MooseBreath Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Labour. There's no economic reason for voting Tory, they've been worse than Labour at every fiscal element of government and far, far worse on an ethical level. The only people voting Tory are the privileged trying to maintain their privilege. I find that pretty abhorrent. This whole 'Labour got us in a mess and the Tories fixed it' thing is entirely unsubstantiated nonsense. You'll be hard pushed to find an economist who backs it up and loads queuing up to disprove it. Austerity is just an exercise in class war. It's disgusting. Tax avoidance reduction is far more important. How the creation of two million new jobs, wages rising above inflation and tax cuts for every low to middle income worker can be classed as unethical I'll never know. I guess you're another one of these who think that welfare spending is the optimal way of assisting underprivileged people; that people below you simply require more hand outs because you believe that none of them are capable of achieving a decent lifestyle themselves. You're against giving them opportunities, or a push, towards personal development because from your privileged perch you think they're all lost causes; they'll never amount to anything - the only possible way to help them is to give them more money, and let them sit around all day while we, the capable ones, go to work. Ethics indeed.
Guest Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Voted Labour There were two ballot papers, one for the general election & another for a local election (of which I knew nothing about). It said that I could not vote more than twice on the local council ballot. What's that about? How does that work? Of the four candidates, two were Labour & two were Conservative. Seeing as I knew absolutely nothing about it & knew nothing of what each candidate stood for, I didn't vote.
Guest Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Oh if only all us working class Tory voters were as well educated as your fine self, if only I could see the deception. Isn't a working class tory just a wannabee?
Strokes Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Isn't a working class tory just a wannabee? No harm in aspiration fif, one day I might upgrade all the way to closet Tory......you are my inspiration
Vardinhio Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Voted Tories. Despite them hitting my profession hard in recent years they have ultimately done a good job in rescuing the countries financial situation. Labour can't seem to put up much of an argument.
Jimothy Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Voted Labour. Off out now, hopefully back in time to watch the whole thing unravel tonight.
MPH Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 A bit of an emotional moment for me just now - only just after I'd posted about the importance of the democratic process, too. I've mentioned in another thread how my Dad is now on the wane and a cause for concern (90, Parkinson's, physically unstable, mild dementia). Well, my brother had arranged to go to his flat this afternoon. On arrival, the place was locked and there was no sign of my Dad, which was a bit worrying. But, while he was on the line, my Dad came shuffling back in. Turns out the old lad had walked across Muswell Hill to vote (probably only 200m, but that's further than he's walked for several months and the round trip will probably have taken him an hour). Hope that shames any fvcker who can't be bothered to vote today (not ballot spoilers - all in favour of that, if you disapprove of all the candidates/parties). My Dad's constituency (Hornsey & Wood Green) is a Lib Dem/Labour marginal, so if the result is close later, it'll be even more emotional, as he probably won't be exercising his democratic rights again. He'll have intended to vote Labour, so I hope he managed to put his cross in the right box and didn't mistakenly vote UKIP. He probably will have managed it, to be fair. Whilst im a tory, it really warms my heart that people make the effort to vote. If i was his neighbor i'd of helped him to the polling station too, Labor voter or not...
ChrisFilter Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Oh if only all us working class Tory voters were as well educated as your fine self, if only I could see the deception. I went to Guilsborough School - not especially well-educated, nor am I suggesting everyone who votes Tory has been manipulated. Some/most are just in it for themselves. I can understand that, I just strongly disagree with it. FWIW I wouldn't describe myself as a Labour voter. I'm just voting for them to keep the Tories out.
Webbo Posted 7 May 2015 Author Posted 7 May 2015 I went to Guilsborough School - not especially well-educated, nor am I suggesting everyone who votes Tory has been manipulated. Some/most are just in it for themselves. I can understand that, I just strongly disagree with it. FWIW I wouldn't describe myself as a Labour voter. I'm just voting for them to keep the Tories out. So if we're not thick we must be selfish? How I wish I had your moral fortitude.
pSinatra Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 What's the problem? I don't claim to be an expert in politics or the electoral system, and I would think I'm not the only one. I have never heard of or come across a ballot paper that a person can enter 2 votes. Add to that, I had no idea what each candidate stood for. Why would I vote when I have zero knowledge of what I'm voting for? I voted in the general election, as it's difficult not to form an opinion. I'm self-employed on a below average income. I doubt whatever party I vote for will make the wildest of differences to me. As someone who smokes, I could save 50 times what either party could ever promise me by simply giving up smoking.
Rincewind Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Re a earlie post and thestudent vote, I picked up a university paper and there is an article about a student who is taking on Clegg as a UKIP candidate.Students have changed.
Webbo Posted 7 May 2015 Author Posted 7 May 2015 What's the problem? I don't claim to be an expert in politics or the electoral system, and I would think I'm not the only one. I have never heard of or come across a ballot paper that a person can enter 2 votes. Add to that, I had no idea what each candidate stood for. Why would I vote when I have zero knowledge of what I'm voting for? I voted in the general election, as it's difficult not to form an opinion. I'm self-employed on a below average income. I doubt whatever party I vote for will make the wildest of differences to me. As someone who smokes, I could save 50 times what either party could ever promise me by simply giving up smoking. I didn't realise we had 2 votes in the council election either until I got out and my daughter told me. I only voted for 1 councillor.
ronnup Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Voted Tories. Despite them hitting my profession hard in recent years they have ultimately done a good job in rescuing the countries financial situation. Labour can't seem to put up much of an argument. It's amazing that people think they have rescued the economy. Simply amazing.
Alf Bentley Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Whilst im a tory, it really warms my heart that people make the effort to vote. If i was his neighbor i'd of helped him to the polling station too, Labor voter or not... Good on you. My brother (who has never voted in his life) had offered to take him, but he obviously wanted to do it all himself - awkward bugger; runs in the family!
Webbo Posted 7 May 2015 Author Posted 7 May 2015 It's amazing that people think they have rescued the economy. Simply amazing. I know, Massive fall in unemployment, low inflation, strong growth, halving the deficit. Some thickos think thats good.
bmt Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Got my vote for greens in. Hopefully SNP will be in any coalition and there will be an end to austerity; we're behind the rest of Europe and even America.
Grewks Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 I know, Massive fall in unemployment, low inflation, strong growth, halving the deficit. Some thickos think thats good. Whilst i voted Tory, a lot of the above isn't all true....and many problems have become worse. For example the housing market is in appalling condition for first time buyers, the graduate job market is ridiculously saturated despite hopes that rises in tuition fees would reduce this problem and immigration is still ridiculously out of control. The above points i have made could be of far far greater importance to other individuals than myself, and therefore could make a case for voting labour, UKIP and even Greens.
Grewks Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Got my vote for greens in. Hopefully SNP will be in any coalition and there will be an end to austerity; we're behind the rest of Europe and even America. So why vote for Green's? Obviously i'm guessing that voting SNP would be impossible within your constituency...so why not vote labour? Given the fact that the SNP would never join tories.
ronnup Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 I know, Massive fall in unemployment, low inflation, strong growth, halving the deficit. Some thickos think thats good. If you ever decide to take a closer look at some different evidence have a read of this. Edited that as felt I was being disrespectful and should do the opposite as I applaud your taking a political stance and being active. http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2015/05/02/britain-for-the-love-of-god-please-stop-david-cameron/
ADK Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 What's the problem? I don't claim to be an expert in politics or the electoral system, and I would think I'm not the only one. I have never heard of or come across a ballot paper that a person can enter 2 votes. Add to that, I had no idea what each candidate stood for. Why would I vote when I have zero knowledge of what I'm voting for? I voted in the general election, as it's difficult not to form an opinion. I'm self-employed on a below average income. I doubt whatever party I vote for will make the wildest of differences to me. As someone who smokes, I could save 50 times what either party could ever promise me by simply giving up smoking. The second election was the local council election. We could vote for up to three here. Usually you get 2-3 votes but there are 2-3 candidates for each party. Most people will vote for say the three Labour candidates if they support Labour, but it does give you the option to either split your vote based on parties you like, or vote for a specific candidate that you support.
ChrisFilter Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 So if we're not thick we must be selfish?Pretty much. Or brought up that way.You accused me of conceit earlier but since my initial post we've had both stereotypes: Exhibit A) Believes the right-wing press 'Labour ruined the economy and the Tories have done a good job fixing it' Exhibit B ) Wants to preserve privilege 'I don't want Labour taking my hard-earned cash and giving it to benefit scroungers'.
Webbo Posted 7 May 2015 Author Posted 7 May 2015 If you ever decide to wake up, have a read of this. http://benjaminstudebaker.com/2015/05/02/britain-for-the-love-of-god-please-stop-david-cameron/ So we haven't had a fall in unemployment, low inflation, strong growth and halved the deficit?
ChrisFilter Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 I know, Massive fall in unemployment, low inflation, strong growth, halving the deficit. Some thickos think thats good. You're clearly exhibit A. So we haven't had a fall in unemployment, low inflation, strong growth and halved the deficit? Apart from low inflation, no. So we haven't had a fall in unemployment, low inflation, strong growth and halved the deficit? Did you read the link?
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