FoxesAreBlue Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 Used to work on the streets of Leicester City Centre for hours at a time, some of you may be familiar with the accordion guy with no legs? Scoots around on a skateboard.... He just to play the same tune on that accordion, day in day out and he'd make a killing. If ever anyone game him a £1, £2 or a note that would be slipped into his pocket and only the shrapnel would be left out. He used I make loads of cash, then he had a lackey to come along and carry all his shit away! He was homeless (allegedly) yet had a butler!
DB11 Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 I've never given cash to a homeless person and never will. I'll happily buy a Big Issue or even give food or drink, used to use my NUS card to get a free cheeseburger or McFlurry when I was at uni, but cash isn't the answer. Does that make me a cvnt? I've never given anything to a homeless person and never will. What you do is still above and beyond I'd donate directly to the charities if I was that way inclined. Most of them have their own grotty council flat and just go out looking for sympathy. Coincidence that there's much more of them on the street at Christmas time? Hmmmm
Buce Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 I'm pretty sure beggars don't submit annual accounts so what other kind of evidence is there?Clearly there is none, which rather makes my point.But there is a serious point here: Forget, for a moment, your natural antipathy to beggars; imagine that the Leicester Mercury ran a headline, MooseBreath fvcks little boys. How do you think that might feel? And if further on, to add insult to injury it transpired that the only 'evidence' that they have for this outrageous accusation was anecdotal, I imagine you'd be on to your lawyer quicker than Lloyd Dyer on amphetamines. But by then the damage is done; the kind of people who believe what they read in the papers have already up their minds: MooseBreath fvcks little boys: it's got to be true, it was in the Mercury; and Ian Stringer told an anecdote he'd heard on RL, so that proves it for me. The fact that the people possibly slandered and misrepresented in this way are not 'desirable' people, shouldn't blind you to the uncomfortable precedent being set.
Buce Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 I stopped at Moosebreath ****s little boys!!! That image is going to haunt you..
Rincewind Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 Instead of reading the Mercury why not visit Shelter and ask those working there what the situation is. They may tell you there is an increase in homelessness at this time of year because of the increase of repossessions or evictions or domestic violence or low income and unable to pay fuel bills or mental illness or young peop;e thrown out by parents. Whether you believe them is up to you but at least it is another viewpoint. There is also greater use of hostels because of the weather so noy all can get a place. Housing Options tell people that they do not qualify for emergency housing when in fact they do. (see the guidelines regarding this) If the people in need 'do not qualify' then it appears that the figures of homelessness is reducing so a hostel or two and services for vulnerable people are cut giving the council more money to spend on things like the road alterations seen throughout the city and market alterations. BTW I do not agree in giving money to those on streets. The genuine ones would prefer and appreciate a place to sleep, warm clothing and food to eat. Things the rest of us take for granted in our everyday life.
MooseBreath Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 Clearly there is none, which rather makes my point. But there is a serious point here: Forget, for a moment, your natural antipathy to beggars; imagine that the Leicester Mercury ran a headline, MooseBreath fvcks little boys. How do you think that might feel? And if further on, to add insult to injury it transpired that the only 'evidence' that they have for this outrageous accusation was anecdotal, I imagine you'd be on to your lawyer quicker than Lloyd Dyer on amphetamines. But by then the damage is done; the kind of people who believe what they read in the papers have already up their minds: MooseBreath fvcks little boys: it's got to be true, it was in the Mercury; and Ian Stringer told an anecdote he'd heard on RL, so that proves it for me. The fact that the people possibly slandered and misrepresented in this way are not 'desirable' people, shouldn't blind you to the uncomfortable precedent being set. Two somewhat differing situations there. I can't think of any benefit to me or anyone else of it being erroneously announced that I engage in such behaviour with boys. But the senior inspector here may feel that not only could the public benefit from not having to deal with beggars, but perhaps the beggars themselves will be moved to change their ways and perhaps even become productive members of society again. You rule out this anecdotal evidence as if being anecdotal guarantees it isn't true. This isn't the first time this kind of story has been ran in the Mercury and similar stories abound all over the country. The reality is that these beggars are most likely conning quite ridiculous sums of money out of unsuspecting members of the public. I think we'd all agree that we'd rather that money went to people who actually need it.
davieG Posted 22 December 2014 Author Posted 22 December 2014 Help for Leicester's homeless over Christmas By danjmartin | Posted: December 22, 2014 Coun Andy Connelly Coun Andy Connelly Comments (0) Homeless people in Leicester are being advised of help available to them over Christmas. The city council wants people to know where and when help, food and shelter is available. Leicester assistant city mayor for housing councillor Andy Connelly, said: “This time of year can be particularly difficult for people who sleep rough or have no fixed accommodation, and I’m glad that the city council is working with services across the city to open their doors to homeless people this Christmas. “I’m very grateful to the voluntary sector services and other organisations who are involved in providing help for homeless people over the festive period. RELATED CONTENT Legal challenge causes city council to rethink funding cuts for Leicester voluntary organisations £1million project to support young homeless people in Leicestershire “We’re ensuring that information on all these services is made available widely across the city, to ensure that as many people as possible know where help, hot food and company is available.” The Dawn Centre hostel, in Conduit Street, will be open every day over Christmas to give advice, support and assistance. The Y Support Project, also at the Dawn Centre, will also been open on various days over Christmas, offering breakfasts for rough sleepers and those of no fixed address from 8am to 9am, along with Christmas dinner on Christmas Eve and a festive brunch on Christmas Day. The council’s Homeless Outreach Team will also be out and about on various days over Christmas, helping providing advice and assistance on where rough sleepers can get help. A number of other venues and organisations are opening their doors to help homeless people. The Centre Project, in Alfred Place, off Granby Street, will be offering hot food on Tuesday, December 23, from midday to 3pm. The Case Restaurant in Hotel Street will be offering its annual Christmas Day dinner to rough sleepers, sofa-surfers or other vulnerably-housed people, from 12.30pm to 2pm on December 25. The Bridge, at the Salvation Army offices in Kildare Street, off Humberstone Gate East, will be offering hot food and drinks and a warm, friendly place for people to meet on Sunday, December 28, from 3pm to 5pm, and on Thursday, January 1, from 6pm to 8pm. Other organisations will be offering a range of services over Christmas, with a variety of opening times and dates. The Anchor Centre, in Dover Street, will open its door at various times over the festive period. The Homeless Healthcare Service, at the Dawn Centre, will also operate at certain times over Christmas. St James the Greater Church, on London Road, will offer an “Eat ‘n’ Meet” event, offering a hot meal, drinks and activities, on Saturday, December 27, from 11am to 1.30pm. The council’s Housing Options service, which offers information and assistance on housing matters, will also be open except for weekends, Christmas Day, Boxing Day, New Year’s Day and January 2. www.leicester.gov.uk/your-council-services/housing/homelessness/ Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Help-Leicester-s-homeless-Christmas/story-25751172-detail/story.html#ixzz3MfHZ0m6v Follow us: @Leicester_Merc on Twitter | leicestermercury on Facebook
FoxesAreBlue Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 The Housing Options service is open less than my gym!
Stadt Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 What's worse than the homeless people is the attention seeking pricks that post videos of them helping the homeless to receive recognition and get people lapping all their attention seeking faeces out of their social media ridden arseholes
Dr The Singh Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 What's worse than the homeless people is the attention seeking pricks that post videos of them helping the homeless to receive recognition and get people lapping all their attention seeking faeces out of their social media ridden arseholesWhere's Ken
Rincewind Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 I'm enjoying just reading the thread. Made one contribution and that should be enough.I think we have done this subject to death.
Buce Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 Two somewhat differing situations there. I can't think of any benefit to me or anyone else of it being erroneously announced that I engage in such behaviour with boys. But the senior inspector here may feel that not only could the public benefit from not having to deal with beggars, but perhaps the beggars themselves will be moved to change their ways and perhaps even become productive members of society again. You rule out this anecdotal evidence as if being anecdotal guarantees it isn't true. This isn't the first time this kind of story has been ran in the Mercury and similar stories abound all over the country. The reality is that these beggars are most likely conning quite ridiculous sums of money out of unsuspecting members of the public. I think we'd all agree that we'd rather that money went to people who actually need it. Whether or not you can perceive of a motive for a headline that spectacularly misrepresents the facts, then presents anecdotes as 'evidence', is immaterial. The principal remains the same. What about next time? Is it ok to print a headline that says, 'Jews sacrifice Christian children'? After all, there's plenty of anecdotal evidence for that.And as for poor, slandered, MooseBreath - there*s his political ambitions gone for good.. I'm not discounting it as being true because the 'evidence' is anecdotal; it may well be true, I have really no idea how much these people get for begging. My point is that the headline stated as fact that beggars can earn £200 a day. There were no quotation marks to indicate that it was a quote, that wasn't apparent until you read the article, which many people won't. And thus it passes into folklaw. To accept that it's ok to manipulate public opinion with attention grabbing headlines stating speculation as fact is just a little Orwellian for me: not quite Ministry of Truth, granted, but heading in that direction. I'm not defending the beggars - I'll leave Ken to fight that battle - it's the wider implications of accepting the principal that concerns me.
Guest MattP Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 My mate kicked one on Saturday night for asking for cash. Bit out of order to be honest.
Dr The Singh Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 My mate kicked one on Saturday night for asking for cash. Bit out of order to be honest. I agree, in todays day and age all tramps should have pdq's
inckley fox Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 If you know the money is going towards drugs, but would prefer people to be asking you for it than mugging someone else then, if they ask you nicely, it's understandable. Nothing moral about it, I suppose. A bit like buying an alcoholic a pint. There was a group of smackheads who used to hang out in the subway in Colchester when I lived there. They were always pleasant, we'd have a chat at times. I'd give them next to nothing and they were very grateful. I did stop giving them money, though. And for a silly reason which I just felt was, or might be, symbolic of what was really going on: There was an especially fat woman with nothing apparently wrong with her, apart from morbid obesity of course, who was always begging outside Lidl, asking for the trolley money. I was very hard up at the time. One day I was in the store buying Panda Cola, or whatever, and she was standing next to me buying Coca Cola. And I thought, 'who needs help here?!' After that I decided not to bother again.
cambridgefox Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 My mate kicked one on Saturday night for asking for cash. Bit out of order to be honest.what,the asking for cash or kicking?
Dr The Singh Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 what,the asking for cash or kicking? Some tramps can be really abnoxious, I usually try to ignore them, but on a few occassions i've had to give a shoeing, which is sad!!
RonnieTodger Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 I sometimes give a quid or two to ones with dogs. Can't stand the shmack'eds that walk up to you and ask for a weird amount like 89p for "bus fare". On Saturday night, one scruffy twat with tinsel round his neck took ages to piss off because none of me or my mates gave him anything despite being "dressed like we earn a lot of bunce". Try not to strategically stand near cashpoints and you might earn a bit more sympathy.
AoWW Posted 22 December 2014 Posted 22 December 2014 I gave one a pair of socks once. Your old, putrid socks? Poor sod. I bet he wished you'd just kicked him instead.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 I don't feed the pigeons either PARKLIFE !
Guest MattP Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 what,the asking for cash or kicking? For asking for cash then being told no. Homeless guy then used c word and got a kick. Naughty homeless man.
filbertway Posted 23 December 2014 Posted 23 December 2014 For asking for cash then being told no. Homeless guy then used c word and got a kick. Naughty homeless man. Cheapskate?
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