Mark_w Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 1. He didn't know his best team from the start of the season. I've never gotten this one, the majority of our squad hadn't played in the Premier League before, of course he had to see them at this level before he could come to that conclusion. I'd have been irate if he'd just gone with our best eleven from last season (Kasper, De Laet, Moore, Morgan, Schlupp, Knockaert, James, Drinkwater, Mahrez, Nugent, Vardy) and not given others, like Wasilewski and Hammond a chance to prove themselves. What most of us would have called our best team at the start of the season wouldn't have included many of our stand out players this season.
Babylon Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Some fair points... a few things. He was right to give the lads a chance from last season. Here's what I can't understand. 1. He didn't know his best team from the start of the season. We started the season with a load of injuries, some players came in and played well giving him a problem I'm not sure any of us thought we'd have. Schlupp and Hammond both had an impact early season probably changed his view (along with many of our own). 2. His plan seemed to be to impose our game on other teams. When that didn't work no plan B in place.I'm not sure that's been the plan, quite often rightly or wrongly we set up to soak up pressure and his the oppo on the break. 3. Transfer activity poor in Summer despite saying he wanted out targets in early. Hard to pin on the manager alone. 4. Clear refusal to play natural wingers on the wings which would help us get behind defenders and supply our forwards. despite having 5 at the club. We more often than not play with two proper wingers, as we usually do under Pearson like last year. Only on two or three occasions has he shoved non wingers out there. We tried the diamond for a time but more often than not when available we go with wingers. 6. Failed to act decisively when it's been clear that DD and King are struggling at the moment. What should he have done? He knows we have James coming back along with Cambiasso and Hammond returning to fitness. When you have them all to choose from we have much better options player and formation wise. 7. Made no improvements with Tactics or free Kicks, Corners. Both attacking or defending. 8. Failure to sign a creative midfielder knowing by now the others are struggling. 9. Not signing another LB to replace PK who is aging. 10. Failure to simply help the players to simply kick the ball better thereby improving our pass rate in turn possession and success. Pushing it a bit, if they can't pass it by now they never will. If anything the problem is lack of support for them to play an easy ball, rather than having to be speculative. 11. I also worry his laid back attitude is transferring to the players which is not a good sign. This attitude is usually praised by professionals in the game. Calm when we win, calm when we lose, for me is the best way to be. Do I think he's a good manager, Yes definitely which is why I cannot understand his approach or lack of to these errors. Are Burnley doing better which seems who we measure ourselves by. Yes, because they signed the players to improve the area's that needed improving. I'm urging Nigel to get on top and make things happen. It's what we all want.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Money is there yes, are the players that want to join though? would you prefer Peter Taylor's (cvnt) or Sven's recruitment policy? Any special case can go out and sign players on stupid wages. this is how we end up with the likes of Denis Wise and Martin Keown. Signing quality players for first of all the right price and second of all on the right wages is not easy, they all want to play for Chelsea or just end up at QPR on 70k a week. Pearson also has very little to do with the actual signing of players and nothing at all to do with contract negotiations, players and agents also change their mind every 5 mins, they think they may have signed someone, only to have the agent phone up again and demand (silly example) 3000 green M&M'S in a shoe box. You also not only have to deal with the agent and the player,who may have a wife that dont want to live in Leicester (a la Beckham), they may have children who are settled at a school, you may also have to deal the players dad/uncle/friend, who ever else he confides in. Signing a player is not as straightforward in real life. As a minimum purchasing a left back, or maybe a centre half as well, under 30 years of age whose best years are not behind them, I would have thought would be a pretty do-able task. Given our circumstances at the end of last season.Add to that we knew we were to be promoted in April, and we are operating with a PL budget. Almost the whole world was our oyster in terms of recruiting new blood (players the world over want to play in this league). We won the league doing handstands last season playing attacking attractive football, and with a full house guaranteed every week this. We are to believe that nobody better than what we had would give us the time of day? How, and why, pray tell, did they not make the signings required? It has to be complete incompetence from the management not to get this sorted out - not now! In the summer ffs!
Mark_w Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 As a minimum purchasing a left back, or maybe a centre half as well, under 30 years of age whose best years are not behind them, I would have thought would be a pretty do-able task. Given our circumstances at the end of last season. Add to that we knew we were to be promoted in April, and we are operating with a PL budget. Almost the whole world was our oyster in terms of recruiting new blood (players the world over want to play in this league). We won the league doing handstands last season playing attacking attractive football, and with a full house guaranteed every week this. We are to believe that nobody better than what we had would give us the time of day? How, and why, pray tell, did they not make the signings required? It has to be complete incompetence from the management not to get this sorted out - not now! In the summer ffs! Or maybe the issue is the manager was seemingly only able to spend £10,000,000 in the summer and almost all of that had to go on the only player we have who has seemed capable of scoring semi-regularly in the Premier League.
Donut Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Or maybe the issue is the manager was seemingly only able to spend £10,000,000 in the summer and almost all of that had to go on the only player we have who has seemed capable of scoring semi-regularly in the Premier League. He should have done a Dyche in that case, been honest about the money situaton, used the lack of spending to galvanise those already here?
Mark_w Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 He should have done a Dyche in that case, been honest about the money situaton, used the lack of spending to galvanise those already here? Ugh, I think we should be delighted that he's never looked like 'doing a Dyche'.
Donut Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Ugh, I think we should be delighted that he's never looked like 'doing a Dyche'. I dont mean literally doing a Dyche in the same way, but we could have clarity over why people do/do not come. Not the blanket "were not talking about transfers. Ever" line that comes out all the time
cc_star Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 As a minimum purchasing a left back, or maybe a centre half as well, under 30 years of age whose best years are not behind them, I would have thought would be a pretty do-able task. Given our circumstances at the end of last season. Add to that we knew we were to be promoted in April, and we are operating with a PL budget. Almost the whole world was our oyster in terms of recruiting new blood (players the world over want to play in this league). We won the league doing handstands last season playing attacking attractive football, and with a full house guaranteed every week this. We are to believe that nobody better than what we had would give us the time of day? How, and why, pray tell, did they not make the signings required? It has to be complete incompetence from the management not to get this sorted out - not now! In the summer ffs! Well, why would you replace them all then? All evidence points to only a couple of additions needed, which with the addition of Ulloa, Albrighton, Cambiasso (who we had every right to expect a lot more from) & Upson along with fleshing the squad out with Lawrence & Powell we'd have more than enough in our locker to stay up Being bottom in January is the most harmful aspect of trying to strengthen with players who are better than what we have. That very costly 13 game run we had was pretty freaky, there is nobody who could see that coming, even woeful teams that go down with near-record low points usually grab a win along the way as the ball bounces off someone's arse or something, whereas we were generally competitive in all of them However, since then (until the Utd 1st half shambles) we've been much improved and are back in touch and despite our league position caused by that run I think we've got more about us than Villa, Hull, Burnley and maybe QPR too... someone from the bottom always rises up and someone from the lower mid always slides We can do it
Mark_w Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 I dont mean literally doing a Dyche in the same way, but we could have clarity over why people do/do not come. Not the blanket "were not talking about transfers. Ever" line that comes out all the time I don't see what purpose that would serve?
fuchsntf Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 He was right to give the lads a chance from last season. Here's what I can't understand. 1. He didn't know his best team from the start of the season. 2. His plan seemed to be to impose our game on other teams. When that didn't work no plan B in place. 3. Transfer activity poor in Summer despite saying he wanted out targets in early. 4. Clear refusal to play natural wingers on the wings which would help us get behind defenders and supply our forwards. despite having 5 at the club. 6. Failed to act decisively when it's been clear that DD and King are struggling at the moment. 7. Made no improvements with Tactics or free Kicks, Corners. Both attacking or defending. 8. Failure to sign a creative midfielder knowing by now the others are struggling. 9. Not signing another LB to replace PK who is aging. 10. Failure to simply help the players to simply kick the ball better thereby improving our pass rate in turn possession and success. 11. I also worry his laid back attitude is transferring to the players which is not a good sign. Do I think he's a good manager, Yes definitely which is why I cannot understand his approach or lack of to these errors. Are Burnley doing better which seems who we measure ourselves by. Yes, because they signed the players to improve the area's that needed improving. I'm urging Nigel to get on top and make things happen. It's what we all want. cant argue on opinions, everyone has their own, but again pt 1, shows illogical process.NP had Injuries with his top Backbone players from last season, which ran well upto the 10th game, plus not one has shown either form or their capabilties of holding out in the PL.Our ex dynamic midfield havent been able to give any service to our front men, and decent cover to our defence. pt 3, wasted comment, nobody knows what or who the management tried to do or get, and why it failed .Plus clubs like city have always struggled, especially in the modern markets.You cant just click your fingers and players die to get to the KP. Fans use the easy get out ,for their 1st critic.Then make any other opinions as controversial and unknowing. Comparing transfer movement gain as said is illogical, no fan can know what consequences or events happening behind the scenes.
Donut Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 I don't see what purpose that would serve? Stop negative posts and ramblings from fans expecting more business. Let everyone know where we stand.
Mark_w Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Stop negative posts and ramblings from fans expecting more business. Let everyone know where we stand. It wouldn't stop negatives from fans though. If he said 'we don't have the money to strengthen every position we need to' then people would use that to complain that he's preparing his excuses already plus it would be more likely to create a general negative atmosphere around the place as we'd feel the owners aren't as ambitious as we'd like them to be. It's a lose lose situation really. Of course there's also every chance that we have the money but couldn't push deals through, in which case making that public wouldn't be helpful and Pearson obviously doesn't like talking about other clubs players which strikes me as being fair enough.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Well, why would you replace them all then? All evidence points to only a couple of additions needed, which with the addition of Ulloa, Albrighton, Cambiasso (who we had every right to expect a lot more from) & Upson along with fleshing the squad out with Lawrence & Powell we'd have more than enough in our locker to stay up Being bottom in January is the most harmful aspect of trying to strengthen with players who are better than what we have. That very costly 13 game run we had was pretty freaky, there is nobody who could see that coming, even woeful teams that go down with near-record low points usually grab a win along the way as the ball bounces off someone's arse or something, whereas we were generally competitive in all of them However, since then (until the Utd 1st half shambles) we've been much improved and are back in touch and despite our league position caused by that run I think we've got more about us than Villa, Hull, Burnley and maybe QPR too... someone from the bottom always rises up and someone from the lower mid always slides We can do it I didn't say we should have replaced all of them. We should have added more than Ulloa as a likely starter to those who played last year. Improving the starting 11, not the bench if you like. Yes Cambiasso I think was what we were looking for - I won't deny that, but as you say, he's not what we hoped he might be. My point was more in terms decent defenders to replace Konch who even last season was struggling to keep tabs on wingers. Huth has now arrived to hopefully depose woeful Wes - but 6 months too late. If we had back up Wes should have been given a rest at least a month ago but we had no options. Not enough quality signings were made. That's my point. And I just don't think there can be valid excuses for not getting that part of the job done. On your other point I saw nothing from Powell, or more recently from Lawrence to suggest at the moment either are ready, or more to the point good enough for this league. That of course may change over time, but time is a commodity we have precious little of left. No excuse for the starting 11 being as thin as it is in terms of quality imo. (see earlier post)
LAprice_ Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Serious question; apart from vs West Ham, when has Paul Konchesky cost us a game? Yes, he makes mistakes, I'm sure most people would if he had most of his own fans on his back all the time. We need a new left back. Get a new left back. I'm appalled we don't have a new left back. Sign a new left back. Almost every thread seems to feature a variation of the "get a new left-back" line. We DO NOT need a new left back. Signing an over-priced left back in January to come in and play 17 games shows real desperation. What do we expect, for us to sign a wannabe Baines who will score loads of goals and save our season? There's no hiding away from the fact that Paul Konchesky is ageing, then again, his stamina is still immensely impressive - but we don't need to go out and "replace" him now. We can wait until the summer. Maybe we should have improved last summer but the fact that we didn't is not the reason why we're in 20th.
I blame Wellens Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Reading thread title really optimistic our Nige had an idea. How silly of me. Ah well back to the forum to see which player is getting the abuse from our fans today.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 We can argue, we can agree, and we can disagree. The fact is, that we are bottom of the Premiership, Surely that fact in itself makes a statement. If it isn't Pearson's fault, then just who is to blame? The players he brought in? The wrong formation? The team he picks? At the end of the day, we ALL know it's Pearson's fault, because he is paid mega bucks, to ensure we do well. That is the job of any manager.
Strokes Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 We can argue, we can agree, and we can disagree. The fact is, that we are bottom of the Premiership, Surely that fact in itself makes a statement. If it isn't Pearson's fault, then just who is to blame? The players he brought in? The wrong formation? The team he picks? At the end of the day, we ALL know it's Pearson's fault, because he is paid mega bucks, to ensure we do well. That is the job of any manager. Where did you expect us to be in February?
Kitchandro Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Serious question; apart from vs West Ham, when has Paul Konchesky cost us a game? Yes, he makes mistakes, I'm sure most people would if he had most of his own fans on his back all the time. We need a new left back. Get a new left back. I'm appalled we don't have a new left back. Sign a new left back. Almost every thread seems to feature a variation of the "get a new left-back" line. We DO NOT need a new left back. Signing an over-priced left back in January to come in and play 17 games shows real desperation. What do we expect, for us to sign a wannabe Baines who will score loads of goals and save our season? There's no hiding away from the fact that Paul Konchesky is ageing, then again, his stamina is still immensely impressive - but we don't need to go out and "replace" him now. We can wait until the summer. Maybe we should have improved last summer but the fact that we didn't is not the reason why we're in 20th. So because a player doesn't single handedly cost you a game that makes him good enough? He's just consistently lacking the quality required. His poor play contributes to poor results. That doesn't mean he scores own goals every week (that's Wes' job), it means he's an obvious weakness.
Kitchandro Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Where did you expect us to be in February? Not bottom. There is no excuse for us being bottom considering how far clear we were of QPR and Burnley last season. None whatsoever. Bottom 6, fair enough. But we've woefully under-performed. That goes for the manager, the players as individuals and the team as whole.
NewburyFox Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Serious question; apart from vs West Ham, when has Paul Konchesky cost us a game? Yes, he makes mistakes, I'm sure most people would if he had most of his own fans on his back all the time. We need a new left back. Get a new left back. I'm appalled we don't have a new left back. Sign a new left back. Almost every thread seems to feature a variation of the "get a new left-back" line. We DO NOT need a new left back. Signing an over-priced left back in January to come in and play 17 games shows real desperation. What do we expect, for us to sign a wannabe Baines who will score loads of goals and save our season? There's no hiding away from the fact that Paul Konchesky is ageing, then again, his stamina is still immensely impressive - but we don't need to go out and "replace" him now. We can wait until the summer. Maybe we should have improved last summer but the fact that we didn't is not the reason why we're in 20th. If Cisse hadn't sliced into the side netting instead of tapping into an open goal, he would've cost us at Newcastle. He's prone to lapses of concentration but on the whole defensively he doesn't bother me. It's the fact that he has no technical ability and contributes pretty much nothing going forward (excluding his goal at Villa.) He can't cross and when he gets the ball, the vast majority of the time he will just pump it long. It was a weak spot last season (so much so that Schlupp was first choice there for a while) so quite why we've gone into a Premier League season with him as our first choice LB I have no idea. I gather we wanted Cresswell, but there should've been alternatives as he was never going to choose us with West Ham interested. You're right, he's not the primary reason we're bottom, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look to replace him with someone better.
Matt Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Well, we're fooked. Annoying because points wise we're not far away, 3 points but with this team we're miles away. We will not be getting out of this sorry mess without strengthening. These players are simply not good enough. I feel NP is shooting himself in the foot - this is pretty much the first time I'm seriously questioning NP, ok in the past I've questioned him team selection and why certain players are playing but he only had those certain players and his disposal at that point, there are no excuses now.
Monsell1976 Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Well it looks like another disappointing window, would like at least one more in, preferably a left back, but looks like Pearson plan is to go with what we have got. Maybe the club are doing the right thing, relegation is looking more than realistic, no point breaking the bank, and save the money to pay the wage bills in the championship.
Clever Fox Posted 2 February 2015 Posted 2 February 2015 Clever Fox, on 02 Feb 2015 - 3:44 PM, said: He was right to give the lads a chance from last season. Here's what I can't understand. 1. He didn't know his best team from the start of the season. We started the season with a load of injuries, some players came in and played well giving him a problem I'm not sure any of us thought we'd have. Schlupp and Hammond both had an impact early season probably changed his view (along with many of our own).He Had the whole Summer to get enough cover for each position. 2. His plan seemed to be to impose our game on other teams. When that didn't work no plan B in place.I'm not sure that's been the plan, quite often rightly or wrongly we set up to soak up pressure and his the oppo on the break. That's the way he approached the early games until we were found out. Now we use the midfield to protect the back four. Which is fine to a point but you then need wingers to allow time for the midfield to support the forwards. 3. Transfer activity poor in Summer despite saying he wanted out targets in early. Hard to pin on the manager alone. I accept your point but Burnley didn't suffer the same faith. Dyche seemed to get his targets in. 4. Clear refusal to play natural wingers on the wings which would help us get behind defenders and supply our forwards. despite having 5 at the club. We more often than not play with two proper wingers, as we usually do under Pearson like last year. Only on two or three occasions has he shoved non wingers out there. We tried the diamond for a time but more often than not when available we go with wingers. No we don't , We use one winger Mahrez and hop Schlupp can get forward on the other side. Also Mahrez has to help out DeLaet at the start of the season. We need two wingers pushing up especially when we have the ball. Mahrez also wants to come inside too much on the right wing. Where he could go down the line on the left and Cross at times. 6. Failed to act decisively when it's been clear that DD and King are struggling at the moment. What should he have done? He knows we have James coming back along with Cambiasso and Hammond returning to fitness. When you have them all to choose from we have much better options player and formation wise. He had until nov to sign a loan player to shore up the midfield and up to now still hasn't. Most fans can see we need a creative influence in there. Why can't NP. 7. Made no improvements with Tactics or free Kicks, Corners. Both attacking or defending. 8. Failure to sign a creative midfielder knowing by now the others are struggling. 9. Not signing another LB to replace PK who is aging. 10. Failure to simply help the players to simply kick the ball better thereby improving our pass rate in turn possession and success. Pushing it a bit, if they can't pass it by now they never will. If anything the problem is lack of support for them to play an easy ball, rather than having to be speculative. In any profession nobody know everything. We seem to have a basic problem of just kicking the ball. We can't even take set pieces never mind passing. Now it's not difficult to resolve but it needs attention. Real good coaches spot these deficiencies and help the players to improve this aspect of their game. It's clear our coaches are not. 11. I also worry his laid back attitude is transferring to the players which is not a good sign. This attitude is usually praised by professionals in the game. Calm when we win, calm when we lose, for me is the best way to be. That's true, but if the manager doesn't transfer an energy to the team on match days then very often they'll behave in a similar. you have to get players on their toes oan not their heels on match days. I really want him to be a top manager. But top managers get more out of players by using every trick in the book to get the best from players. some it's one to one tuition. Others it's tuition and an arm around the shoulder. Others it's a Bollocking. there's no one single method. Equally players are not stupid, they see through a manager as to his limitations pretty quickly. Selections that don't make sense like playing a RB who at present doesn't think is good enough asking him to play LB. When we have decent LB available. But we'll keep the faith.
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