Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 Said all along NP was clueless tactically, got lucky last season when things went our way. We've gone from Sky Scrapers to Barrel Scrapers under this fool! See it is people like you that take away from any sort of rational debate on the issue. Can you tell me in the last 15 years we have been 'sky scrapers' except for under the management of 'this fool?'
Monsell1976 Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 Can we close all these threads now, until he goes, they are the the opinions as two seasons ago, same debate same replies, just going around in circles. It's not the same arguments that are doing my head in, it's depressing but I keep posting and reading, and I really try not to
the-blue-wildabeast Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 He's roughly on a par with Micky Adams and Brian Little. I would argue they achieved the same with no/little budget.
Corky Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 A few and then lost the will to live to be honest. How people can still claim Pearson is good for city is quite frankly, frightening. I know, articulate points are far worse than the childish tripe we've seen so often.
inckley fox Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 pearson is the 2nd best manager we've ever had, why do people ant him gone so badly, he'll take us up again like he did last season Said all along NP was clueless tactically, got lucky last season when things went our way. We've gone from Sky Scrapers to Barrel Scrapers under this fool! Proof that both extremes of the debate are complete nonsense. To seriously claim Pearson to be better than Hodge, Orr, Halliday, Gillies, Bloomfield, Milne or O'Neill, or even significantly better than the likes of O'Farrell, Wallace, Little or Adams, is the sort of blithely ignorant allegiance to Pearson which undermines his defence so badly. Yes his win rate is great, coming as it has at mainly lower levels, including our lowest ever, and with well-funded sides by comparison to the rest of our history. Yes he's won two promotions, one from the lowest level we played at, another which looks set to be cancelled out by an immediate and spectacular relegation. At the highest level, where the best managers presumably manage (nobody seriously argues that Dave Bassett or Jimmy Hill are up there with Shankly or Ferguson, do they?), he's been among the two, arguably three, worst of the 19 to have managed us at that level. And he hasn't been responsible for any of our three trophies, or six Cup Finals, which were shared between four different managers. To gleefully declare that he'll take us up 'like last year' rings equally hollow, and forgets the four other attempts he had at promotion from that league. On the other hand, to claim there was anything sky-scraping about the half-decade before his first arrival, or the 18 months before his second, or that last year was just good luck while this season is the devil showing his true colours, is equally insane. I don't even need to elaborate on that, though, because Ken already knows it.
Stadt Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 Proof that both extremes of the debate are complete nonsense. To seriously claim Pearson to be better than Hodge, Orr, Halliday, Gillies, Bloomfield, Milne or O'Neill, or even significantly better than the likes of O'Farrell, Wallace, Little or Adams, is the sort of blithely ignorant allegiance to Pearson which undermines his defence so badly. Yes his win rate is great, coming as it has at mainly lower levels, including our lowest ever, and with well-funded sides by comparison to the rest of our history. Yes he's won two promotions, one from the lowest level we played at, another which looks set to be cancelled out by an immediate and spectacular relegation. At the highest level, where the best managers presumably manage (nobody seriously argues that Dave Bassett or Jimmy Hill are up there with Shankly or Ferguson, do they?), he's been among the two, arguably three, worst of the 19 to have managed us at that level. And he hasn't been responsible for any of our three trophies, or six Cup Finals, which were shared between four different managers. To gleefully declare that he'll take us up 'like last year' rings equally hollow, and forgets the four other attempts he had at promotion from that league. On the other hand, to claim there was anything sky-scraping about the half-decade before his first arrival, or the 18 months before his second, or that last year was just good luck while this season is the devil showing his true colours, is equally insane. I don't even need to elaborate on that, though, because Ken already knows it. didn't take long
SecretPro Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 pearson is the 2nd best manager we've ever had, why do people ant him gone so badly, he'll take us up again like he did last season Thats quite some statement. Not sure if you are joking? I see from above you are joking. Thank fook for that.
Stadt Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 Thats quite some statement. Not sure if you are joking? see above
inckley fox Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 didn't take long Oh, good. It actually makes me feel much better being 'had', because it's restored my faith in the human race! Comments like that have been known to surface, though, (see anything by Grewks), so I hope you appreciate why I might fall for it.
Guest MarshallForEngland Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 We are bottom of the league, with just four wins out of twenty eight games. That IS Pearson's fault, as he is the highly paid manager, who is responsible for the team's performances. I don't need to waffle on, with a completely ridiculous, and highly irrelevant post, to point out a valid fact. Sorry to quote myself but: There's no nuance or proportion to your opinion, you just repeat the same "SACK HIM" phrase after listing some examples of his mistakes and weaknesses, and then act as if all the logical leg-work has been done. How can you not see that you look and sound almost like a cartoon football fan?
inckley fox Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 How can you not see what you're doing? All you've done is repeat yourself again. Simply stating the same assertion over and over again doesn't constitute an argument. I'm not sure your argument has evolved a great deal either. If it has, please enlighten me!
Stadt Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 Oh, good. It actually makes me feel much better being 'had', because it's restored my faith in the human race! Comments like that have been known to surface, though, (see anything by Grewks), so I hope you appreciate why I might fall for it. In all seriousness, I like Nige, he's been a shambles this season getting a lot more things wrong than right but I can appreciate what he's done for us, he's the best manager I've seen here and I've witnessed great games and memories because of him. He couldn't complain if he got sacked but in my eyes at least I think he should have until October because he's not out of his depth in the championship.
inckley fox Posted 17 March 2015 Posted 17 March 2015 In all seriousness, I like Nige, he's been a shambles this season getting a lot more things wrong than right but I can appreciate what he's done for us, he's the best manager I've seen here and I've witnessed great games and memories because of him. He couldn't complain if he got sacked but in my eyes at least I think he should have until October because he's not out of his depth in the championship. It's a fair enough opinion and, while I don't know how long you've been watching City, he may well be the best manager you've seen. You can see he's got stuff wrong, but you're right to like him. I'd prefer to part ways now and give a new manager a bit of valuable PL experience, but I like Pearson too. We'd be daft to get ourselves so worked up that we couldn't look back someday and remember all the good he did to our club.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 He's done a lot of good for the club. But not much this season. History will hopefully remember him for more good than bad. Will struggle to complain if he's sacked after this season though.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 He's done a lot of good for the club. But not much this season. History will hopefully remember him for more good than bad. Will struggle to complain if he's sacked after this season though. Good sensible post, I think how the majority feel about it generally
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Good sensible post, I think how the majority feel about it generally The extreme views at both ends of the spectrum tend to get a wider and louder airing though
Collibosher70 Posted 18 March 2015 Author Posted 18 March 2015 There are some very sensible posts...bit annoyed that some are trying to bracket some into anti Pearson pro Pearson...I initially admired Pearson early on and will respect his achievements for our club as im sure many others will..let's face it he has given us a lot to cheer about whilst he's been here....but for me what started as a good premier campaign has been reduced to a shambles..players out of position..certain poor performers picked week in week out and some strange formation and substitutions and that was enough for me.....I don't hate Pearson or dislike him I've just reached the point where I think enough if enough....I would love him to shove my words down my throat by picking a team that attacks and plays to our strong points...we still live in hope but we are city supporters and always will....handful of games left with the advantage of most being at home...just go for it and attack....not much to lose now
Babylon Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Even when O'Neill brought us up the expectations were lower because again we didn't have have any money. Between the moment he joined us and the end of the first premiership campaign he had spent not far off £9m. Which in 1996 / 1997 is a very decent amount of money.
teblin Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Between the moment he joined us and the end of the first premiership campaign he had spent not far off £9m. Which in 1996 / 1997 is a very decent amount of money. Interesting that is. I'm guessing that includes fees we received for Corica/Roberts?
teblin Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 He's done a lot of good for the club. But not much this season. History will hopefully remember him for more good than bad. Will struggle to complain if he's sacked after this season though. Can't argue with that. I had an argument with someone who said "he's ruined my club". The club is in a lot better place for Nigel being at the club. Just a shame that the Premiership seems a step too far for him.
Babylon Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Interesting that is. I'm guessing that includes fees we received for Corica/Roberts? I've not taken off anything he brought in. The club got quite a bit of cash through sales of those two. When did Joachim go? think we got something for him as well. Pearson generated a fair amount through sales in the champ also. To put £9m in perspective... the biggest transfer fee paid anywhere in the world at the time was £15m for Alan shearer. So we can see how much prices have gone up and how much more money there is now.
artursteppe Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 The biggest problem I have with Pearson is that the areas in which he needs to improve, he has shown no aptitude in improving his effectiveness. I must therefore conclude that he never will. To keep him would therefore be a waste of time. I will explain:- He has always been able to prepare our teams well to play against the better opposition in each league we have played in. Man Utd, Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool etc this season. Derby, QPR, Burnley etc last season. ( It is pretty much a fact that you need to beat the best in your league to become champions ). He does not now, nor at any time previously, have a clue how to beat the worst teams in the league we are playing in. That includes not just the Premiership this season, Burnley, QPR, Hull City, Sunderland, but also WBA and Newcastle and Villa away when they were really dreadful, it also includes the absolute dross in the two leagues below. This is a fact! Conclusion, ( and I am trying to be both fair and honest ), going forward he does have the credentials to get teams promoted from the championship and could possibly do that again with some team or other. He will never be able to keep a promoted side in the Premiership. He, for whatever reason, is totally inept against the weaker teams, in any league. These things will never change. There is no point at all in retaining his services.
Plastic Fantastic Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 He's done a lot of good for the club. But not much this season. History will hopefully remember him for more good than bad. Will struggle to complain if he's sacked after this season though. This.
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