Guest MattP Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 Further bad publicity for Labour as yet another unsavoury, disreputable character offers his support..... Yep, I'm defecting from the Greens to Labour! I'd fully intended to vote Green until the last couple of days, (a) to get climate change and consequent policy changes up the agenda; (b) to give Labour a kick up the left buttock. However, the Greens have singularly failed to highlight climate change as an issue or to promote credible left-wing policies, instead coming across like one of the purist hard-left factions that bedevilled Labour in the 80s. Their day can - and must - come, but this isn't it. Very disappointed with their campaign. On the other hand, Labour have run a good campaign, promoting some good principles and policies, even if, like the Tories, they've been concealing some of the detail to avoid negative media coverage. In truth, I think Labour would be more left-wing in office than they're letting on, just as the Tories would be more right-wing (people suggesting there's no difference between them are wrong). After all, the main reason that Ed stood for the leadership against his brother was to push the party to the left of New Labour. I wouldn't mind a Lab/LD deal; a bit less keen on Lab/SNP, but also think (a) that Miliband is shrewd enough to outwit the SNP in the long run; and (b) that the SNP will find it a lot harder to exert strong influence than the Tory scare stories claim - they have nowhere easy to run if their bluff is called. My defection is partly personal/cultural, too, I must admit. I feel a lot more comfortable in the company of a load of beery, untrendy lefties who believe in fairness, opportunity, solidarity and a generous, inclusive society, than in the company of a load of sanctimonious, superior, middle-class vegetarian lady cyclists (sorry, Green supporters, that's too often how the party comes across to me, however much I agree with some of its core values). So, on Thursday, let's vote Red Ed into No. 10 and let's kick Mr. D'Oily-Cameron and his stinking, sneering, chiselling, money-grabbing, nation-dividing, kick-the-vulnerable Tory twats into the gutter of history where they belong! No offence meant to you, Matt, or to the decent, civil Tories who post here (I'm sure you all smell much more fragrant than I do). I suppose politics can still be very tribal - and I've realised that Labour is still my tribe. I might even take up Russell Brand's suggestion that political pressure must continue beyond the election. I might even join the Labour Party to do my bit to push it more towards the left, the environment and democracy devolved to the people. Altogether now: "The people's flag is deepest red...." (No, I'm not down at the Kings with Rincewind! ) Thank god for that, it's the right decision for you, without meaning to sound patronising you are far too intelligent and wise in the head to cast a serious political vote for a party as divisive, loony, undemocratic and authoritarian as the Green party is. You're clearly the closest to Labour and I think you should vote for the party you are closest to. If we are losing political minds like yours to extremists it's genuinely a time to fear for where we could be heading as a country. On the last point, I'd be absolutely delighted to see Labour lurch back to the left, there is simply no call for that sort of politics these days and it would make them unelectable. People who decide elections love the middle ground. It could be a similar mistake to what the Tories made in the 90's and early 00's.
Webbo Posted 5 May 2015 Author Posted 5 May 2015 Don't forget Delia "where are ya?" Smith! Whatever next on the morality front? A PM who ignores warnings and awards knighthoods to Jimmy Savile and Cyril Smith (Thatcher)? A PM who shags a colleague behind his wife's back and then launches a "back to basics" morality campaign (Major)? A PM who is repeatedly warned not to appoint someone (Coulson) implicated in phone hacking, makes him his Communications Director, then sees him jailed (Cameron)? Whatever their morality, at least Brand and Coogan are good comedians. Who have the Tories got? Michael McIntyre? Gone are the days when they could roll out Kenny Everett to call for Russia to be bombed and Michael Foot's stick to be kicked away. At least he was funny, even if morality probably wasn't his strong suit either. I suppose they do have successful businesswoman Karren Brady, who launched her career flogging porn for David Sullivan. Are they wheeling out Bruce Forsyth and Cilla Black again? Where's Steve "Interesting" Davis when you need him? #backtobasics The difference is we don't claim to be the moral choice.
Strokes Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 I think Alf has been on the sauce, I swear I just read Miliband shrewd and outwit all in the same sentence
ronnup Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 The difference is we don't claim to be the moral choice. Because it would be so ridiculous.
Webbo Posted 5 May 2015 Author Posted 5 May 2015 Because it would be so ridiculous. We're happy being the competent choice.
whoareyaaa Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 Do people really want Ed Miliban to lead this country what a fool he would take this country down. The conservatives for me they get on with there job and Cameron know's his shit and doesn't come across as a bellend like ol Ed
Carl the Llama Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 Do people really want Ed Miliban to lead this country what a fool he would take this country down. The conservatives for me they get on with there job and Cameron know's his shit and doesn't come across as a bellend like ol Ed
Alf Bentley Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 I think Alf has been on the sauce, I swear I just read Miliband shrewd and outwit all in the same sentence No sauce yet, but about to go and get some! I was just "intoxicated with the exuberance of my own verbosity", to quote Disraeli on Gladstone. I learned that quote for History A-level in 1980....I got an E (and this was before rave culture existed)! Do people really want Ed Miliban to lead this country what a fool he would take this country down. The conservatives for me they get on with there job and Cameron know's his shit and doesn't come across as a bellend like ol Ed "He's shit - and he knows he is; he's shit and he knows he is!"
bmt Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 I'm voting Green. I find it annoying the amount of people that feel they are forced into voting for one of the big two parties in order to make their vote "count", when those two parties are the only ones who don't support a more proportionally representative election system.
Strokes Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 No sauce yet, but about to go and get some! I was just "intoxicated with the exuberance of my own verbosity", to quote Disraeli on Gladstone. I learned that quote for History A-level in 1980....I got an E (and this was before rave culture existed)! "He's shit - and he knows he is; he's shit and he knows he is!" I'm not one for verbosity, as I lack the nouse. I do however enjoy a bit of intoxication
Strokes Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 I'm voting Green. I find it annoying the amount of people that feel they are forced into voting for one of the big two parties in order to make their vote "count", when those two parties are the only ones who don't support a more proportionally representative election system. I'd like agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.
yorkie1999 Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 I literally do not know and probably won't make up my mind until polling day. Frankly, who cares really? I'm completely disillusioned with politics. How can you be disillusioned with being given the right to vote for a party that consists of members that sit on their arse's and dream up ways of scamming money off you and tries to justify it by saying its for your benefit.
bmt Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 I'd like agree with you but then we'd both be wrong. That makes absolutely no sense, but feel free to elaborate on what was wrong.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 5 May 2015 Posted 5 May 2015 Still voting UKIP, but I doubt they will win a seat. If we had PR, as the voting system, then they would, based on the current opinion polls, have 84 seats. Obviously both the Tories, and Labour, would not want this system in place, as more people would vote for what they believe in, rather than tactically voting to stop either the Tories or Labour winning a seat. I believe there will be a great deal of pressure over the next five years, to change to PR, which is the fairest system, for the voter.
Guest MattP Posted 6 May 2015 Posted 6 May 2015 Because it would be so ridiculous. Depends what you mean by 'moral' doesn't it? Some people see moral as making cuts now so the country pays it's way so future generations won't have to suffer, some people see a moral choice as borrowing money that people in the future can pay off so they don't have to cut those things now? Would it be morally right to blow all the countries money so we can't afford pensions or an NHS in 50 years? Or is that morally right as people need help now and even if we can't afford it we'll do it and let them live with the consequences as we'll be dead anyway. People have different ideas of politically morality, in Scotland now they seem to be voting that it's the moral choice to load billions of pounds worth of debt onto our children so we can still live beyond our means, I don't see that as morally correct. One of the most offensive things I found about Martin Freeman and Steve Coogan's videos were that they were claiming that they are morally right to vote Labour, I wonder what their grandchildren will say about that when they are paying 65-70% in tax and working until 80 to pay for the trillions of pounds of debt we've loaded on them? Wonder how they'll see it the same way? Still voting UKIP, but I doubt they will win a seat. UKIP will certainly win Claction. Douglas Carswell is a fantastic MP. They are also odds on to win Thurrock and Thanet South and in with a chance of winning in Rochester, Walsall, Hartlepool, Thanet North, Rotherham, Boston and Skegness and Great Grimsby and a couple of others.
ronnup Posted 6 May 2015 Posted 6 May 2015 Depends what you mean by 'moral' doesn't it? Some people see moral as making cuts now so the country pays it's way so future generations won't have to suffer, some people see a moral choice as borrowing money that people in the future can pay off so they don't have to cut those things now? Would it be morally right to blow all the countries money so we can't afford pensions or an NHS in 50 years? Or is that morally right as people need help now and even if we can't afford it we'll do it and let them live with the consequences as we'll be dead anyway. People have different ideas of politically morality, in Scotland now they seem to be voting that it's the moral choice to load billions of pounds worth of debt onto our children so we can still live beyond our means, I don't see that as morally correct. One of the most offensive things I found about Martin Freeman and Steve Coogan's videos were that they were claiming that they are morally right to vote Labour, I wonder what their grandchildren will say about that when they are paying 65-70% in tax and working until 80 to pay for the trillions of pounds of debt we've loaded on them? Wonder how they'll see it the same way? UKIP will certainly win Claction. Douglas Carswell is a fantastic MP. They are also odds on to win Thurrock and Thanet South and in with a chance of winning in Rochester, Walsall, Hartlepool, Thanet North, Rotherham, Boston and Skegness and Great Grimsby and a couple of others. So you think the Tories have borrowed less than labour? And you think 'austerity measures' isn't a massive lie? Oh... http://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/the-austerity-delusion
Guest MattP Posted 6 May 2015 Posted 6 May 2015 So you think the Tories have borrowed less than labour? And you think 'austerity measures' isn't a massive lie? Oh... Not sure where I have mentioned either of these in the above post but I'll answer anyway as I'm in a very polite mood today. No, they've borrowed more, it's incredible what a government can actually get away with when they are trusted with something, the Tories are trusted with the economy so they can borrow huge amounts without really being questioned and Labour being trusted with the NHS can privatise huge parts of it whilst still claming it's the Tories that did it. And if you have read any of posts you'll see I've been declaring 'austerity' as a myth for a long time, a country borrowing 90billion to live beyond it's means is not austerity, it's profligacy.
Jimothy Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Vote wisely. Cough. Conservative. Cough. Sounds like you might need a doctor for that cough. Only one party good for the NHS, better vote Labour.
Merging Cultures Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Sounds like you might need a doctor for that cough. Only one party good for the NHS, better vote Labour. [emoji14]Only one party can manage the economy and balance the budget so that the NHS is sustainable in the long term, better vote Conservative!
Guest Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 vote raving looney - but then again that doesn't narrow the choice down.
Guest Bilo Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 Vote Goldie Wilson. A COLORED MAYOR?! THAT'LL BE THE DAY! NB: Clip included for those not familiar with the film.
Strokes Posted 7 May 2015 Posted 7 May 2015 A COLORED MAYOR?! THAT'LL BE THE DAY! NB: Clip included for those not familiar with the film. any day now hoverboards will be available.
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