Can't believe the players are getting off scot free

[Mike Oxlong]

Nige doesn't send his strikers out to miss sitters, he doesn't send his midfielders to over hit passes and he doesn't send his defenders out to put the ball into their own net.

 

If it wasn't for individual errors from our players we wouldn't be in the bottom 3.

The key word in this post is "his"

[Westerby]

You've forgotten to blame Pearson for the multitude of mistakes that ref's have made.

 

Even not giving Man City a certain penalty against Burnley probably cost us a 2 pt gap with Burnley - obviously Pearson's fault.

 

As far as Villa suddenly becoming a good team is concerned, let's look at their 3 wins separately.

 

The first was a one off home FA Cup match against WBA - a local derby for good measure.

 

The second was a league match against the same opponents at the same venue.

 

The third was a trip to Sunderland with the margin of victory possibly as much to do with Sunderland collapsing in the way they did at Southampton. This time it cost their manager his job.

 

Even with a 3-0 home win and a 4-0 away win , Villa are STILL the lowest scorers BOTH home and away in the division.

 

Sunderland have conceded more goals at home than any other team and only Villa have scored less.

 

Before Saturday, only Southampton had let in fewer goals on their travels than WBA but again Villa are the only side to have scored less than WBA on the road.

 

Whilst Tim Sherwood may well have improved Villa, the improvement is probably not as much as the scores suggest at face value.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Yes he is. It also does not help that he KEEPS picking them again and again.

 

His responsibility 100% and 100% inability to learn from his own mistakes.

 

You're right, he should drop them all. All of them. Play the 21s. Would you be happy then?

[Jazzy_Jeff]

He was in a catch 22. If he replaced the team that did so well last season, he would have been wrong. If he gave them a chance and they don't step up, he is wrong.

 

Can't blame him for giving the lads who did so well last season a chance but I do think that he should have added more in January when it was very obvious at that point that some of them weren't up to it.

 

For what its worth, I'm not giving up hope. A couple of wins and everything changes.

[Guest Col city fan]

The buck stops with the bloke in charge.

See 'The Damned United' where Clough is having the row with the Chairman.

Very true.

[Monsell1976]

If you read my post I said yes NP has made mistakes and should be blamed but not entirely its the players fault as well as NP

Do you not think that these players that were full of confidence last season, when they had a settled team, settled formation, and the quality to make a promotion challenge, overnight become bad players.

The blame lies with pearson and his management team, who due to their messing around with formations whilst the season is on going.

Pearson and his team had plenty of time to research what system works well in the premier league, and what players would fit into the positions, and if there was a short fall, recruited players to play in their positions, not playing players out of position.

It was clear to see, it was a big risk going into this season with so many unproven players, at this level, and which had clearly back fired.

Due to all the above pearson and his poor tactics, and formations have destroyed the players confidence, in my opinion.

After watching the hull game, they have no confidence left, which I would expect a manager to motivate them, or change the players playing poorly, not leaving them in to make the same mistakes over and over again, and not give a chance to players he brought in, but doesn't rate, to start.

Or he has lost the dressing room, and they aren't playing for him, and with you blaming the players, if they were backing him, you would expect them to go all out to back their boss, not keep putting in shocking displays like against hull, west brom, villa away twice, and so on.

So for me pearson is to blame, as it's his job to manage, and he has done a very, very poor job at it this season.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Nigel has never shirked away from any responsibilities when results have gone the other way. He's knows this is the case, has reiterated this several times, and I think he would much shoulder the blame than let his squad become slandered.

[Kitchandro]

Of course it's true, the players are the ones playing after all. However, it's hard to sympathise with Pearson when he's the one who keeps picking them.

 

One thing I do think is they certainly as a collective put in more effort and show more intensity against the big clubs.

[Rocky Dennis]

I'm wondering when, during this and any one of the many other pointless such debates on here that someone, anyone can put forward the name of a sensible replacement to get us promoted next season, anyone??

All very well jizzing over Tim Sherwood now he's got Villa playing sexy football but how many of you laughed when they appointed him? how many sighed when he was suggested as a poss replacement for Nige?

Lots of premier league football management experts on here, some of you should tweet Top and apply for the job.



 

[red5]

The buck stops with the bloke in charge.

See 'The Damned United' where Clough is having the row with the Chairman.

Very true.

 

Very true Col,

Top and his old man, I've said it all along, they can't run a football club.

[lestajigs]

Yes NP picked them but hes not responsible for them playing poorly when they step over that white line

Yes playing crap, but then playing them again and again. Thats shite management

[Fox Ulike]

whats that got to do with them making mistakes on the pitch hes not responsible for them passing to the opposition he doesnt go out and say 'You know what Matt just pass it to the opposition' or 'You know what Ben kick the ball straight out into touch'

 

Nonsense. No-one blames the manager for a mis-placed pass. What they blame him for is picking a formation and tactics that place us at a disadvantage to teams who line up correctly.

 

No one else picked five defenders at home to Hull. And no-one else dithered for 12 minutes to make a tactical substitution when Hull went down to 10 men.

 

I feel a little sorry for the players because I believe that with the right guidance they could have been much further up the table.

[Dan]

The manager picked these players. Mistakes happen but he has a degree of responsibility for them.

 

He has been let down more than he should've been but the point stands.

[Monsell1976]

Of course it's true, the players are the ones playing after all. However, it's hard to sympathise with Pearson when he's the one who keeps picking them.

One thing I do think is they certainly as a collective put in more effort and show more intensity against the big clubs.

I still don't get why they don't show that same intensity against the lesser sides, play like they did at anfield, against the lesser teams, that is where the points for saftey are, so frustrating.

[Monsell1976]

Nonsense. No-one blames the manager for a mis-placed pass. What they blame him for is picking a formation and tactics that place us at a disadvantage to teams who line up correctly.

No one else picked five defenders at home to Hull. And no-one else dithered for 12 minutes to make a tactical substitution when Hull went down to 10 men.

I feel a little sorry for the players because I believe that with the right guidance they could have been much further up the table.

This

[cc_star]

Nonsense. No-one blames the manager for a mis-placed pass. What they blame him for is picking a formation and tactics that place us at a disadvantage to teams who line up correctly.

 

No one else picked five defenders at home to Hull. And no-one else dithered for 12 minutes to make a tactical substitution when Hull went down to 10 men.

 

I feel a little sorry for the players because I believe that with the right guidance they could have been much further up the table.

 

 

This

 

Except we played 3 defenders in 343, just more examples of blindness to fact to try and further a point

[Fox Ulike]

Except we played 3 defenders in 343

 

Well so bloody what??!! 

 

He replaces a right wing-back with a right-winger. It’s not Bill fvcking Shankley is it!

 

He takes off our most attack-minded defender for a novice winger still finding his feet at this level.

 

Another object lesson in "Nigel Pearson's guide to getting narrowly beaten".

[Gerard]

The players have to take some responsibility but Pearson has managed this club for about six out the last seven years. He's had ample time to put his stamp on the team. How many of the players here weren't signed by him?

 

By absolving Pearson of the blame then you're effectively saying managers have little effect on the result.

 

If that's the case we may as well keep him as any other manager will have the same results.

 

Someone should tell Chelsea that they don't need to pay Mourinho £100k+ a week, I'm sure Peter Taylor would do it for a lot less.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

The players were fine when we got 102 points last season playing 4-4-2. Perhaps the constant tinkering of formations and playing players out of position does not help.

Also poor man management like playing players who are constantly making mistakes rather than taking them out of the firing line or looking from the outside certain players being ostricised altogether does not help team unity.

I still maintain that we would have put up a much better fight against relegation had we stuck to what got us promoted in the first place. Would it have been enough to stay up? Who knows but trying not to lose games heavily and trying to soak up pressure will inevitably lead to mistakes when we offer no threat going forward.

So disappointing that we as fans have waited 10 years to get back into the Prem only to go down with the whimper of a kitten rather than the roar of a lion.

[adamlcfcbevo85]

Except we played 3 defenders in 343, just more examples of blindness to fact to try and further a point

just to make you aware the formation was not 343 NP said this so he didn't sound to be so negative , did you got to the game the formation has been the exact same since arsenal 5221, it's the blindness of some of these fans that let this forum down when they can't even see how defensive we actually were to a terrible team

[Gerard]

just to make you aware the formation was not 343 NP said this so he didn't sound to be so negative , did you got to the game the formation has been the exact same since arsenal 5221, it's the blindness of some of these fans that let this forum down when they can't even see how defensive we actually were to a terrible team

 

The Formation could be interpreted as anything.

 

De Laet and Schullp could be either DF's or MF's

Krameric and Mahrez could be either MF's or FW's

 

So take your pick out of these:

5-4-1 or 3-4-3 or something in between

[Silverdaz]

The players were fine when we got 102 points last season playing 4-4-2. Perhaps the constant tinkering of formations and playing players out of position does not help.

Also poor man management like playing players who are constantly making mistakes rather than taking them out of the firing line or looking from the outside certain players being ostricised altogether does not help team unity.

I still maintain that we would have put up a much better fight against relegation had we stuck to what got us promoted in the first place. Would it have been enough to stay up? Who knows but trying not to lose games heavily and trying to soak up pressure will inevitably lead to mistakes when we offer no threat going forward.

So disappointing that we as fans have waited 10 years to get back into the Prem only to go down with the whimper of a kitten rather than the roar of a lion.

Can you imagine the uproar on this forum if we persisted with Vardy and Nugent up front, plus theres no comparison to last season because it was entirely a different league with less quality teams and players

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Can you imagine the uproar on this forum if we persisted with Vardy and Nugent up front

He could and should have improved the first 11 with players that fitted into the system that got us promoted.

You are right though. There will always be scapegoats. As the manager though he is ultimately responsible for the players that play, where they are played and the formation used.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Can you imagine the uproar on this forum if we persisted with Vardy and Nugent up front, plus theres no comparison to last season because it was entirely a different league with less quality teams and players

Oh and the last bit. Tell that to Burnley as they have and are making a far better attempt at staying up than us.

[adamlcfcbevo85]

The Formation could be interpreted as anything.

De Laet and Schullp could be either DF's or MF's

Krameric and Mahrez could be either MF's or FW's

So take your pick out of these:

5-4-1 or 3-4-3 or something in between

No it's pretty simple really upson Morgan Huth CB RDL right back schlupp was playing left back ( not midfield ) they was not in any midfielder role closest to it was wing backs , cambiasso James CM, vardy mahrez on the wings , kramaric ST that gives you a formation of 5221 , it's not a formation to win games it's a formation to park the bus there is no 343 in there because if there was albrighton would of started ahead of delaet , but if anyone seriously think there was not 5 at the back need to either go to games any games or atleast watch them