Webbo Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 How are the homeless not offered help? There's huge amounts of help on offer for them. Tell Ken will you?
BlueSi13 Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 is this proven to be the reason or have you read it/heard it somewhere? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=71&v=M8xkYZNsKUY
Richmondfox Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 The ones making a fuss in Budapest are ungrateful parasites, it's not a nice thing to say and uncomfortable to hear. You would think they would be happy to be away from the threat of ISIS which is why they say they are leaving. The same for 'refugees' in Germany that have been trashing detention centres, you know safe, clean places away from what ever persecution they were facing with 3 free meals a day. People might be more willing to offer help/accept refugees if we didn't have to let everyone in from the EU. The people in Calais should be arrested and deported, they have had long enough to claim asylum in France or the many countries they passed on the way. Sweden has a problem with Roma gypsies, in Stockholm you can't walk 10 metres without someone sitting on the floor with their hand out or begging aggressively. The vocal minority get the attention in todays social media friendly world but attitudes seem to be changing. Denmark has halved the amount of money asylum seekers get and reduced the number they accept. Regarding the post in the Mercury from the councillor, that's just what Leicester needs another group of men to hang around the city centre to not integrate and demand everybody bends over to their cultural beliefs. Does anyone remember years ago the old hotel on Humberstone Rd opposite The Three Cranes pub? Didn't that house refugees once and it was trashed in the process? I expect more car washes to be popping up very soon.
johnny the fox Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Merkel wanted them, she can have them and keep them!! her big mouth will cost a lot of lives..
bmt Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 There are some truly miserable souls in this thread. A lot of the problems caused which these human beings are fleeing has been made by imperial notions or other forms of meddling by Britain and its allies. We owe many of these people a favour. Whatever you may say, whilst you are sitting in your nice warm 3 bedroomed house telling everyone about how full the country is and how hard it is to cope on your £40k salary, Eritrea has an average gdp of around $400 a year. These people need help. And the vast majority of those fleeing from Syria and other countries are fleeing for their lives from problems they had no part in creating. No, we can't take in all the refugees. But we can take a bloody lot quite safely, and whilst we help try to correct the problems in their respective countries (and not just by bombing them and arming the next regime to deal with the consequences) we have a responsibility, as a rich country, to help.
RedSoxUK Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=71&v=M8xkYZNsKUY You found the video!
johnny the fox Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 There are some truly miserable souls in this thread. A lot of the problems caused which these human beings are fleeing has been made by imperial notions or other forms of meddling by Britain and its allies. We owe many of these people a favour. Whatever you may say, whilst you are sitting in your nice warm 3 bedroomed house telling everyone about how full the country is and how hard it is to cope on your £40k salary, Eritrea has an average gdp of around $400 a year. These people need help. And the vast majority of those fleeing from Syria and other countries are fleeing for their lives from problems they had no part in creating. No, we can't take in all the refugees. But we can take a bloody lot quite safely, and whilst we help try to correct the problems in their respective countries (and not just by bombing them and arming the next regime to deal with the consequences) we have a responsibility, as a rich country, to help. Totally agree mate...how many are you taking into your house? Bob will pass a few on..
lianne81 Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 There are some truly miserable souls in this thread. A lot of the problems caused which these human beings are fleeing has been made by imperial notions or other forms of meddling by Britain and its allies. We owe many of these people a favour. Whatever you may say, whilst you are sitting in your nice warm 3 bedroomed house telling everyone about how full the country is and how hard it is to cope on your £40k salary, Eritrea has an average gdp of around $400 a year. These people need help. And the vast majority of those fleeing from Syria and other countries are fleeing for their lives from problems they had no part in creating. No, we can't take in all the refugees. But we can take a bloody lot quite safely, and whilst we help try to correct the problems in their respective countries (and not just by bombing them and arming the next regime to deal with the consequences) we have a responsibility, as a rich country, to help. I agree to an extent , i don't believe people are being miserable but they just having there view on the matter and worried about there country. I think any that are allowed in and i think only woman and children should be to start of with should be given less money etc , take in the most vulnerable xx
EastAnglianFox Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Feel for the forces of Hungary, been made out to be absolute evil. Any chance they will want out of the EU after this?
fuchsntf Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 There are 1000s of opinions, from the guy on the street, the European meps, Country politicians. Do-gooders, bad-gooders. People this aint going to go away, these people have decided they dont like being shot at, fed up of rebuilding then their houses and lives over generations beeing ruined, by outside influences, their own manic countrymen, gangsters, criminals, and whatever language..real Bastards.Many are not daft, have a reasonable education, and NOW have said...excuse the french, but no better words, to explain their predicament, they have somehow got together, and said... **** it, **** them..whoever it is, we aint to blame, we are off, whether we and our children die on my towns street, on a boat, on the shore, while fleeing, We've had over generations enough of this crap From our side, educated society, invented developed alot of stuff on the way, civilised/organised EG countries cant get their act together. There are around Europe, so many emtpy buildings, still with half descent sanitation, simple cooking-capabilities, Buildings, that if we could forget rules and regulations for a moment, are now available... #Around Europe there old now non-used but functional military buildings. #Empty government buildings #Older industrial buildings # Even 1000s of empty EG government flats and appartments in each country # Old train and busstation empty buildings #Rows and blocks of houses, that need simple renovation all around Europe.( not deralict) Organise the customs-group, take on extra experience workers, (some now unemployed) Get the refugees in and tell them to help to renovate /bring the buildings into acceptable living conditions. No free tvs or cars, no luxury Items, but a safe easy place to stay.To help pay for their own benifits,. Use learnt skills, from Builders, plumbers, doctors, to help build their newly given enviroment and local infrastructure. Let them first create their own schools, on short term basis.Get unemployed teachers to give their time, to help with language of the host country. This is a unique situation it needs a unique but simple solution. The refugees by the end of this year could well run in 4-10 million the equivilant of 3-4 small countries. This is a major problems where public and private business employers, need to give a free hand, for a short period. No cowboys or sharks to get their dirty mits on it, the refugees have had enough of those already. The individual governments quite rightly should ask for the world charitable organisations to help them, with priority 1. I repeat this is a unique situation, if ignored to any degree, the developed nations being swamped will collapse, on sheer numbers, and lack of infrastructure.Illegal immigrants would be impossible to control The bubble has burst. Our world wars lasted each 5 years. These African/middle-east/old Persia conflicts have been running around 20-30 years, with various racial genocide, pig ignorant power struggles. Some blaming the West but still murdering their own kind, and destroying their own civilisations. DONT FORGET, the Mr avg normal western guy/gal no matter from what roots, cant see any good guys, within the conrontations....l
Parafox Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Anyone read the new statesmen? UK press (you know which ones) are scumbags. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2015/09/cockroaches-campaigns-how-uk-press-u-turned-refugee-crisis Just proves that they will reflect what they believe to be the populist view at any one point in time in order to sell papers. They have no moral backbone and sway with opinion rather than trying to sway opinion.
BlueSi13 Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 There are some truly miserable souls in this thread. A lot of the problems caused which these human beings are fleeing has been made by imperial notions or other forms of meddling by Britain and its allies. We owe many of these people a favour. Whatever you may say, whilst you are sitting in your nice warm 3 bedroomed house telling everyone about how full the country is and how hard it is to cope on your £40k salary, Eritrea has an average gdp of around $400 a year. These people need help. And the vast majority of those fleeing from Syria and other countries are fleeing for their lives from problems they had no part in creating. No, we can't take in all the refugees. But we can take a bloody lot quite safely, and whilst we help try to correct the problems in their respective countries (and not just by bombing them and arming the next regime to deal with the consequences) we have a responsibility, as a rich country, to help. You see it's comments like this that annoy me as it highlights serious hand-wringing, self-loathing and white-guilt. The conflicts we are seeing in the Middle-East have been going on for hundreds of years, there's nothing new about them. As for owing them a favour, since 2000 the UK has added millions to it's population thanks to immigration, irreversibly changing it's cultural landscape forever (over 500,000 came to the UK just last year remember), and we are the most generous nation in Europe by a million miles in terms of foreign aid. Yet you say that still isn't enough.
Frank to be Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 I do think "we owe them a favour" is a bit OTT. Perhaps Tony Blair owes them a favour. I'm sure he has room in one of his houses for several families. Downing Street isn't exactly densely populated either. These are not realistic solutions, of course, but when we live in a society where the rulers regularly lie, deceive and steal for their own benefit and have no accountability for their actions I'm not surprised that the public, who have done nothing wrong, become irritated when told they should be feeling guilty and should sacrifice their own well being to help the victims of something they had no part in creating, and in many cases were dead against our government's actions. Seems our 'leaders' are very much of the "do what I say, not what I do" variety.
Hawkers Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Feel for the forces of Hungary, been made out to be absolute evil. Any chance they will want out of the EU after this? I was in Budapest Keleti station yesterday and if it wasn't for the numerous tv crews and cameras around I felt they would have been happy to show a more evil side. The Hungarian media and politicians are much like their British counterparts on this subject in their manner of breeding fear and hate against these refugees. I spoke to Hungarians angry at their refusal to work and their drain on the country's resources when in fact 1. They're not allowed to work or do pretty much anything but wait while they're here and 2. The resources they are draining are supplied by the EU and with a very healthy amount skimmed off the top by Hungary's government. Basically it's being made very clear to them that they are not welcome in Hungary so why wouldn't they try to keep moving to find refuge.
Hawkers Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Just to add, Hungary is a great country and Budapest a fantastic city but the government are very conservative and outrageously corrupt.
Frank to be Posted 4 September 2015 Posted 4 September 2015 Just to add, Hungary is a great country and Budapest a fantastic city but the government are very conservative and outrageously corrupt. That seems to be the case almost everywhere. Politicians will do their best to ruin everything.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 I'm surprised by how left/corbynist people are about this. Realistically the country is overpopulated at the moment, we can't build houses quick enough and it's skint. But then again, it must be pretty shit to be that scared to have to run away from your family and to take that desperate a measure as to risk your life. I was listening to Radio 4 earlier and they were saying about how this 'crisis' could have been averted if we had listened to Turkey's idea of setting up a safe haven in Syria and it being policed by the UN. Also why aren't rich Muslim countries such as Qatar or Dubai stepping in? Surely those escaping Syria would feel more at home in a Muslim society rather than an extremely diverse and in parts poor Europe.
Danno Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 I'm surprised by how left/corbynist people are about this. Realistically the country is overpopulated at the moment, we can't build houses quick enough and it's skint. What ? . 90% of Britain is not built on and we are one of the richest nations on earth, far from skint.
Jock Wallace Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 refugees welcome flag.. who can do it? thank you. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/03/english-football-supporters-groups-refugees-welcome-banners
Bellend Sebastian Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 I'm not attempting to influence anyone's opinion by posting this, but amidst all the conjecture on here about migrant's motivations, I thought the interviews in this piece were quite interesting: http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/sep/04/syrian-refugees-pack-for-the-crossing-to-europe-crisisA
st albans fox Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 Politics and sport ...................... anyway, I thought it was sold out next Sunday ?
Matt Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 Are Villa gonna do a minutes clap in certain minute aswell? They love a minutes clap in a certain minute.
johnny the fox Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 WS bbc reporter..went to a refugee camp in hungary..asked to speak to the female refugee's about the situation, they looked at their men, they shook their heads and wouldn't allow it....that is the problem, sadly it won't change when they are finally living here.
johnny the fox Posted 5 September 2015 Posted 5 September 2015 does that include refugees from forest and cov?
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