Honestly..who can defend Pearson now

[Guest MattP]

The point was that I told you we'd had a bad run prior to the appalling one at the end of the season and that everyone had forgotten it.

That run was slightly better than relegation form so sorry but I'm right, 2 poor runs in one season, yes we had great runs as well but I mentioned a lack of consistency as well.

It's mid table form that. Not slightly better than relegation form.

To have 2 relegation form runs in one season and still make the play offs shows how exceptional we were outside them.

[st albans fox]

this is getting more than pedantic and trust me, i know all about that !

 

we only had one really poor run that season and that was after the fa cup replay.  the significant fact was that the manager showed no capability to turn it around. we stumbled into the play offs and then made a decent fist of the watford tie.  had we struggled beginning last season, im sure he would have been sacked. instead we had the season of our lives.

 

never forgotten that run though.

[Harry - LCFC]

The run in question 2013 being

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don't recall ever seeing pearson being asked how he never got to grips with the sudden loss of form in that period. We took 15 points from 17 games from second position.

 

He did at the end. It irritates me that people include our last six games in the bad run.

 

We took 9 points from 6 (play off form) against teams who all finished in the top half, four of which were playing well at the time. Maybe it's an oversight but I don't know how anyone can argue that we were poor in the very late stages of the 12/13 season. Pearson and the players turned it around and got us over the line.

[st albans fox]

He did at the end. It irritates me that people include our last six games in the bad run.

 

We took 9 points from 6 (play off form) against teams who all finished in the top half, four of which were playing well at the time. Maybe it's an oversight but I don't know how anyone can argue that we were poor in the very late stages of the 12/13 season. Pearson and the players turned it around and got us over the line.

 

if i hadnt icluded the last six games, would have been 6 from 11 and i would have been accused of cherry picking the worst run - what did change it in april then. did he change the formation, the personnel. what was it ? i cant remember. was it just luck ?

[Harry - LCFC]

if i hadnt icluded the last six games, would have been 6 from 11 and i would have been accused of cherry picking the worst run - what did change it in april then. did he change the formation, the personnel. what was it ? i cant remember. was it just luck ?

 

Do you really hate him that much that you're unwilling to credit him for turning it around?

 

Lets have it right, you don't fluke your way to 9 good points against the teams we played. It doesn't happen. You have to perform well and we did. He made big changes at Brighton and I'd say it was that performance that kicked us into gear. Matty James came back into the team as I recall too. Good man management probably played a part too in lifting the players.

 

The eleven game run was awful, it really was, but I'd prefer it if we didn't extend it to something it wasn't.

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

To answer your question...I don't think it's an issue at all.

Relegation is relegation whoever your manager is, whichever club it is.

Why does it matter that Villa, West Brom and Palace are 'established Prem clubs'?

Who cares?

Those three clubs took the tough decision to replace their managers. So could we have done.

It's probably going to work for them. So actually, hats off to all three. They had the bollox to do it. To make a change. To roll the dice. Survival wasn't assured for any of them..but they didn't sit on their backsides and do nothing. They acted.

We could have acted. We didn't. You and plenty of others said we shouldn't. AND, unless we survive by the skin of our teeth (still possible), you, others and the Board have made a mistake.

If we now finally go down, make no bones about it, it would have been a BIG mistake.

Financially it has huge implications to the club. To the fans, we would have to accept that after ten years, we've put up hardly any real fight in going straight back down again.

You've (probably) got what you wished for. Live with it, but please don't try to tell me to stop being concerned that my boyhood team has had a truly dreadful season so far. That matters. And I'd rather stay in the top flight.

Tell you what..if we finally get relegated how about you come onto the forum and apologise to all those posters whose views you've tried to dismiss all season?

How refreshing would that be.

If we stay up, I'll do the same.

Well because the 3 clubs were unlikely to have gone down anyway it's not a comparable situation to ours.

And to the second point there was no guarantee that if we had replaced the manager then we would have stayed up, just look back to QPR, who took the gamble and still going down. Believe me if I thought there was somewhere out there in December who could have kept us up then I would have happily changed.

And if you look at all of my posts I haven't 'dismissed anyone's opinion.' I have just argued my point, I haven't told anyone they are wrong in believing otherwise like yourself and other 'Pearson Hater cronies.'

Just because we go down doesn't mean a manager automatically has to be sacked. If there is no better alternative (which I have discussed in other threads) then why sack him? In the other threads people comment they don't care who we get, as long as it's not Pearson and come up with a ludicrously shite list of names, none of which achieved as much as our current manager. That's the sort of attitude that found us in league 1 in the 1st place.

[st albans fox]

if it came across that i 'hate him so much' then it wasnt supposed to. i dont hate anyone. not even peter taylor .................. well perhaps

 

i am genuinely interested as to what made the difference. i recall the terrible run. i know we had a tough run in. you will recall that on the previous page i referred to between end jan and mid april re the poor run.

 

i was not on here calling for his head. i recall posting that we were still able to make the play offs so until that wasnt achievable, why change.

 

was it just the concentrating of the players' minds that it was still possible to rescue the season ?  we seemed to get results against the better sides. i remember we should have won at cardiff. the run of three straight defeats in march took us to seven without a win. (and they werent against good sides and came after the promise of the cardiff fixture). was it just another indicator that we were able tor raise ourselves for the bigger fixtures?

[Thrill Bert Fox]

The run in question 2013 being

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don't recall ever seeing pearson being asked how he never got to grips with the sudden loss of form in that period. We took 15 points from 17 games from second position.

Good point well made - it's clear to me that he's fine when things are going well but he does not have a track record of turning around poor runs of form. If plan A does not work he does not have a plan B.

[Thrill Bert Fox]

Well because the 3 clubs were unlikely to have gone down anyway it's not a comparable situation to ours.

And to the second point there was no guarantee that if we had replaced the manager then we would have stayed up, just look back to QPR, who took the gamble and still going down. Believe me if I thought there was somewhere out there in December who could have kept us up then I would have happily changed.

And if you look at all of my posts I haven't 'dismissed anyone's opinion.' I have just argued my point, I haven't told anyone they are wrong in believing otherwise like yourself and other 'Pearson Hater cronies.'

Just because we go down doesn't mean a manager automatically has to be sacked. If there is no better alternative (which I have discussed in other threads) then why sack him? In the other threads people comment they don't care who we get, as long as it's not Pearson and come up with a ludicrously shite list of names, none of which achieved as much as our current manager. That's the sort of attitude that found us in league 1 in the 1st place.

I think there is a difference between OPR and the other 3 WBA, C Palace and A Villa because they brought someone if from outside the club as a replacement I think QPR kept it in house. I would not want to see Shakespeare in charge if pearson went because you need to make a real change to make a difference.

[suffolk fox]

Biggest game of the season last Saturday most fans would agree we needed to win. A game where three points was a must. Where was our manager?

Sat up in the bloody west stand looking at a laptop.

Most managers no rephrase that, all managers in our position would have been in the technical area barking instructions at the team for the whole 90 minutes. Posters on here take the urine out of people like Dyche but against Man City he showed a dam site more passion than Pearson has all season.

he needs to go, thanks for last season, but go please go. Thais may know how to run a duty free emporium but they know naff all about running a football club.

[hackneyfox]

It's mid table form that. Not slightly better than relegation form.

To have 2 relegation form runs in one season and still make the play offs shows how exceptional we were outside them.

Check your maths Matt ,17 from 14 gives 56 points over a season, one point clear of relegation.

[Guest MattP]

Check your maths Matt ,17 from 14 gives 56 points over a season, one point clear of relegation.

2 points clear of relegation in one crazy season.

Generally it's 15 points clear of it.

[Guest Col city fan]

This is getting boring now...just the same old argument and counter argument.

It looks like Nigel stays, we go down and then what?

Great.....

Crackin season this..

[Guest MattP]

This is getting boring now...just the same old argument and counter argument.

It looks like Nigel stays, we go down and then what?

Great.....

Crackin season this..

I don't think I've seen anyone try to defend this season at all.

What happens is the same thing that has happened before - we go down and then have to make a decision whether Pearson and his team are best placed to lead us back to the Premier league or whether we believe it's going to be more likely under someone else who is available and wants to come here.

[Guest Col city fan]

If MC has just replied to my post, someone tell him he's on IGNORE.

He does my bloody head in.

[MC Prussian]

Seeing Poyet getting sacked for me is now the last straw on this matter.

Yes, Gus' record this season (especially in recent times) is nothing to ride home about but...

 

OUR MANAGER

1. Near enough assaults an opposition player (apparently in jest but the whole world saw what happened).

2. Calls a member of the press a "*****" because he dares to question him/his tactics/his squad.

3. Despite not agreeing with said 'fan' has a go at someone who has paid money to see the team they support play.

4. Constantly picks his favourites and then blames other fringe players for not stepping up when coming in cold.

5. Are sat bottom of the league with only 4 wins ALL SEASON.

 

Past misdemeanours include; 17 winless streak in the Championship, confrontation with players. List goes on...

 

Why hasn't he been sacked yet?! How?!?

1. Where was that "assault" or "near assault" you're talking about? The player(s) crashed into the manager, there was a toss and a tumble, Pearson put his hands on McArthur's chest, both got up, quickly thought about the whole deal, smiled and went off their respective ways again

2. Let's face it - that journalist was simply asking the same stupendous question over and over again. Other managers have said similar or worse things during interviews and got away with it (mainly because the mic was fortunately off) - or do you recall a similar instance in recent history?

3. That fan is/was a dimwit

4. I've seen a lot of chopping and changing myself on the pitch - both in formation and personnel. Be it GK, RB, CB, wingers or forwards. He hardly ever uses the same starting eleven, we've seen so many different starting sheets. If you can accuse the manager of something, it's that he's failed in finding out his best starting XI over the course of this season so far.

5. The season's not over yet - my calender runs until May. And yours?

 

The past winless streak in the Championship? Holy moly? Aren't we digging deep now... You do realize that he did turn it around in the end? Granted, he tested the patience of a many a LCFC follower, but he did deliver. It took him years to find his ways in the Championship and the same rule applies a level higher up. It's just that some fans are very unforgiving and so desperate to see us stay in this league that they'd walk over bodies.

[AKCJ]

When? Our league form prior to that was:

 

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Where in there is the poor run - in the 29 games that saw us in 2nd and breathing down Cardiffs neck.

 

 

1 win in 6 in the Championship is relegation form. 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

You can't defend his decisions today. No chance.

I'm angry about it because if we'd have played anything like we did last season with a system that the players know and understand, we'd have stood a decent chance of winning the game.

He's dismantled the team slowly over time and the players are now as clueless as him. There's no direction and no sense of purpose.

Total joke.

His record at this level will go down as one of the worst in the league's history.

THIS

[hackneyfox]

2 points clear of relegation in one crazy season.

Generally it's 15 points clear of it.

Matt it doesn't change the fact there were two poor runs in that season and not short ones.

[Guest MattP]

Matt it doesn't change the fact there were two poor runs in that season and not short ones.

Doesn't change the fact then the rest of it was tremendous given where we ended up.

[seenitall]

1. Where was that "assault" or "near assault" you're talking about? The player(s) crashed into the manager, there was a toss and a tumble, Pearson put his hands on McArthur's chest, both got up, quickly thought about the whole deal, smiled and went off their respective ways again

2. Let's face it - that journalist was simply asking the same stupendous question over and over again. Other managers have said similar or worse things during interviews and got away with it (mainly because the mic was fortunately off) - or do you recall a similar instance in recent history?

3. That fan is/was a dimwit

4. I've seen a lot of chopping and changing myself on the pitch - both in formation and personnel. Be it GK, RB, CB, wingers or forwards. He hardly ever uses the same starting eleven, we've seen so many different starting sheets. If you can accuse the manager of something, it's that he's failed in finding out his best starting XI over the course of this season so far.

5. The season's not over yet - my calender runs until May. And yours?

 

The past winless streak in the Championship? Holy moly? Aren't we digging deep now... You do realize that he did turn it around in the end? Granted, he tested the patience of a many a LCFC follower, but he did deliver. It took him years to find his ways in the Championship and the same rule applies a level higher up. It's just that some fans are very unforgiving and so desperate to see us stay in this league that they'd walk over bodies.

Serious question - at what point might you accept he's not up to this? Relegation this year you can accept - next year too? There must be a point when even you will have had enough?

[Swiss_tony]

Serious question - at what point might you accept he's not up to this? Relegation this year you can accept - next year too? There must be a point when even you will have had enough?

only last  season counts because that fits in  with his idiotic nigel is god guff.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Can't believe he is still manager

Oh ok now I've said that we are bound to beat Spurs away following an attacking display not witnessed all season

Here's hoping anyway

[inckley fox]

1. Where was that "assault" or "near assault" you're talking about? The player(s) crashed into the manager, there was a toss and a tumble, Pearson put his hands on McArthur's chest, both got up, quickly thought about the whole deal, smiled and went off their respective ways again

2. Let's face it - that journalist was simply asking the same stupendous question over and over again. Other managers have said similar or worse things during interviews and got away with it (mainly because the mic was fortunately off) - or do you recall a similar instance in recent history?

3. That fan is/was a dimwit

4. I've seen a lot of chopping and changing myself on the pitch - both in formation and personnel. Be it GK, RB, CB, wingers or forwards. He hardly ever uses the same starting eleven, we've seen so many different starting sheets. If you can accuse the manager of something, it's that he's failed in finding out his best starting XI over the course of this season so far.

5. The season's not over yet - my calender runs until May. And yours?

 

The past winless streak in the Championship? Holy moly? Aren't we digging deep now... You do realize that he did turn it around in the end? Granted, he tested the patience of a many a LCFC follower, but he did deliver. It took him years to find his ways in the Championship and the same rule applies a level higher up. It's just that some fans are very unforgiving and so desperate to see us stay in this league that they'd walk over bodies.

 

You're not employed by the club's PR department, at least not as far as I know, so it should be possible for all of us to have give-and-take debates. I'm happy to acknowledge that Pearson has been a great manager, that we could well have a good season in the second tier with him next year, even if he could find his chances very limited if he took us back up. I don't see why you need to act like some kind of Reich Minister of Propaganda for Leicester City!

 

Firstly, I think he's talking about the 'near assault' when Pearson put his arms around a player's throat, tugged his shirt, said 'I can look after myself' afterwards and was then reminded by the FA about his behaviour; as well as making headlines worldwide. Yes the player let it slide, but he also said he was 'genuinely scared'. They call him 'el estrangulador' in Spain, if I haven't mentioned that already. Are we seriously arguing that Pearson is looking like he can cope with the pressures of this level? Surely the entire footballing world, except for a hardy few in Leicestershire, know full well that he's struggling under the strain. In four months alone he's stopped talking to local radio, yelled 'f*** off and die' at a stand full of his own fans and been banned for it, called a journalist a '****' on TV and been accused of trying to throttle an opposition player.

 

One incident in isolation might be defensible, but the combination paints a fairly clear picture. If it was another manager, everybody would be acknowledging it. And before people start mentioning Mourinho or Ferguson, there's a world of difference between an outburst detracting from the brilliance of one manager, and it adding to the apparent inability to cope of another.

 

Secondly, the journalist spoke seven times. He was cut off the first time, told 'no' the second, rephrased the question the third ('What's your take on that situation?' - to which Pearson said 'no', which doesn't actually make sense), repeated this question the fourth (Pearson didn't answer it), answered a question of Pearson's the fifth, was cut off again the sixth, and asked a different question the seventh. It's hardly 'over and over again'. He only actually repeated one question twice, and it was never answered.

 

Thirdly, yes the fan was a dimwit. So why not seek him out and speak face to face? Why yell at a whole section of the crowd and get yourself banned for it?

 

Fourthly, even when the calendar is up your opinion will surely be the same. The calendar is an irrelevance!

 

Fifthly, Pearson didn't turn the form in early 2013 around. Not during that season, not sufficiently to regain our top two place, and not sufficiently to guide us through the play-offs. Promotion was distinctly the aim that season.

 

Whatever, I agree that his problems have had more to do with having too many Plan Bs, rather than just a solid Plan A (and let's remember, having only a Plan A has served plenty of great managers, and our great managers very well in the past).

 

But if he's to stay as manager I'd prefer to debate where he went wrong this year, and what he's going to have to do to get it right next time, rather than trying to claim that this season has been anything other than a miserable failure on his, and our, part, and that he hasn't got things wrong when he quite obviously has.

 

And, you know, I'm not sure we do anyone any favours by papering over cracks. I remember after Coatsworth's wonder goal and Colin Gibson's wonder goal and Arnar Gunnlaugsson's wonder goal, that everybody would urge them to shoot, for weeks on end. Some or other manager politely asked the fans not to do that, because they were shooting all the time, and as a result our attacks were breaking down. So if Pearson really does believe that all of this is down to bad luck, or players who've let him down, or referees, or Radio Leicester and the wave of negativity they've spun together, or the fans, and not at all down to any mistakes he might have made, then we're hardly doing our best for the club if we tell him that it's right.

[Guy]

As has been pointed out above, the Lawrence substitution thing was a dreadful but illustrative moment on Saturday. No disrespect intended to Lawrence, who I hope will find his feet with us in the Championship next season, but as Babylon described he was substituted on to right midfield, and then moved back to right back a few minutes later. Now Albrighton might not be all that, but he has Premiership experience, and as recently as Man Utd away delivered a good cross from the right which Was headed home.

 

Forget the personalities, simple common sense would suggest that Albrighton had more chance of making something happen that could have led to a goal. To omit him from the bench seems quite extraordinary, and is illustrative of some seriously muddled thinking. You wonder if there is anyone on the coaching staff who has the personality to challenge Nige constructively, or if after last season's glories he became untouchable.

 

It was a horrible moment when Lawrence came on. I didn't hear booing, and I don't think any negativity was aimed at him, simply a collective feeling of something bordering on disbelief

Almost on a par with Pearson playing 5 in defence in a 'must win' game against a team we needed to beat from the outset to even have any vague hope of staying up in the Prem for the first time in 14 years....! I've read most 'constructive' comments on here and war of words posts between "one upmanship" obsessed forum members but at the end of the day, no paragraphs of wisdom are required any more - Pearson has been here for four months too long already and now we're just going through the going down motions to all intents and purposes. He must even have some kind of a hold on the owners now too, to still be at the LCFC helm after everything that's been and gone this season alone! Love the bloke but he's no longer the man to take us down or forwards!