Guest MattP Posted 13 July 2015 Posted 13 July 2015 They stil won't get the vote through anyway, loads of Tories will be voting against the proposal, surely they realise this? You almost wonder whether Cameron set this vote up to catch the SNP out as liars and prove his point we need a law to create English only votes.
Mark_w Posted 13 July 2015 Posted 13 July 2015 They stil won't get the vote through anyway, loads of Tories will be voting against the proposal, surely they realise this? You almost wonder whether Cameron set this vote up to catch the SNP out as liars and prove his point we need a law to create English only votes. As most English voters oppose fox hunting and will be glad to see the SNP interference in this case, surely that won't prove especially effective?
Wymsey Posted 13 July 2015 Posted 13 July 2015 Might as well ban fishing and pigeon-shooting whilst they're at it.
Guest MattP Posted 13 July 2015 Posted 13 July 2015 As most English voters oppose fox hunting and will be glad to see the SNP interference in this case, surely that won't prove especially effective? Whether you agree or disagree with the the issue isn't really the point here. Most people might be opposed to fox hunting but people in general don't like hypocrisy or liars in my experience. I wouldn't tolerate a government lying to me even if I agreed with their intentions, that's how you end up with dishonesty throughout the political system. It's as bad as people who change their opinions of what electoral system we should use based on who would have been elected. Governments don't give a shit about public opinion anyway, for years and years the British public have backed stricter prison sentences, tougher immigration controls, bringing the railways back into public ownership etc etc and they have never been listened too.
BoneDog Posted 13 July 2015 Posted 13 July 2015 I've always wondered why farmers don't put a bin or two out on the edges of their land and pop a few roast chickens in of a night. Like a horse trough kind of thing. Doesn't even have to be roast chicken, could be a few tins of Ped Chum or anything. That would keep the foxes away from the hens and everyone's a winner. I chuck bits out at night and the local foxes have a bit of a picnic then go home happy and don't murder any chickens on the way. Common sense can sort out a lot of problems but it seems that not many people have any nowadays.
Guest MattP Posted 13 July 2015 Posted 13 July 2015 I know Rincey is in bed but I'm still impressed this managed to get to page two without the word "Toff" being used.
Rincewind Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 I know Rincey is in bed but I'm still impressed this managed to get to page two without the word "Toff" being used. toff toff toff toff toff toff
MiniFox Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 toff toff toff toff toff toff Someone needed to make up for the lack of toff over the last 2 pages
ozleicester Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 What if the person shooting the fox enjoys it? They should be sent away for a mental health checkup. Edit - and shouldnt be allowed to own a gun
Webbo Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Then if he is a trained professional and a good shot then at least that individual animal hasn't suffered from getting its face torn off by a fvcking dog. What if he only clips it, causing a long slow painful death?
kingcarr21 Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Not a Leicester fan if you support fox hunting imqho
Guest MattP Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Vote postponed, unsurprising, Just watching the debate on BBC and it's all emotion rather than logic, maybe the pro hunting lobby should try using that instead, it seems to work better in the eyes of the public, tell them about a field full of sheep at Lambing time when you see lambs with their stomach torn out, still alive whilst the Crows peck out their eyes and entrails, Their little voices calling for their mother. The fox kills for fun, not food. The SNP btw Nicola Sturgeon, February 8 2015: “The SNP have a longstanding position of not voting on matters that purely affect England – such as foxhunting south of the border, for example – and we stand by that. Where any issue is genuinely “English-only”, with no impact on Scotland, the case for Evel can be made.” SNP website, May 19 2015: (now deleted from their own website) lol “The SNP has a long-standing position of not voting on matters that only affect England. The Hunting Act is one such matter that purely affects England and Wales, and so SNP MPs would not vote on this issue.” Angus Robertson, July 13 2015: “The Scottish National Party Westminster Group met this evening and decided to vote against the Tory Government’s attempt to relax the ban on fox hunting south of the border in Wednesday’s vote… it is right and proper that we assert the Scottish interest on fox hunting by voting with Labour against the Tories’ proposals to relax the ban – in the process, reminding an arrogant UK government of just how slender their majority is”
Finnegan Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 I really can't be arsed to do this again. Didn't we just have that row? Can a mod find the other thread and merge? Basically, if you're pro fox hunting you're a sick **** at worst and thick at best.
Guest MattP Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Have I got in a time machine and gone back to Foxestalk in 2011?
Ollie93 Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 I've always wondered why farmers don't put a bin or two out on the edges of their land and pop a few roast chickens in of a night. Like a horse trough kind of thing. Doesn't even have to be roast chicken, could be a few tins of Ped Chum or anything. That would keep the foxes away from the hens and everyone's a winner. I chuck bits out at night and the local foxes have a bit of a picnic then go home happy and don't murder any chickens on the way. Common sense can sort out a lot of problems but it seems that not many people have any nowadays. Because it has been known for Foxes to kill a whole cage of hens/chickens for non-food purposes, just for fun. Oh so just like the ones who hunt them for "population control". In my personal experience of hunts, the majority of the riders on them don't care whether they are chasing a scent or fox, they go along for the thrill of riding fast across fields and jumping etc. The ones who condone it and want it implemented, have this strange view that fox hunting is needed for "population control." I've never known anyone around where I live to have any problems with Foxes, tbh if the fox can get into your chicken run/ cage to kill them, you're a sh!tty builder and the cage clearly isn't built well enough.
DennisNedry Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Hey, if the SNP want to stick their oar in where they shouldn't, I'm more than happy for it to be on this issue. I can't believe government is wasting so much time debating and voting on such trivial shit rather than focusing on the things that really matter, not something that will impact a small minority of rich cruel cvnts.
Guest MattP Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Hey, if the SNP want to stick their oar in where they shouldn't, I'm more than happy for it to be on this issue. I can't believe government is wasting so much time debating and voting on such trivial shit rather than focusing on the things that really matter, not something that will impact a small minority of rich cruel cvnts. Certainly agree with that. This isn't the most pressing issue at this point in time at all when we face such discontent across the European Union and such a threat to the World's security with problems across the Middle East. They do have to deliver a vote at some point though, this was in their manifesto and they won an outright majority, a lot of people in the rural areas would have voted for them because of this.
SomalianFox15 Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 If foxes are killing farmers chickens and livestock then the farmer should have the right to kill the fox. But when its done as a sport with dogs hunting them down its just inhumane and wrong.
Guest MattP Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 The more I think about this the more I think Cameron has had a blinder here (although similar to the election, probaly by accident and luck rather than choice). I don't think he ever wanted this, he's never spoken passionately about hunting and I think it would have been one of the first manifesto promises he would have thrown away when he was negotiating for a coalition, he probably thought he was never going to get a overall majority so he wouldn't have to deal with the fall out of not giving the vote, now he doesn't have to give it and he has an excuse to give to those who demanded. He has now managed to get the SNP to show their true colours with regards to their promises on not voting on English and Welsh matters and EVEL is going to be even easier to implement as the Jocks won't have a leg to stand on in their arguments, at the same time Labour can't seriously side with the Scottish on that now without losing even more face to the English voters, thus giving him the real power he wants over English issues, next stop full fiscal autonomy please for Scotland. Even without the SNP this wasn't going to happen, up to a hundred Tories were expected to rebel anyway.
westernpark Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 It's not pest control, it's animal management. Secondly foxes don't feel fear, they have instincts. Lastly, it's a fantastic sport and if you look over the field and see the huntsman and the hounds,you know very little has changed from that view over last 400 years.
Finnegan Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Like I said, thick. Have I got in a time machine and gone back to Foxestalk in 2011? Or literally about three or four weeks ago?
Ollie93 Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 It's not pest control, it's animal management. Secondly foxes don't feel fear, they have instincts. Lastly, it's a fantastic sport and if you look over the field and see the huntsman and the hounds,you know very little has changed from that view over last 400 years. Please explain the difference between fear and instincts? Do you feel fear? Do you have instincts? What a moronic post saying foxes don't feel fear.
Bobby Hundreds Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Like I said, thick. Or literally about three or four weeks ago? I've found them to be awfully inbred.
SomalianFox15 Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 It's not pest control, it's animal management. Secondly foxes don't feel fear, they have instincts. Lastly, it's a fantastic sport and if you look over the field and see the huntsman and the hounds,you know very little has changed from that view over last 400 years. Its not just animal management though. If people just wanted to limit the fox population and keep them away from farms then I'm sure they would look to more humane methods. How killing foxes be viewed as a sport in today's society in disturbing.
westernpark Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Please explain the difference between fear and instincts? Do you feel fear? Do you have instincts? What a moronic post saying foxes don't feel fear. the instinct is to run.
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