desertfox2 Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 Send him out on loan at a cannon fodder champ side back to the wall defending for the season. Definitely don't sell though. He's young went from playing in a championship winning side that was smashing everyone every week. To playing in the prem in a side that were up against it every week no wonder he struggled even morgan who has way more experience did.
Foxymcoxy Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 Some on here are so fickle. I would hate to see him go, it's too early to write him off. We have seen a lot from him, last season just didn't go his way. Loan him out by all means though.
Stevosevic Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 Some on here are so fickle. I would hate to see him go, it's too early to write him off. We have seen a lot from him, last season just didn't go his way. Loan him out by all means though. All 3 seasons in the first team haven't gone his way.... In each of his seasons he's started in the team, lost his place and not been able to get back in.
GingerrrFox Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 Some on here are so fickle. I would hate to see him go, it's too early to write him off. We have seen a lot from him, last season just didn't go his way. Loan him out by all means though. What is fickle by saying a player is not good enough for Leicester City? He's actually got worse as a player than when he first broke into the side 2 seasons ago. The owners want European football and frankly Liam Moore isn't good enough for that level IMO.
Spicer Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 For the first 7-8 games last season he was good in the premiership lets not forget. Center back is also the hardest position to play and therefore players don't hit there prime as a center back until later compared to other positions. How many young center backs have been an integral part of a championship winning team? He is also an England Under 21 international, so clearly has potential. I am not saying currently he is ready for week in week out premiership football, but to right him off completely is short sighted.
Guest MattP Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 He's 22 now so probably time to move on if he's not a serious contender for the first team. With Huth, Morgan, Wasyl, Bena and us chasing another target in that position he clearly isn't.
sphericalfox Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 How many 22yr olds play CB or RB in the Premiership I wonder? People writing off Moore need to get real. The lad does need experience, and he should go to a club on loan where he is challenging for playoffs or promotion and will come back to us a better player. At that point we might be able to afford to take a few risks, as currently we are trying to cement our place in the Premiership and can't afford to give him that chance.
Thracian Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 An extended loan would make sense. And while I have my doubts that he'll prove good enough for where we're aiming to be the point about having patience and centre-backs taking a while to evolve may be worth listening to. Moore does have strengths - particularly his willingness to defend desperate situations - but he needs to read the game better and become much more consistent. He also needs the maturity that will hopefully come with a few more disappointments and the realisation that attitude as much as ability maps out a Premiership career. He's nowhere near the finished article and the sooner he recognises that and works on improving his game and/or temperament the better. Football is littered with forgotten men who believed their own publicity instead of focusing on tomorrow's improvement.
GingerrrFox Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 How many 22yr olds play CB or RB in the Premiership I wonder? People writing off Moore need to get real. The lad does need experience, and he should go to a club on loan where he is challenging for playoffs or promotion and will come back to us a better player. At that point we might be able to afford to take a few risks, as currently we are trying to cement our place in the Premiership and can't afford to give him that chance. John Stones, Eric Dier, Emre Can, Marc Muniesa, Jores Okore, Phil Jones, Eliaquim Mangala are all a similar age to Liam Moore, have all played centre back in the Premier League and are all better players than Moore. He's not good enough for our side now and seeing the improvements the owners want to make, it doesn't look like that's gonna change.
sphericalfox Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 John Stones, Eric Dier, Emre Can, Marc Muniesa, Jores Okore, Phil Jones, Eliaquim Mangala are all a similar age to Liam Moore, have all played centre back in the Premier League and are all better players than Moore. He's not good enough for our side now and seeing the improvements the owners want to make, it doesn't look like that's gonna change. How many of those teams with those players are top 10 Prem teams, with a long established youth system, with the ability to be able to blood or purchase strong youth from abroad? The average peak for most CB/RB is well down the road. Moore isn't ready, and still has lots to learn, but as with most prospects this normal. Writing him off cos he isn't of the standard of those listed is madness.
GingerrrFox Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 How many of those teams with those players are top 10 Prem teams, with a long established youth system, with the ability to be able to blood or purchase strong youth from abroad? The average peak for most CB/RB is well down the road. Moore isn't ready, and still has lots to learn, but as with most prospects this normal. Writing him off cos he isn't of the standard of those listed is madness. Why is it madness? Why should we keep players that are not to the required standard just because they are from Leicester and a fans favourite? Our owners want this club to play in Europe. We require a better standard of player to get to that level and unfortunately that means getting rid of those not good enough ala Nugent, Hammond, Konchesky etc, but that's the business and football has always been unforgiving. I would include Liam Moore in that list and by the looks of it so does Ranieri. As for saying we shouldn't expect players of the standard of Muniesa or Okore, what makes Stoke and Villa that much better than us? Huth was playing for Chelsea and Germany at 22, Wasilewksi was playing for Poland also. Moore isn't that caliber of player.
Fuch Me Moore Posted 24 August 2015 Posted 24 August 2015 Sell him, not progressed at the same speed as the club. It is a shame but I don't think he's happy sitting on the bench and he's not going to be a starter.
Finn Claw II Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 Get him out on loan. CB will need revamping over the next two seasons (Was has one season left, Huth and Morgan will be 33 and 34 come the end of the season after next). He can be one option to fill that gap in the future. At 24 he could have mutured into a solid CB
The Railway Man Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 Hard to think he's ever going to make the level we'll be at so time to cash in. Players rarely show huge promise, drop off the radar for a couple of years and then come back even better, in fact can't think of a single player who has done that.
Ashley Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 Why is it madness? Why should we keep players that are not to the required standard just because they are from Leicester and a fans favourite? Our owners want this club to play in Europe. We require a better standard of player to get to that level and unfortunately that means getting rid of those not good enough ala Nugent, Hammond, Konchesky etc, but that's the business and football has always been unforgiving. I would include Liam Moore in that list and by the looks of it so does Ranieri. As for saying we shouldn't expect players of the standard of Muniesa or Okore, what makes Stoke and Villa that much better than us? Huth was playing for Chelsea and Germany at 22, Wasilewksi was playing for Poland also. Moore isn't that caliber of player. Exactly what I said in another thread regarding players. If our owners and fans want Europe.. fans especially need to drop this obsession of keeping players they like. If you want this club to progress to the next stage then start waving goodbye to those players. Harsh? Yeah but this is real talk.
Ric Flair Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 The thing is, he's not overly happy here. His behaviour towards the end of the season wasn't acceptable from what i've heard. Yes, he wants to play football but I think things have gone stale here and it's a question of do we stand firm and keep him, hoping he progresses in to a player worthy of playing for a half decent PL side or do we sell him and risk him achieving his potential. We could loan him out for a full season and then see, or I suppose we sell and ask for a buy back option but they don't seem to be common in England just abroad.
Jon the Hat Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 Sell him with some clauses to claw back some money if he turns into the next England CB.
Hack Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 None of us really know what his skill level is or could be. Only those at the club who do asses and understand talent evaluation know whether he can cut it and what he is worth to us or someone else. If they assess him that he should be sold I will back that decision.
Thracian Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 None of us really know what his skill level is or could be. Only those at the club who do asses and understand talent evaluation know whether he can cut it and what he is worth to us or someone else. If they assess him that he should be sold I will back that decision. Lots of people have seen Moore play on many occasions and some will be perfectly capable of evaluating what they see. Furthermore football history, including Leicester's, is full of instances where so-called experts made horrendous errors of judgement in assessing people. Worse still. with a fans site like this, if everyone stops having an opinion because they're not professionally qualified, then there wouldn't be much written and the site would soon die. For what it's worth between all the fun, banter and flippancy there's lots of perfectly credible assessment on here and by people who, over the years, have probably seen as much Leicester City football as they'll ever need to pass a worthwhile opinion. My life, the professional judgement and decision-making of some of our managers has been appalling. Just as it has been in broader professional circles at times. Expertise doesn't necessarily equal "right" - and never will.
Babylon Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 Lots of people have seen Moore play on many occasions and some will be perfectly capable of evaluating what they see. You certainly aren't considering where most of the dross you bigged up ended
sdb Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 Only a matter of time before Alan Sheehan becomes a household name
The Railway Man Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 You certainly aren't considering where most of the dross you bigged up ended I remember a really old Thrac post when I was a browser saying he'd turn down millions for Sappleton even if Man U were interested.
RedSoxUK Posted 25 August 2015 Posted 25 August 2015 At 22 Moore is still a relatively young CB, and did excellent as a 20/21 year old in our Championship winning season. He made errors last season but that comes with the Premier League inexperience and learning process. I'm sure more breaking down and reconstructing parts of Moore's game can make him a capable CB in the future. While he's 22, a youth academy product, and an England U21 player (well, was..) I wouldn't sell, I would loan out. Moore has 10 years in him at the top few levels but he needs to buckle up and improve, the reports from Brentford were disturbing.
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