all in all, in balance we are competing on a similar level.
peterthefox Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 Whatever happens now buddy, I firmly believe it is too late. It's never to late.
Neil_LCFC Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 Just like Derby were competing at a similar level when they got 12 points. You need to wake up to what's happening.
MC Prussian Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 Just like Derby were competing at a similar level when they got 12 points. You need to wake up to what's happening. Ok, what are next week's lottery numbers?
Neil_LCFC Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 What's that got to do with us rolling over to spurs and getting our tummy tickled ? If the lottery results were as predictable as our results and performances we would all be millionaires.
MC Prussian Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 What's that got to do with us rolling over to spurs and getting our tummy tickled ? If the lottery results were as predictable as our results and performances we would all be millionaires. But they aren't. Or did you predict us winning at Stoke or beating Manchester United? I mean, you could've been made a millionaire months ago with your foresight and would no longer need to post on here at all with b*tches and yachts and planes and all that fancy stuff at your disposal.
The Blue Moon Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 He's presided over 2 of our worst runs in the history of the club, that's a fact that can't be disputed. He's presided over 2 promotions too, another fact. Both with big budgets and good resources compared to the opposition but both won in style. We've all got our opinions but too many of them are either Pearson haters gloating about being proven right or blinkered Pearson lovers who can't handle a bad word being said about him. For me, he's a good Championship manager, he's probably not quite up to it in the Prem. We've left it too late this season, we're resigned to relegation. I'd give him till the end of the season to try and salvage some respectability and then make a decision in the summer. But I wouldn't blame the owners for getting rid now so long as they have a good replacement lined up.
Neil_LCFC Posted 21 December 2014 Posted 21 December 2014 Ok then as predictable as our results over the last 3 months. And yes I thought we could win at Stoke and had a chance against man U as they started the season poorly. Where as now we have totally lost it and like many I can't see where the next win is coming from. We looked ok at the start of the season as we had momentum and belief the only difference is once we lose a few games the players and management don't have the ability to stop the rot and lack the required character to get out of it . They are like scared rabbits in the headlights at the minute.
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