Izzy Posted 8 June 2015 Posted 8 June 2015 Guilty as charged, well it's Molloy to be pedantic. I should have put a bit of originality in my forum name. PM me who you are. . PMd you mate, it's been a while!
rico Posted 8 June 2015 Posted 8 June 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-united-become-first-1billion-5844735 We are the 42nd biggest brand in football
4everfox Posted 8 June 2015 Posted 8 June 2015 If we did expand the stadium then it would more then likely just be doubling up the one stand. I'm not sure about the seat distribution but I'd guess the east and west stands running the length of the pitch are around 10 thousand each and the kop and family stands running the width of the pitch are about 6 thousand each. I'd imagine the west stand will be increased to a 20 thousand seater.
C-man Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-united-become-first-1billion-5844735 We are the 42nd biggest brand in football Crystal Palace and Stoke bigger brands than Fenerbahce? Yeah, OK. Sao Paulo lower than us TV deal or no TV deal, it's ridiculous too that LCFC can be considered significantly higher than Gladbach, a team in the Champions League that has won European Cups, after just one season in the PL.
Itsthejoeker Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Crystal Palace and Stoke bigger brands than Fenerbahce? Yeah, OK. Sao Paulo lower than us TV deal or no TV deal, it's ridiculous too that LCFC can be considered significantly higher than Gladbach, a team in the Champions League that has won European Cups, after just one season in the PL. Whilst I agree with you to an extent, the article is showing the biggest brands, which means how marketable the clubs are, not how successful. Whilst Gladbach are a hugely successful club, only those already interested in football at a deeper level then most would have heard of them. If you go to a random person anywhere in the world (except eastern europe) and ask them if they've heard of Gladbach you might get looked at funny, but there's a greater chance they've heard of Leicester/Stoke/Palace.
thesilverfox Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 To add 10,000 extra seats it will be around 2 sides, as those pretty crude images show. Look at the size of Cardiff's expansion, and that has added 5,000 seats. 10,000 on one stand would look like the Nou Camp!! Someone closer to the club than me claims to have seen plans for an East stand/Kop extension, which I guess would be the easiest option because of the space behind them!
Ollie93 Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 To add 10,000 extra seats it will be around 2 sides, as those pretty crude images show. Look at the size of Cardiff's expansion, and that has added 5,000 seats. 10,000 on one stand would look like the Nou Camp!! Someone closer to the club than me claims to have seen plans for an East stand/Kop extension, which I guess would be the easiest option because of the space behind them! And their average attendance last season was 21,123. Do we want that? Not saying we will, but there is a possibility if we expand too soon.
Itsthejoeker Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 And their average attendance last season was 21,123. Do we want that? Not saying we will, but there is a possibility if we expand too soon. I think Cardiff's attendances were more to do with the level and standard of football they were playing, and the fact the everybody hates their owner.
dayday Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 It would be the Family and East Stand,that would be made bigger
thesilverfox Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 And their average attendance last season was 21,123. Do we want that? Not saying we will, but there is a possibility if we expand too soon. Their expansion looks really cheap as well. No thought has gone into that at all.. and then throw in red seats!!
Dawko Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 I can't believe all of this bullshit from people saying that we must become an "established" Premier League team before we consider expanding the ground. Increasing the ground capacity is probably the most vital factor for the Club to even dream about becoming established (whatever that means) in this league. Will teams such as Bournemouth ever become "established" with a ground the size of theirs? How many "established" teams are there in this league?
Ricey Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 If we do it, I hope we use the opportunity to add some character to the stadium and don't just shove a basic new tier on like Cardiff. Also, I wouldn't sell in ST's in the new tier, as that would ensure the main bowl is always full if we were in the Premier League and not too empty if we were in the Championship.
Ollie93 Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 I can't believe all of this bullshit from people saying that we must become an "established" Premier League team before we consider expanding the ground. Increasing the ground capacity is probably the most vital factor for the Club to even dream about becoming established (whatever that means) in this league. Will teams such as Bournemouth ever become "established" with a ground of their size? How many "established" teams are there in this league? Stoke City - 27,740 Swansea - 20,827 Established - "having existed or done something for a long time and therefore recognized and generally accepted." So basically without fear of being relegated. Expanding is probably the last step.
Dawko Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Stoke City - 27,740 Swansea - 20,827 Established - "having existed or done something for a long time and therefore recognized and generally accepted." So basically without fear of being relegated. Expanding is probably the last step. So, that means we will never expand then. A vicious circle of not being established so not expanding and not expanding so not being established. Crazy !!
Ollie93 Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 So, that means we will never expand then. A vicious circle of not being established so not expanding and not expanding so not being established. Crazy !! Not really? Just a case of waiting for the right time. I can see better ways that money being invested than adding 10,000 seats onto a stadium which imo is big enough. Why not spend the money on renovating the concourse around the whole ground? Expansion just needs to happen at the right time, if we are still in the PL in three seasons then go for it but just because we have survived one season for the first time in 10 years everyone's saying we need to expand.
thesilverfox Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 It would be the Family and East Stand,that would be made bigger It won't, it'll be the East stand and Kop. The family stand is near the road.. by the time you've got your footings in for the extension there will be no room. The Kop end, with the car park space available behind, is perfect, especially if the club have bought the land next door, which I'd imagine that they have
Babylon Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Everyone has made some good points regarding why the stadium should be expanded and so on. The expansion will work well provided we are in the Premier League. I think we need a more sustainable model to make us an established PL club before we consider expanding. Yes, I know we will always be at risk from being relegated but with being established the risk will reduce and with the finances accrued we would be in a better position financially. Demand at the moment will be met comfortably by the expansion, but whilst we are in no position to call ourselves established, we need to grow our commercially and in numbers. Look I don't believe we are going to get relegated for the foreseeable future, because as I have said before our winning run, this could be our best ever side. The core of this squad is very good, better than that in the MON days imo. (Please do not shoot be down for this). But we have just about stayed up this season, when a lot of people thought we played poorly for the first 29 games of the season. Now everybody can see the green light. We really need to stop running before we can walk. I don't blame the owners for wanting to impose themselves on the club, and if anything their ambition is to be admired, when you have the likes of Oyston/Ashley et al, around. I just don't want to see too much investment, which will be mostly debt to the club, to have future implications, especially given the increasing popularity of FFP. Define established? We're not talking about doing it now, if it happens then it's quite possible it could be next summer or the year after. As I already stated, if we stay up next season that's two year in this league. You then get the HUGE rise in TV money. We're talking an extra £40-£50m+ per season from the end of next season.
Frank to be Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 If we become established in the sense that Aston Villa are established then I can see attendances dropping before then anyway. People like excitement. Premier league monotony is not exciting. Better to expand while we're on the up and generating interest, try to ride that wave as far as possible.
davieG Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 As it's been said many a time very few teams can considered themselves to be established PL teams. Most people's arguments against expansion seems to be based around "if we get relegated" I would say that having a bigger stadium would be the absolute least of our problems should that happen. Any expansion would need to be based on a sound business footing which would mean ensuring that there is sufficient non-football revenue options included like conferencing, concerts, exhibitions and other non-football / other sporting events etc. King Power have purchased an English football team to take them into the PL for the personal kudos and world wide recognition it brings having a bigger stadium would add to both of these. With regards to increasing the number of seats does that inhibit the chances of becoming established or does it help, I'd suggest the later.
Babylon Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 If we become established in the sense that Aston Villa are established then I can see attendances dropping before then anyway. People like excitement. Premier league monotony is not exciting. Better to expand while we're on the up and generating interest, try to ride that wave as far as possible. Indeed.... nothing like 10 years of finishing 13th to 17th to dampen the enthusiasm. Go back 20 year people said we'd never fill the new ground if it was built. The money is going to be there next year, we have a manager and owners I trust explicitly, we have a buzz about us. A decent performance in the league next year and we'd be in a great position to push on.
4everfox Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 We had the 12th highest average attendance last season and I strongly suspect that was limited due to our maximum stadium capacity. Sunderland were 6th in that list and averaged 43,157. You cannot seriously believe that we would be incapable of getting 40,000ish every week in this league. If Sunderland are capable then we should be too. No team above us on that list has a smaller maximum capacity and no team below us has a bigger maximum capacity which suggests we finished as high as we possibly could, our maximum capacity restricted us last season.
Happy Fox Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 We had the 12th highest average attendance last season and I strongly suspect that was limited due to our maximum stadium capacity. Sunderland were 6th in that list and averaged 43,157. You cannot seriously believe that we would be incapable of getting 40,000ish every week in this league. If Sunderland are capable then we should be too. Sunderland have a relatively big fan-base. But I am confident that we could sustain crowds of 37,000 if indeed the expansion took place.
4everfox Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 Sunderland have a relatively big fan-base. But I am confident that we could sustain crowds of 37,000 if indeed the expansion took place. Leicester have a relatively big fan base too. Similar in size to Sunderland's I reckon.
davieG Posted 9 June 2015 Posted 9 June 2015 The other aspect is that with a bigger stadium with bigger home crowds for as long as we're able to maintain a PL place could mean that in the almost but not entirely inevitable relegation we may just have increased our core support to a level nearing 30k who would continue to support the team in the Championship. when Sunderland got relegated in the early noughties they still managed to get crowds nudging 30k.
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