Strokes Posted 2 September 2015 Posted 2 September 2015 Funny that the people who moan about lack of free speech will be the ones to label anyone with an opposing view to theirs as 'loony leftie'.Shut up
MPH Posted 2 September 2015 Posted 2 September 2015 It's a fair point from Prussian... Where does freedom of speech end? I'd love to take the batteries out of the megaphone that the westboro Baptist Church use, for example....
inckley fox Posted 2 September 2015 Posted 2 September 2015 Freedom of speech is a fundamental human right! That is, the right to speak your mind freely, on important issues in society, with guaranteed freedom to express unpopular opinions, without fear of retribution. This always has, and should still be a fundamental human right, which in recent years has been impinged upon, by puerile political correctness, and various anti British legislation. Discuss. Are you a big fan of all the other human rights too? For my part, I am. But I thought I should ask anyway.
ozleicester Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 What happened to Free speech...? Too many racist, homophobic fvckwits misunderstand what Free speech actually is and try to use it as a way to spew forth copious amounts of vile crap, to abuse and vilify others and to create hate. So then society makes it clear to those c0ckends that their behaviour and opinions were unacceptable in the workforce and public in general, so the ignorami then moved on to the internet and football forums where they moaned about the unfairness of not being allowed free speech by starting topics about it. Eventually, like all dinosaurs and things which have outlived their usefulness they become extinct and world is a better place as a result.
Merging Cultures Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Freedom if speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence. Whether the consequence is a punch in the face or a court case. Also, on private property, or a private internet forum, the owner can set their rules and if the owner doesn't like what is said they can remove the person. Obviously, they can't discriminate against someone based on gender, race, religion, or sexual preferences. So in general, people can't just say whatever they want and claim free speech. Which is a good thing as it protects vulnerable people and minorities.
Sampson Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 The middle-class, white, heterosexual, cis-gender, western male is the most oppressed demographic in the world. Orwell wrote 1984 as a warning not a blueprint. Better skilled Immigrants took my job. Chuck Palahniuk is my idol. Rabble rabble rabble.
Webbo Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 What happened to Free speech...? Too many racist, homophobic fvckwits misunderstand what Free speech actually is and try to use it as a way to spew forth copious amounts of vile crap, to abuse and vilify others and to create hate. So then society makes it clear to those c0ckends that their behaviour and opinions were unacceptable in the workforce and public in general, so the ignorami then moved on to the internet and football forums where they moaned about the unfairness of not being allowed free speech by starting topics about it. Eventually, like all dinosaurs and things which have outlived their usefulness they become extinct and world is a better place as a result. Who gets to decide what is acceptable though? You yourself have spewed some barmy, some would find, offensive crap recently. People have argued with you but nobody's said you shouldn't be allowed to say it.
ozleicester Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Who gets to decide what is acceptable though? You yourself have spewed some barmy, some would find, offensive crap recently. People have argued with you but nobody's said you shouldn't be allowed to say it. How very dare you?............Im offended! Barmy .. i can see that some might see it that way. Offensive, i wouldn't have thought so. And to be fair, there have been a number of people who have suggested i shouldnt be allowed to post certain things, so im a big fan of free speech, as long as its intent is not to harm.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Funny that the people who moan about lack of free speech will be the ones to label anyone with an opposing view to theirs as 'loony leftie'. Much like how everyone who disagrees with the left in branded a heartless, thick, selfish, racist, bigoted, homophobic UKIP supporter. The far left are just as bad as the far right except they place themselves on some kind of morale high ground. I know left wingers just like Corbin, they are some of the most horrible mouth frothing ***** you could ever meet, so much pent up anger about Thatcher and coal mines. At the end of the day full socialism has proven to the world many times it does not work, to much taxation and state influence is bad, I am amazed people want to return to 1979.
Steven Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 What happened to Free speech...? Too many racist, homophobic fvckwits misunderstand what Free speech actually is and try to use it as a way to spew forth copious amounts of vile crap, to abuse and vilify others and to create hate. So then society makes it clear to those c0ckends that their behaviour and opinions were unacceptable in the workforce and public in general, so the ignorami then moved on to the internet and football forums where they moaned about the unfairness of not being allowed free speech by starting topics about it. Eventually, like all dinosaurs and things which have outlived their usefulness they become extinct and world is a better place as a result. Booing Adam Goodes is ok as "Free Speech"; isn't it?
Thracian Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 What happened to Free speech...? Too many racist, homophobic fvckwits misunderstand what Free speech actually is and try to use it as a way to spew forth copious amounts of vile crap, to abuse and vilify others and to create hate. So then society makes it clear to those c0ckends that their behaviour and opinions were unacceptable in the workforce and public in general, so the ignorami then moved on to the internet and football forums where they moaned about the unfairness of not being allowed free speech by starting topics about it. Eventually, like all dinosaurs and things which have outlived their usefulness they become extinct and world is a better place as a result. The world has never looked more shitty to me not least because of people using their human (or inhuman) "rights" - man given. God-given or just awarded to themselves as a matter of convenience - to piss on the rights of others.
Thracian Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Much like how everyone who disagrees with the left in branded a heartless, thick, selfish, racist, bigoted, homophobic UKIP supporter. The far left are just as bad as the far right except they place themselves on some kind of morale high ground. I know left wingers just like Corbin, they are some of the most horrible mouth frothing ***** you could ever meet, so much pent up anger about Thatcher and coal mines. At the end of the day full socialism has proven to the world many times it does not work, to much taxation and state influence is bad, I am amazed people want to return to 1979. I'm surprised the legions of lefties on here are even allowing this conversation. Perhaps they're otherwise occupied giving a collective "three cheers" for the "better world" they've created and which they believe we should all be obliged/forced to sanction and be controlled by.
ian1984summer Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Freedom of speech is a fundamental human right! That is, the right to speak your mind freely, on important issues in society, with guaranteed freedom to express unpopular opinions, without fear of retribution. This always has, and should still be a fundamental human right, which in recent years has been impinged upon, by puerile political correctness, and various anti British legislation. Discuss. just out of curiosity, did you come up with this question yourself for did you simply copy any paste it from a website and post it, in an attempt to look intelligent? this is a rhetorical question as I just saw it on line.
Finnegan Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 I'm surprised the legions of lefties on here are even allowing this conversation. Perhaps they're otherwise occupied giving a collective "three cheers" for the "better world" they've created and which they believe we should all be obliged/forced to sanction and be controlled by. Actually, I was preoccupied eyerolling and tutting at thread #35685 moaning about the same stupid shit.
Rincewind Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Strange some saying it is those with slightly left wing views that want to restrict freedom of speech when it is the Tory Government that wants to remove sections of the Human Rights act. They are also planning to make changes to the FOI act making it more difficult for members of the public to see material that will be deemed sensitive and embarrassing for certain people in high positions.
Thracian Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Freedom if speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence. Whether the consequence is a punch in the face or a court case. Also, on private property, or a private internet forum, the owner can set their rules and if the owner doesn't like what is said they can remove the person. Obviously, they can't discriminate against someone based on gender, race, religion, or sexual preferences. So in general, people can't just say whatever they want and claim free speech. Which is a good thing as it protects vulnerable people and minorities. Strange though that human rights seem to create consequences that impose on other people's rights. their wellbeing and the willingness of those in control to listen to their "free speech" in voicing their complaints. The truth is we're all controlled by the flawed theory of consensus by people determined to impose their viewpoint over all others in whatever way is most effective...whether it's sensible or not. Me, I detest being controlled for all that it seems unavoidable to a greater or lesser extent. The saddest thing of all is that for all the centuries man has lived on Earth they cannot agree and effectively apply even the basis for a fair and just society or co-existence. It really does emphasise the limits of the mind as it has evolved so far. People mean well - its just that their thinking is so relentlessly influenced from birth and the moment that influence is flawed, so others are affected by those flaws rather like the spread of an insidious disease. I'm always reminded that education should teach people how to think, not what to think.
Finnegan Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 European Union, human rights act. China, not so. European Union, fantastic freedom of speech. China, yeah... no. Wonder where I'd rather live. Or Tony for that matter.
Webbo Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 What has any of this got to do with the human rights act? As I understand the changes are intended to make it easier to deport illegal immigrants,nothing to do with freedom of speech.
Thracian Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Strange some saying it is those with slightly left wing views that want to restrict freedom of speech when it is the Tory Government that wants to remove sections of the Human Rights act. They are also planning to make changes to the FOI act making it more difficult for members of the public to see material that will be deemed sensitive and embarrassing for certain people in high positions. And precisely which government doesn't and didn't cover things up? I really have no time for any of them anymore. The levels of corruption n would be terminal when applied to something like cancer. Powerful people at every level - and others if the truth's known - have always sought to cover their tracks when it suited them and neither the FOIA nor anything else will change that as the most recent instances only serve to demonstrate. As for the Human Rights legislation, it is fundamentally flawed and should be torn up and re-written by someone with at least a modicum of common sense and understanding - if such a person actually exists. Why you refer to this in party political terms I don't know - any more than I fail to understand why you somehow believe the Godforsaken Labour Party will somehow do more for you than the Conservatives. It's a long time since Labour helped the working man - or even the non-working man. Even their call for the UK to take more refugees is just a smokescreen for the importing of more votes by the backdoor. I spent recent months working in politics and its so distasteful I quickly spit it out. The impression I got was of people who fundamentally cared about one thing only - themselves and their pathway to a well-cushioned career - and there was nothing they wouldn't do to effect that end if they could get away with it. They'd stab anyone in the back if it served.
Steven Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Strange some saying it is those with slightly left wing views that want to restrict freedom of speech when it is the Tory Government that wants to remove sections of the Human Rights act. They are also planning to make changes to the FOI act making it more difficult for members of the public to see material that will be deemed sensitive and embarrassing for certain people in high positions. Quite.
Thracian Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 European Union, human rights act. China, not so. European Union, fantastic freedom of speech. China, yeah... no. Wonder where I'd rather live. Or Tony for that matter. Much depends on where you live and what you do in China. Leicester University is teeming with Chinese. The Chinese people I know and love are bi or tri-lingual, widely educated, comfortably off, well informed, trustworthy and absolutely lovely people to know. But they live in the relatively affluent and westernised city of Shanghai. Go out into the distant provinces and there are impoverished people in rustic villages with a central loo. China or England? It'd depend on the company, although I have to admit that the Chinese I know would love to live here! There's nothing there to compare with London, Oxford or English pubs so I'm told!
Mike Oxlong Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 No such thing as free speech. Just varying scales of permissibility.
The Railway Man Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 What da fuq has the humans rights acts got to do with FOS?
Merging Cultures Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 Strange though that human rights seem to create consequences that impose on other people's rights. their wellbeing and the willingness of those in control to listen to their "free speech" in voicing their complaints. The truth is we're all controlled by the flawed theory of consensus by people determined to impose their viewpoint over all others in whatever way is most effective...whether it's sensible or not. Me, I detest being controlled for all that it seems unavoidable to a greater or lesser extent. The saddest thing of all is that for all the centuries man has lived on Earth they cannot agree and effectively apply even the basis for a fair and just society or co-existence. It really does emphasise the limits of the mind as it has evolved so far. People mean well - its just that their thinking is so relentlessly influenced from birth and the moment that influence is flawed, so others are affected by those flaws rather like the spread of an insidious disease. I'm always reminded that education should teach people how to think, not what to think. Can some translate this for me?!
Mark_w Posted 3 September 2015 Posted 3 September 2015 I'm seriously tempted to lock this thread just to be ironic. Just ban Dangerous Tiger from posting in it.
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