Honestly..who can defend Pearson now

[MooseBreath]

... some manage to see the hundreds of other variables involved as well. These are the people who you collectively refer to as the "Pearson Defence Corp". So few people on here are arbitrarily pro-Pearson, they just have a sense of proportion that for some reason people like you find impossible to grasp.

So what are these "variables" that those of us who believe Pearson should go are failing to see? What is your supposedly superior "sense of proportion" allowing you to see that I can't?

In spite of your narcissistic attempts at obfuscation and circumlocution the Pearson stay/go argument is not particularly complex, and in the thousands of posts on the subject on here over the last few days I'm fairly sure we've covered every "variable", and many of us still feel Pearson should go.

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

So what are these "variables" that those of us who believe Pearson should go are failing to see? What is your supposedly superior "sense of proportion" allowing you to see that I can't?

In spite of your narcissistic attempts at obfuscation and circumlocution the Pearson stay/go argument is not particularly complex, and in the thousands of posts on the subject on here over the last few days I'm fairly sure we've covered every "variable", and many of us still feel Pearson should go.

 

You're being a bit defensive here considering the part you quoted specifically said "people like you", directly addressed to the person I was responding to. If you think I was referring to you when I was lambasting the dolts who keep posting "LOSING IS UNACCEPTABLE PEARSON OUT" as an argument then fair enough, but I am guessing from the unnatural-looking appearance of certain words in your post that you don't think you belong in that category. So what is it you are trying to goad me into saying? Whether or not you in particular have thought it through, the fact remains that a significant number of contributors to this thread and others like it not just haven't, but couldn't.

 

You're kind of proving my point though. You're giving me an argument to defend and expecting me to take it on as my own. I have consistently acknowledged Pearson's shortcomings and I have not once denied that it is possible to make a cogent and informed case for his departure. That is precisely what makes some of these threads so unbearable; there is so little of that actually going on. You only have to suggest that there might be "two sides" and you'll be ridiculed and insulted relentlessly by some people who have never actually presented an argument that goes beyond "PEARSON OUT".

 

I have said it in a few other threads but I don't mind saying it again. The lack of proportion can be seen in the religiously held belief that whatever happens must always ultimately be linked to Nigel Pearson. If Schwarzer is perceived to have made an individual error, it's Pearson's fault for picking him/sticking with him. If somebody misses a decent chance, it's Pearson's fault for not working on finishing enough in training. If players don't look motivated, it's Pearson's fault for not instilling any drive or determination in them. If Morgan or Simpson or someone else at the back makes a mistake, it's Pearson's fault for making them play in an unfamiliar formation/changing the team too much. If the fans are creating a terrible atmosphere, it's Pearson's fault for not giving them something to be positive about. If we get done over by a refereeing decision, it's Pearson's fault for making us rely on refereeing decisions rather than winning regardless. There is literally no negative thing anyone can say about a Leicester performance without someone on here declaring with certainty that it must be Pearson's fault.

 

You can't argue with that sort of logic, it's like arguing with a devoutly religious person. Everything counts as evidence for the belief they already have and nothing will change that. Even when it is acknowledged that somebody else was immediately responsible for something bad happening in a game, the root cause is always Nigel Pearson. Just watch a creationist rationalise and incorporate any scientific discovery or human endeavor into their own belief system and make it fit their suppositions. Fossils? God is testing us/the devil put them there. Noah's Ark is impossible? God can do anything and made it happen. Kids die of cancer? God needed angels in heaven/works in mysterious ways. And even the ones that accept things like evolution, well that's just an another example of God's majesty of course. You literally can't argue against this sort of reasoning.

 

PS - EDIT: Yes I am comparing some of the Pearson Out folk to religious nutjobs.

[SpacedX]

 

 

I have said it in a few other threads but I don't mind saying it again. The lack of proportion can be seen in the religiously held belief that whatever happens must always ultimately be linked to Nigel Pearson. If Schwarzer is perceived to have made an individual error, it's Pearson's fault for picking him/sticking with him. If somebody misses a decent chance, it's Pearson's fault for not working on finishing enough in training. If players don't look motivated, it's Pearson's fault for not instilling any drive or determination in them. If Morgan or Simpson or someone else at the back makes a mistake, it's Pearson's fault for making them play in an unfamiliar formation/changing the team too much. If the fans are creating a terrible atmosphere, it's Pearson's fault for not giving them something to be positive about. If we get done over by a refereeing decision, it's Pearson's fault for making us rely on refereeing decisions rather than winning regardless. There is literally no negative thing anyone can say about a Leicester performance without someone on here declaring with certainty that it must be Pearson's fault.

 

You can't argue with that sort of logic, it's like arguing with a devoutly religious person. Everything counts as evidence for the belief they already have and nothing will change that. Even when it is acknowledged that somebody else was immediately responsible for something bad happening in a game, the root cause is always Nigel Pearson. Just watch a creationist rationalise and incorporate any scientific discovery or human endeavor into their own belief system and make it fit their suppositions. Fossils? God is testing us/the devil put them there. Noah's Ark is impossible? God can do anything and made it happen. Kids die of cancer? God needed angels in heaven/works in mysterious ways. And even the ones that accept things like evolution, well that's just an another example of God's majesty of course. You literally can't argue against this sort of reasoning.

It's known as as an unfalsifiable argument and really doesn't apply here given the unequivocal and ineluctable objective empirical evidence testament to Nigel Pearson's gross ineptitude this season.

[MooseBreath]

I don't disagree with a lot of that. I was really just asking you to concede that it is possible for somebody to analyse all of these so called variables and still come to a logical conclusion that Pearson should go. Your previous post seems to imply that people who think Pearson should go do so simply because they haven't or aren't capable of thinking it through, and that your opinion that Pearson should stay is based on a superior depth of consideration. Which is, in the nicest possible way, nonsense.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

You're being a bit defensive here considering the part you quoted specifically said "people like you", directly addressed to the person I was responding to. If you think I was referring to you when I was lambasting the dolts who keep posting "LOSING IS UNACCEPTABLE PEARSON OUT" as an argument then fair enough, but I am guessing from the unnatural-looking appearance of certain words in your post that you don't think you belong in that category. So what is it you are trying to goad me into saying? Whether or not you in particular have thought it through, the fact remains that a significant number of contributors to this thread and others like it not just haven't, but couldn't.

 

You're kind of proving my point though. You're giving me an argument to defend and expecting me to take it on as my own. I have consistently acknowledged Pearson's shortcomings and I have not once denied that it is possible to make a cogent and informed case for his departure. That is precisely what makes some of these threads so unbearable; there is so little of that actually going on. You only have to suggest that there might be "two sides" and you'll be ridiculed and insulted relentlessly by some people who have never actually presented an argument that goes beyond "PEARSON OUT".

 

I have said it in a few other threads but I don't mind saying it again. The lack of proportion can be seen in the religiously held belief that whatever happens must always ultimately be linked to Nigel Pearson. If Schwarzer is perceived to have made an individual error, it's Pearson's fault for picking him/sticking with him. If somebody misses a decent chance, it's Pearson's fault for not working on finishing enough in training. If players don't look motivated, it's Pearson's fault for not instilling any drive or determination in them. If Morgan or Simpson or someone else at the back makes a mistake, it's Pearson's fault for making them play in an unfamiliar formation/changing the team too much. If the fans are creating a terrible atmosphere, it's Pearson's fault for not giving them something to be positive about. If we get done over by a refereeing decision, it's Pearson's fault for making us rely on refereeing decisions rather than winning regardless. There is literally no negative thing anyone can say about a Leicester performance without someone on here declaring with certainty that it must be Pearson's fault.

 

You can't argue with that sort of logic, it's like arguing with a devoutly religious person. Everything counts as evidence for the belief they already have and nothing will change that. Even when it is acknowledged that somebody else was immediately responsible for something bad happening in a game, the root cause is always Nigel Pearson. Just watch a creationist rationalise and incorporate any scientific discovery or human endeavor into their own belief system and make it fit their suppositions. Fossils? God is testing us/the devil put them there. Noah's Ark is impossible? God can do anything and made it happen. Kids die of cancer? God needed angels in heaven/works in mysterious ways. And even the ones that accept things like evolution, well that's just an another example of God's majesty of course. You literally can't argue against this sort of reasoning.

 

PS - EDIT: Yes I am comparing some of the Pearson Out folk to religious nutjobs.

We are bottom of the league, with just four wins out of twenty eight games. That IS Pearson's fault, as he is the highly paid manager, who is responsible for the team's performances.

 

I don't need to waffle on, with a completely ridiculous, and highly irrelevant post, to point out a valid fact.

[LexicalChoice]

It's known as as an unfalsifiable argument and really doesn't apply here given the unequivocal and ineluctable objective empirical evidence testament to Nigel Pearson's gross ineptitude this season.

 

Are you Susie from Countdown, by any chance?

[iancognito]

Here's the thing. Your position can be summarised with a facetious name (equivalent to your 'Pearson Defence Corp') because you are a caricature of a fickle football fan. There's no nuance or proportion to your opinion, you just repeat the same "SACK HIM" phrase after listing some examples of his mistakes and weaknesses, and then act as if all the logical leg-work has been done. "Checkmate Pearson Defence Corp" you say to yourself while patting yourself on the back for being smart enough to notice that we are bottom of the league and have lost lots of games.

 

But nobody is arguing the points you are arguing against. You're attacking a straw man, going on and on about why an argument nobody has made is wrong. Virtually everybody on here recognises where Pearson has made mistakes, but some manage to see the hundreds of other variables involved as well. These are the people who you collectively refer to as the "Pearson Defence Corp". So few people on here are arbitrarily pro-Pearson, they just have a sense of proportion that for some reason people like you find impossible to grasp.

 

And this means you can deliver ridiculous statements like the one above - that Pearson "didn't know" it was going to be difficult stepping up from the Championship to the Premiership - and do so with no irony at all. And if anybody questions the truth of that statement, you'll say "BUT WE LOST AGAINST [insert team here]" or "HE BROUGHT LAWRENCE ON HERRR DERR" and say "checkmate" again. You're not just clueless, you're the worst kind of clueless - the kind that makes you totally unaware of how little you know, but inexplicably confident and certain in delivering your daft posts.

 

I don't know about pinning it to the front page it'd make a good sig actually and the fact it's +10 shows a lot of people - the silent majority - agree with the sentiments too.

 

I'm not a Pearsonite, not a member of the PDC or whatever name the moaners want to conjure this week, I've called for Kelly, Holloway, Sven and Sousa to be sacked because I didn't see them having a future here. Holloway found us in a hole and brought his own set of spades to dig it deeper, Eriksson made the debt bigger and the gap between us and the top flight bigger and as for Sousa and Kelly....jesus. The difference this time is that I can see Pearson's made mistakes - he may not admit it to half-wits like that berk on RL or John Pissypants at the Guardian but he can see it too - but I also understand that neither he or anyone else expected it to be this bad. Like the formations/tactics or not, no-one could have seen how badly some of the players would perform this season. One goal from Vardy? Danny "Something to prove" Drinkwater? Matty "Corner King" James? Most of them just haven't upped their games even allowing for a few unlucky moments that have cost us.

 

We've been crap this season but we've had crap seasons before and bounced back. Most of the people moaning have forgotten 1994/5 or weren't around for it. Now THAT was a shit season. We were terrible, far worse than this lot, we knew it but we also laughed at ourselves and stuck together. We bounced back the following season and it's rarely been mentioned since. Twenty six anti-Pearson topics and the same constant stream of moaners who only ever come on here to moan. That's more depressing than the crap on the pitch.

[Guest Col city fan]

I don't know about pinning it to the front page it'd make a good sig actually and the fact it's +10 shows a lot of people - the silent majority - agree with the sentiments too.

I'm not a Pearsonite, not a member of the PDC or whatever name the moaners want to conjure this week, I've called for Kelly, Holloway, Sven and Sousa to be sacked because I didn't see them having a future here. Holloway found us in a hole and brought his own set of spades to dig it deeper, Eriksson made the debt bigger and the gap between us and the top flight bigger and as for Sousa and Kelly....jesus. The difference this time is that I can see Pearson's made mistakes - he may not admit it to half-wits like that berk on RL or John Pissypants at the Guardian but he can see it too - but I also understand that neither he or anyone else expected it to be this bad. Like the formations/tactics or not, no-one could have seen how badly some of the players would perform this season. One goal from Vardy? Danny "Something to prove" Drinkwater? Matty "Corner King" James? Most of them just haven't upped their games even allowing for a few unlucky moments that have cost us.

We've been crap this season but we've had crap seasons before and bounced back. Most of the people moaning have forgotten 1994/5 or weren't around for it. Now THAT was a shit season. We were terrible, far worse than this lot, we knew it but we also laughed at ourselves and stuck together. We bounced back the following season and it's rarely been mentioned since. Twenty six anti-Pearson topics and the same constant stream of moaners who only ever come on here to moan. That's more depressing than the crap on the pitch.

Why on earth should people not moan?

We got promoted.......after TEN years. Pearson did a fantastic job to do so. We romped the division, playing lovely, quick, fluent football.

So we went up....

Let's have it right..and let's all be honest. Most us who were being realistic, saw that squad at the start of the season and thought we'd probably struggle..we'd probably win some, but lose more. Personally, I thought our home form would see us through.

But VERY few of us, I suspect, ever thought we would then go on to have the awful season we are having. And no excuses...it has been awful. Not awful in terms of other teams trouncing us, cos that hasn't happened..but awful in terms of nearly all the stats you can think of. Across all four divisions, very few sides have scored less than we have and very few have conceded more.

So yes, given the adulation of last season, the hope and expectation of our fanbase, having had the season we've had, we have every right to moan about it, if we choose to. You might not want to and that's fine. But you ain't me.

Even if we had won a few more games, especially at home, I would be content actually, because we'd be exactly where I expected us to be. But we aren't, and we haven't. So yes, I feel the right to moan, ESPECIALLY having seen that nonsense that was Hull at home.

I'm surprised to be honest, that there are people who seem to just accept it. To just accept how bad we have been.

And how's about this for an argument...if MORE people had moaned, and sooner, the club might have acted and we might have been in a a stronger position than we are now.

The people who have simply accepted it with a rye smile, will now, most probably, just have to accept relegation.

Where is people's passion? It seems to have become a dirty word. Perhaps it's no surprise that our international football team left the world cup with a whimper, as did the cricket team.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Why on earth should people not moan?

We got promoted.......after TEN years. Pearson did a fantastic job to do so. We romped the division, playing lovely, quick, fluent football.

So we went up....

Let's have it right..and let's all be honest. Most us who were being realistic, saw that squad at the start of the season and thought we'd probably struggle..we'd probably win some, but lose more. Personally, I thought our home form would see us through.

But VERY few of us, I suspect, ever thought we would then go on to have the awful season we are having. And no excuses...it has been awful. Not awful in terms of other teams trouncing us, cos that hasn't happened..but awful in terms of nearly all the stats you can think of. Across all four divisions, very few sides have scored less than we have and very few have conceded more.

So yes, given the adulation of last season, the hope and expectation of our fanbase, having had the season we've had, we have every right to moan about it, if we choose to. You might not want to and that's fine. But you ain't me.

Even if we had won a few more games, especially at home, I would be content actually, because we'd be exactly where I expected us to be. But we aren't, and we haven't. So yes, I feel the right to moan, ESPECIALLY having seen that nonsense that was Hull at home.

I'm surprised to be honest, that there are people who seem to just accept it. To just accept how bad we have been.

And how's about this for an argument...if MORE people had moaned, and sooner, the club might have acted and we might have been in a a stronger position than we are now.

The people who have simply accepted it with a rye smile, will now, most probably, just have to accept relegation.

Where is people's passion? It seems to have become a dirty word. Perhaps it's no surprise that our international football team left the world cup with a whimper, as did the cricket team.

Great post Col

[nettle]

I don't know about pinning it to the front page it'd make a good sig actually and the fact it's +10 shows a lot of people - the silent majority - agree with the sentiments too.

I'm not a Pearsonite, not a member of the PDC or whatever name the moaners want to conjure this week, I've called for Kelly, Holloway, Sven and Sousa to be sacked because I didn't see them having a future here. Holloway found us in a hole and brought his own set of spades to dig it deeper, Eriksson made the debt bigger and the gap between us and the top flight bigger and as for Sousa and Kelly....jesus. The difference this time is that I can see Pearson's made mistakes - he may not admit it to half-wits like that berk on RL or John Pissypants at the Guardian but he can see it too - but I also understand that neither he or anyone else expected it to be this bad. Like the formations/tactics or not, no-one could have seen how badly some of the players would perform this season. One goal from Vardy? Danny "Something to prove" Drinkwater? Matty "Corner King" James? Most of them just haven't upped their games even allowing for a few unlucky moments that have cost us.

We've been crap this season but we've had crap seasons before and bounced back. Most of the people moaning have forgotten 1994/5 or weren't around for it. Now THAT was a shit season. We were terrible, far worse than this lot, we knew it but we also laughed at ourselves and stuck together. We bounced back the following season and it's rarely been mentioned since. Twenty six anti-Pearson topics and the same constant stream of moaners who only ever come on here to moan. That's more depressing than the crap on the pitch.

I remember the 94/95 season Little had brought us with next to no money so we knew there was good chance we would struggle. The difference this time is the expectations were a lot higher because of the money behind us. Everything is in place to push on that's why people are moaning.

[SpacedX]

I remember the 94/95 season Little had brought us with next to no money so we knew there was good chance we would struggle. The difference this time is the expectations were a lot higher because of the money behind us. Everything is in place to push on that's why people are moaning.

Also in '93 - '94 we finished fourth,  and yes expectations were lower - particularly since our main (possibly sole) acquisition over the summer in preparation for the top flight consisted of Nicky bloody Mohan.

[foxinsocks]

Why on earth should people not moan?

We got promoted.......after TEN years. Pearson did a fantastic job to do so. We romped the division, playing lovely, quick, fluent football.

So we went up....

Let's have it right..and let's all be honest. Most us who were being realistic, saw that squad at the start of the season and thought we'd probably struggle..we'd probably win some, but lose more. Personally, I thought our home form would see us through.

But VERY few of us, I suspect, ever thought we would then go on to have the awful season we are having. And no excuses...it has been awful. Not awful in terms of other teams trouncing us, cos that hasn't happened..but awful in terms of nearly all the stats you can think of. Across all four divisions, very few sides have scored less than we have and very few have conceded more.

So yes, given the adulation of last season, the hope and expectation of our fanbase, having had the season we've had, we have every right to moan about it, if we choose to. You might not want to and that's fine. But you ain't me.

Even if we had won a few more games, especially at home, I would be content actually, because we'd be exactly where I expected us to be. But we aren't, and we haven't. So yes, I feel the right to moan, ESPECIALLY having seen that nonsense that was Hull at home.

I'm surprised to be honest, that there are people who seem to just accept it. To just accept how bad we have been.

And how's about this for an argument...if MORE people had moaned, and sooner, the club might have acted and we might have been in a a stronger position than we are now.

The people who have simply accepted it with a rye smile, will now, most probably, just have to accept relegation.

Where is people's passion? It seems to have become a dirty word. Perhaps it's no surprise that our international football team left the world cup with a whimper, as did the cricket team.

I agree col - and will add: We have been way too patient.  I think the problems have been tactical underpinned by NP's in ability or refusal to address issues and to set how teams up for the challenges faced and to vary things within the games as required.  In fact this trait was always there - it was last season that was aberrant!  The fans around me all want Pearson to go - but say it quietly... like they don't want to appear disloyal.  But last Saturday NP showed no ambition - and THAT is not acceptable and should be the straw to break the camel's back

[nettle]

Also in '93 - '94 we finished fourth, and yes expectations were lower - particularly since our main (possibly sole) acquisition over the summer in preparation for the top flight consisted of Nicky bloody Mohan.

Even when O'Neill brought us up the expectations were lower because again we didn't have have any money.

[cuddly ken]

Said all along NP was clueless tactically, got lucky last season when things went our way.

We've gone from Sky Scrapers to Barrel Scrapers under this fool!

[Lineker's Left Foot]

Also in '93 - '94 we finished fourth, and yes expectations were lower - particularly since our main (possibly sole) acquisition over the summer in preparation for the top flight consisted of Nicky bloody Mohan.

.... and Mark Draper

[Guest Col city fan]

Even when O'Neill brought us up the expectations were lower because again we didn't have have any money.

This season has been FULL of patience really.

Very few people have even moaned that we have spent the arse end of 20 million quid on just two strikers....and then we don't play them together.

20 million quid is not big bucks for the Premiership..but neither is it an insignificant sum of money.

Again, let's have it right...20 million quid could have strengthened other areas of this squad which needed strengthening equally as much as the strike force.

But this has kind of gone under the radar.

There is no doubt in my mind..none whatsoever.. Nigel Pearson has been given time and patience by the fans ON ACCOUNT... On account of what he did last season.

But last season is last season, this season is this season.

This season, he's been absolutely bloody awful both on and off the pitch.

[the-blue-wildabeast]

I agree col - and will add: We have been way too patient.  I think the problems have been tactical underpinned by NP's in ability or refusal to address issues and to set how teams up for the challenges faced and to vary things within the games as required.  In fact this trait was always there - it was last season that was aberrant!  The fans around me all want Pearson to go - but say it quietly... like they don't want to appear disloyal.  But last Saturday NP showed no ambition - and THAT is not acceptable and should be the straw to break the camel's back

There are truly some mugs on here still spouting there bollocks trying to defend the indefensible, like our friends Marshall for England, MC Prussian etc. I cant take these serious, there either on the wind up or employees/friends/family of Nigel Pearson. People have been 'too' patient with Pearon based purely on historical success's. Nearly every manager we have sacked has had past success somewhere, but Nigel has been (IMO Wrongly) more time because he has has some success with us, albeit in an enviroment that few other championship sides could match. Ultimately this has cost us our premier league status, if more fans had woken up to his clear limitions when he was making all kind of weird and not so wonderful crazy decisions in Oct/Nov in another fantastic winless run, and we had collectively said at Xmas enough was enough, hes clearly not upto it, there is every chance we would be a premier league team next season as well. Maybe its not just the manager that needs to learn, but us supporters too. Support is great, Blind Support can be very damaging.

[the-blue-wildabeast]

This season has been FULL of patience really.

Very few people have even moaned that we have spent the arse end of 20 million quid on just two strikers....and then we don't play them together.

20 million quid is not big bucks for the Premiership..but neither is it an insignificant sum of money.

Again, let's have it right...20 million quid could have strengthened other areas of this squad which needed strengthening equally as much as the strike force.

But this has kind of gone under the radar.

There is no doubt in my mind..none whatsoever.. Nigel Pearson has been given time and patience by the fans ON ACCOUNT... On account of what he did last season.

But last season is last season, this season is this season.

This season, he's been absolutely bloody awful both on and off the pitch.

It was another massive mistake, to effectively spend 90% of your budget on two strikers (That he wont play together anyway), totally ignoring weakness's in defence and midfield, and its not a case of hindsight, we all knew we needed a LB, we all knew we are poor at set pieces at both ends and we all knew all our midfielders are pretty similar, neat and tidy but lack pace, physicality, battle, creativity and goals. £20m should have improved us, it was hardly well spent, and when you consider how Burnley have done with very little spend, then its even more embarrassing.

[Corky]

There are truly some mugs on here still spouting there bollocks trying to defend the indefensible, like our friends Marshall for England, MC Prussian etc. I cant take these serious, there either on the wind up or employees/friends/family of Nigel Pearson. People have been 'too' patient with Pearon based purely on historical success's. Nearly every manager we have sacked has had past success somewhere, but Nigel has been (IMO Wrongly) more time because he has has some success with us, albeit in an enviroment that few other championship sides could match. Ultimately this has cost us our premier league status, if more fans had woken up to his clear limitions when he was making all kind of weird and not so wonderful crazy decisions in Oct/Nov in another fantastic winless run, and we had collectively said at Xmas enough was enough, hes clearly not upto it, there is every chance we would be a premier league team next season as well. Maybe its not just the manager that needs to learn, but us supporters too. Support is great, Blind Support can be very damaging.

 

You haven't actually read any of Marshall's posts have you? 

[Izzy]

Got to say I'm particularly impressed with the intellectual debate and quality of grammar, pronunciation and all around grasp of the English language on this thread. And here's me thinking most Leicester fans are thick as pig shit...

[fleckneymike]

Got to say I'm particularly impressed with the intellectual debate and quality of grammar, pronunciation and all around grasp of the English language on this thread. And here's me thinking most Leicester fans are thick as pig shit...

 

[the-blue-wildabeast]

You haven't actually read any of Marshall's posts have you?

A few and then lost the will to live to be honest. How people can still claim Pearson is good for city is quite frankly, frightening.

[inckley fox]

Groan! Fallen at the first hurdle.

 

Go back and read marshallforEngland's post until you understand it.

 

Tell you what, sonny, read the next line of mine and if your grasp of irony is good enough you might figure out that I'm referencing it.

[Stadt]

pearson is the 2nd best manager we've ever had, why do people ant him gone so badly, he'll take us up again like he did last season

[Webbo]

pearson is the 2nd best manager we've ever had, why do people ant him gone so badly, he'll take us up again like he did last season

He's roughly on a par with Micky Adams and Brian Little.