sylofox Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 How do you know Pearson's targets werent just unrealistic? Or that AT THE TOP LEVEL, top level players dont want to come and play for him? No disrespect but your scenarios are both crap. Robinson has carried the can but its a bit ridiculous to say its his FAULT, they were working together. You may be right all I will add. Kramaric in his words summer target. (Now signed) Kawasaki or whatever his name. (Target in his words they tried to sign me in the summer) No disrespect but the above is fact that backs up my supposed bullshit theory. You just blame Nige but none of us know the inner workings of the club. But I do not for one minute think Top would have backed Nige knowing our situation was totally down to him. Your theory say's you think Top and co are mugs.
Clever Fox Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 We can argue, we can agree, and we can disagree. The fact is, that we are bottom of the Premiership, Surely that fact in itself makes a statement. If it isn't Pearson's fault, then just who is to blame? The players he brought in? The wrong formation? The team he picks? At the end of the day, we ALL know it's Pearson's fault, because he is paid mega bucks, to ensure we do well. That is the job of any manager. That sums it up nicely. The book always stops with the Boss. You only have to look at where Liverpool have come on in 3 Months. Now that's good Management. improvement can be achieved with any standard of players if there handled right.
Babylon Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Not bottom. There is no excuse for us being bottom considering how far clear we were of QPR and Burnley last season. None whatsoever. Bottom 6, fair enough. But we've woefully under-performed. That goes for the manager, the players as individuals and the team as whole. You keep saying this over and over again and I will will repeat this over and over again. We were behind both of those two teams for a very large chunk of last season. It's where you end up that matters, not where you are at Christmas, or In February. That sums it up nicely. The book always stops with the Boss. You only have to look at where Liverpool have come on in 3 Months. Now that's good Management. improvement can be achieved with any standard of players if there handled right. Sorry, what? You're comparing us to a team that's spent got knows how many millions over the last decade or so, let alone the last year or two.
Babylon Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Clever Fox, on 02 Feb 2015 - 3:44 PM, said: He was right to give the lads a chance from last season. Here's what I can't understand. 1. He didn't know his best team from the start of the season. We started the season with a load of injuries, some players came in and played well giving him a problem I'm not sure any of us thought we'd have. Schlupp and Hammond both had an impact early season probably changed his view (along with many of our own). He Had the whole Summer to get enough cover for each position. That's not the point you made, you said he didn't know his best team. I'm saying he couldn't start with his preferred team at the start of the season due to injuries. Certain players then came in and did very well, meaning the "best team" was no longer clear cut. Most city fans couldn't agree on what the best team is currently either. 2. His plan seemed to be to impose our game on other teams. When that didn't work no plan B in place.I'm not sure that's been the plan, quite often rightly or wrongly we set up to soak up pressure and his the oppo on the break. That's the way he approached the early games until we were found out. Now we use the midfield to protect the back four. Which is fine to a point but you then need wingers to allow time for the midfield to support the forwards. 3. Transfer activity poor in Summer despite saying he wanted out targets in early. Hard to pin on the manager alone. I accept your point but Burnley didn't suffer the same faith. Dyche seemed to get his targets in. 4. Clear refusal to play natural wingers on the wings which would help us get behind defenders and supply our forwards. despite having 5 at the club. Sorry, but utter utter nonsense. Burnley have been linked with and not signed just as many players as we have. Dyche like Pearson has repeatedly talked about it being hard to get players in and about missing out on targets due to costs etc and players not wanting to join a new premier league team. We more often than not play with two proper wingers, as we usually do under Pearson like last year. Only on two or three occasions has he shoved non wingers out there. We tried the diamond for a time but more often than not when available we go with wingers. No we don't , We use one winger Mahrez and hop Schlupp can get forward on the other side. Also Mahrez has to help out DeLaet at the start of the season. We need two wingers pushing up especially when we have the ball. Mahrez also wants to come inside too much on the right wing. Where he could go down the line on the left and Cross at times. So you now aren't classing Schlupp as a winger? Who are the 5 wingers then if he's not one, help me out? Wingers always have to help out the defence, they have a duel role, did Giggs. Beckham or Ronaldo and any of their other wingers not track back for united? 6. Failed to act decisively when it's been clear that DD and King are struggling at the moment. What should he have done? He knows we have James coming back along with Cambiasso and Hammond returning to fitness. When you have them all to choose from we have much better options player and formation wise. He had until nov to sign a loan player to shore up the midfield and up to now still hasn't. Most fans can see we need a creative influence in there. Why can't NP. We have 5 midfielders to choose from when all available, most people have only started bitching about the centre of midfield since Drinkwater and King came in for the last two games due to injury and suspension. I don't remember a load of people in November saying "buy a cm", in fact if I remember rightly people were saying that was our strongest position. 7. Made no improvements with Tactics or free Kicks, Corners. Both attacking or defending. 8. Failure to sign a creative midfielder knowing by now the others are struggling. 9. Not signing another LB to replace PK who is aging. 10. Failure to simply help the players to simply kick the ball better thereby improving our pass rate in turn possession and success. Pushing it a bit, if they can't pass it by now they never will. If anything the problem is lack of support for them to play an easy ball, rather than having to be speculative. In any profession nobody know everything. We seem to have a basic problem of just kicking the ball. We can't even take set pieces never mind passing. Now it's not difficult to resolve but it needs attention. Real good coaches spot these deficiencies and help the players to improve this aspect of their game. It's clear our coaches are not. You are talking about professional footballs, if they can't pass the ball in a straight line they wouldn't be at this level. The problem is having someone to pass to. Set pieces (again not what you originally said) are a different story as you have the delivery and the movement in the box, neither of which is good enough. 11. I also worry his laid back attitude is transferring to the players which is not a good sign. This attitude is usually praised by professionals in the game. Calm when we win, calm when we lose, for me is the best way to be. That's true, but if the manager doesn't transfer an energy to the team on match days then very often they'll behave in a similar. you have to get players on their toes oan not their heels on match days. You don't know what he does to get the players going, we had an incredible second half record last year. So he was obviously doing something right at half time to get people going.
Clever Fox Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 No I'm just making the point that if coached properly players at any level can improve. that's all nothing about how good they are to begin with.
smudgerfox Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 I think it is fair to question the transfer record of NFP. And if you want to do that look no further than the final few minutes of the last transfer window when he brought in Powell and Lawrence. Now, and I said this at the time, these were exciting signings - talented young players looking to make the step up with a lot of people saying they were ready. But they weren't remotely what we needed. Left back, centre back, defensive centre midfield were all positions where better options were required and yet we ended up with yet another "number 10" of potential and wide player. This had the worst possible effect of reducing opportunities for the likes of Knockaert and Albrighton with no discernible improvement on the pitch. Powell couldn't be bothered to turn up for training (I thought we were hot on checking out character of potential recruits) and Lawrence is no further forward in his desire to establish himself in the Premiership. Pointless transfer activity expended on the wrong part of the team t
MC Prussian Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Well it looks like another disappointing window, would like at least one more in, preferably a left back, but looks like Pearson plan is to go with what we have got. Maybe the club are doing the right thing, relegation is looking more than realistic, no point breaking the bank, and save the money to pay the wage bills in the championship. Relegation is looking "more than realistic"?What's "more than realistic" exactly? 5D technology? At which stage during your day today did you come to the conclusion that at this moment in time, looking at the current table, a three-point margin to 17th with plenty if games to go is something worth moaning about?
sylofox Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 No I'm just making the point that if coached properly players at any level can improve. that's all nothing about how good they are to begin with. Yes and I would think most have. The problem is the jump is not one rung of the ladder it is 3 or 4. Vardy a little like Dyer pace not a great lots else and like Dyer heart (but not upto it) atm A lot of the other players are young and you can coach what you like but you learn more playing. Most said our squad would do it but sorry we needed to hit the ground running. Our squad was never going to do that over a season. But I do think they have grown and with additions still think we will stay up.
Clever Fox Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 He was right to give the lads a chance from last season. Here's what I can't understand. 1. He didn't know his best team from the start of the season. We started the season with a load of injuries, some players came in and played well giving him a problem I'm not sure any of us thought we'd have. Schlupp and Hammond both had an impact early season probably changed his view (along with many of our own). He Had the whole Summer to get enough cover for each position. That's not the point you made, you said he didn't know his best team. I'm saying he couldn't start with his preferred team at the start of the season due to injuries. Certain players then came in and did very well, meaning the "best team" was no longer clear cut. Most city fans couldn't agree on what the best team is currently either. You've just answered my point. He should know what he'll get from each player. that's what pre season is about. 2. His plan seemed to be to impose our game on other teams. When that didn't work no plan B in place.I'm not sure that's been the plan, quite often rightly or wrongly we set up to soak up pressure and his the oppo on the break. That's the way he approached the early games until we were found out. Now we use the midfield to protect the back four. Which is fine to a point but you then need wingers to allow time for the midfield to support the forwards. 3. Transfer activity poor in Summer despite saying he wanted out targets in early. Hard to pin on the manager alone. I accept your point but Burnley didn't suffer the same faith. Dyche seemed to get his targets in. 4. Clear refusal to play natural wingers on the wings which would help us get behind defenders and supply our forwards. despite having 5 at the club. Sorry, but utter utter nonsense. Burnley have been linked with and not signed just as many players as we have. Dyche like Pearson has repeatedly talked about it being hard to get players in and about missing out on targets due to costs etc and players not wanting to join a new premier league team. Burnley where starting from a much lower base than us financially and still managed to sign experienced players. Yes I understand the difficulty of signing certain targets. We more often than not play with two proper wingers, as we usually do under Pearson like last year. Only on two or three occasions has he shoved non wingers out there. We tried the diamond for a time but more often than not when available we go with wingers. No we don't , We use one winger Mahrez and hop Schlupp can get forward on the other side. Also Mahrez has to help out DeLaet at the start of the season. We need two wingers pushing up especially when we have the ball. Mahrez also wants to come inside too much on the right wing. Where he could go down the line on the left and Cross at times. So you now aren't classing Schlupp as a winger? Who are the 5 wingers then if he's not one, help me out? Wingers always have to help out the defence, they have a duel role, did Giggs. Beckham or Ronaldo and any of their other wingers not track back for united? Giggs did Ronaldo and Beckham didn't which was the cause of the famous Boot incident with Ferguson. Schlupp is being used as an old fashioned Wing Back. would a better balance be to use Mahrez on the left his natural side. with Schlupp in support and Albrighton on the right with DeLaet behind. Trying to stretch the Defence and Firing in crosses when possible. 6. Failed to act decisively when it's been clear that DD and King are struggling at the moment. What should he have done? He knows we have James coming back along with Cambiasso and Hammond returning to fitness. When you have them all to choose from we have much better options player and formation wise. He had until nov to sign a loan player to shore up the midfield and up to now still hasn't. Most fans can see we need a creative influence in there. Why can't NP. We have 5 midfielders to choose from when all available, most people have only started bitching about the centre of midfield since Drinkwater and King came in for the last two games due to injury and suspension. I don't remember a load of people in November saying "buy a cm", in fact if I remember rightly people were saying that was our strongest position. I'm sorry but I could see the faults and limitations of certain players. But then I've been at this game for a long time in all capacities. You've heard the term a solid spine. Where's ours. With the exception of Hammond we have no solid base in the midfield. Why couldn't we sign someone like Sisoko of Newcastle. Those type of players are there. you just have find them. Quality always sells. As proven by Mahrez particularly. What we don't know is the terms NP is working too as nobody has said. maybe he's working on a 3 year plan which would maybe give some credence for his actions. I have seen situations where you persevere knowing and waiting for certain players to come good. Maybe that's the reason he's continuing with certain players like Vardy to just name one.
Torten Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 So the January transfer window is now all but closed and we still have Konchesky for a LB.
Clever Fox Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Yes and I would think most have. The problem is the jump is not one rung of the ladder it is 3 or 4. Vardy a little like Dyer pace not a great lots else and like Dyer heart (but not upto it) atm A lot of the other players are young and you can coach what you like but you learn more playing. Most said our squad would do it but sorry we needed to hit the ground running. Our squad was never going to do that over a season. But I do think they have grown and with additions still think we will stay up. Sorry but you're wrong. Dyer knew where the Goal was when he got a chance. Vardy is only guilty of trying too hard and snatching at any chance that comes his way. playing him out of position is not his fault. Players learn in different ways. Some develop on their own others just need a little help and others need a lot of help. Some learn more by watching from the stand where they can see what's needed. Some you have to walk them through what you want on the training ground. Yes we are getting better in some ways but the lessons are costing us dearly in points. I never expected us to coast through this season but I didn't expect the level of errors from the manager were starting to see regularly.
Monsell1976 Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Relegation is looking "more than realistic"? What's "more than realistic" exactly? 5D technology? At which stage during your day today did you come to the conclusion that at this moment in time, looking at the current table, a three-point margin to 17th with plenty if games to go is something worth moaning about? So being bottom for a long period, not finding any consistent results, I would say it's realistic to say relegation is looking more than likely come the end of the season.Look you may live in this bubble, who cannot see that things don't look good, but I gave my opinion, and anybody who thinks relegation is not more Likely is delusional. I read your post defending Pearson and trying to shoot down anybody who dare not have faith in what's going on, but I accept that it's your opinion, and don't feel the need to be sarcastic to disagree with your points. I cannot believe how poor our results have been and we are still 3 points off safety, but that's down to the poor teams around us getting poor results, but we still haven't made any headway in closing that gap, and barring hull have been beaten by these teams, and yes we beat villa, but they beat us aswell. So all in all call me negative all you like, I call it realism
Strokes Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Not bottom. There is no excuse for us being bottom considering how far clear we were of QPR and Burnley last season. None whatsoever. Bottom 6, fair enough. But we've woefully under-performed. That goes for the manager, the players as individuals and the team as whole.We haven't woefully under performed, we are still close to our rivals and have a chance. That's all I wanted from the season, to be in with a shout of survival. I'm disappointed a few individuals haven't yet made a decent impact but overall I'm happy that we are making a fist of it. Anyone who says different had dilusional expectations in the first place.
Clever Fox Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 No one really expected us to be top half this season but had a reasonable expectation that we would hold on to the gap between QPR and Burnley. That hasn't happened and we're really being spared some embarrassment by the collapse of others Mainly Hull, Villa and Qpr. Lets all hope NP does manage to pull of the great escape.
Babylon Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 He was right to give the lads a chance from last season. Here's what I can't understand. 1. He didn't know his best team from the start of the season. We started the season with a load of injuries, some players came in and played well giving him a problem I'm not sure any of us thought we'd have. Schlupp and Hammond both had an impact early season probably changed his view (along with many of our own). He Had the whole Summer to get enough cover for each position. That's not the point you made, you said he didn't know his best team. I'm saying he couldn't start with his preferred team at the start of the season due to injuries. Certain players then came in and did very well, meaning the "best team" was no longer clear cut. Most city fans couldn't agree on what the best team is currently either. You've just answered my point. He should know what he'll get from each player. that's what pre season is about. How could he possibly know exactly who would or wouldn't step up. Few on here would have predicted Schlupp or Hammond making the impact they have. I repeat again, you said he didn't know his best team from the start of the season. I say he did but that changed after the injuries and after peoples none of us expected to step up did. 2. His plan seemed to be to impose our game on other teams. When that didn't work no plan B in place. I'm not sure that's been the plan, quite often rightly or wrongly we set up to soak up pressure and his the oppo on the break. That's the way he approached the early games until we were found out. Now we use the midfield to protect the back four. Which is fine to a point but you then need wingers to allow time for the midfield to support the forwards. 3. Transfer activity poor in Summer despite saying he wanted out targets in early. Hard to pin on the manager alone. I accept your point but Burnley didn't suffer the same faith. Dyche seemed to get his targets in. 4. Clear refusal to play natural wingers on the wings which would help us get behind defenders and supply our forwards. despite having 5 at the club. Sorry, but utter utter nonsense. Burnley have been linked with and not signed just as many players as we have. Dyche like Pearson has repeatedly talked about it being hard to get players in and about missing out on targets due to costs etc and players not wanting to join a new premier league team. Burnley where starting from a much lower base than us financially and still managed to sign experienced players. Yes I understand the difficulty of signing certain targets. We managed to sign players as well? Saying you think the summer was poor is one thing, making Burnley out to be an example to follow is something else. Other than Boyd hardly any of there other summer signings even play that often. Sordell, 2 starts. Reid, 1 start. Kightly, 6 starts, Chalobah, 0 Starts, Jutkiewicz 9 starts (0 goals), Matt Taylor, 3 starts. The only one other than Boyd to make an impact is Keane with 11 starts. We more often than not play with two proper wingers, as we usually do under Pearson like last year. Only on two or three occasions has he shoved non wingers out there. We tried the diamond for a time but more often than not when available we go with wingers. No we don't , We use one winger Mahrez and hop Schlupp can get forward on the other side. Also Mahrez has to help out DeLaet at the start of the season. We need two wingers pushing up especially when we have the ball. Mahrez also wants to come inside too much on the right wing. Where he could go down the line on the left and Cross at times. So you now aren't classing Schlupp as a winger? Who are the 5 wingers then if he's not one, help me out? Wingers always have to help out the defence, they have a duel role, did Giggs. Beckham or Ronaldo and any of their other wingers not track back for united? Giggs did Ronaldo and Beckham didn't which was the cause of the famous Boot incident with Ferguson. Schlupp is being used as an old fashioned Wing Back. would a better balance be to use Mahrez on the left his natural side. with Schlupp in support and Albrighton on the right with DeLaet behind. Trying to stretch the Defence and Firing in crosses when possible. Ronaldo and Beckham both work their arses off for the team and weren't just attacking show ponies. Schlupp a wingback? He's playing left wing, no more no less. 6. Failed to act decisively when it's been clear that DD and King are struggling at the moment. What should he have done? He knows we have James coming back along with Cambiasso and Hammond returning to fitness. When you have them all to choose from we have much better options player and formation wise. He had until nov to sign a loan player to shore up the midfield and up to now still hasn't. Most fans can see we need a creative influence in there. Why can't NP. We have 5 midfielders to choose from when all available, most people have only started bitching about the centre of midfield since Drinkwater and King came in for the last two games due to injury and suspension. I don't remember a load of people in November saying "buy a cm", in fact if I remember rightly people were saying that was our strongest position. I'm sorry but I could see the faults and limitations of certain players. But then I've been at this game for a long time in all capacities. Perhaps I missed your posts in November then. You've heard the term a solid spine. Where's ours. With the exception of Hammond we have no solid base in the midfield. Why couldn't we sign someone like Sisoko of Newcastle. Those type of players are there. you just have find them. Quality always sells. As proven by Mahrez particularly. What we don't know is the terms NP is working too as nobody has said. maybe he's working on a 3 year plan which would maybe give some credence for his actions. I have seen situations where you persevere knowing and waiting for certain players to come good. Maybe that's the reason he's continuing with certain players like Vardy to just name one.
Babylon Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 No one really expected us to be top half this season but had a reasonable expectation that we would hold on to the gap between QPR and Burnley. Again, they were both ahead of us for a very large chunk of last season also. It's where you end up that matters, not December, or February.
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Clever Fox, on 02 Feb 2015 - 3:44 PM, said: Bloody Hell, have you nowt better to do?
Dr The Singh Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 No one really expected us to be top half this season but had a reasonable expectation that we would hold on to the gap between QPR and Burnley. That hasn't happened and we're really being spared some embarrassment by the collapse of others Mainly Hull, Villa and Qpr. Lets all hope NP does manage to pull of the great escape. There were loads of people on this forum talking about mid table, bigging up drinky, James, Knocky etc. I wish it was so true. Reality is were bottom, we all live and hope, Saturday is massive
Babylon Posted 3 February 2015 Posted 3 February 2015 Bloody Hell, have you nowt better to do? About as much as you seemingly.
Bettsj2 Posted 3 February 2015 Posted 3 February 2015 About as much as you seemingly. At least we're all back to one text colour.
Babylon Posted 3 February 2015 Posted 3 February 2015 At least we're all back to one text colour. Don't count your chickens
RonnieTodger Posted 3 February 2015 Posted 3 February 2015 Not sure how to post it but Alistair McGowan's impression of Pearson's transfer plan is great https://twitter.com/btsportfootball3rd tweet down
Fox4ever76 Posted 3 February 2015 Posted 3 February 2015 Can you think of a player available he could have signed? thats what scouts are for
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