Guest MattP Posted 21 January 2016 Posted 21 January 2016 TBH I don't think anyone knows. If the diplomats politicians and best brains in the world cannot find a solution how are the average Joe going to? Thoughts are all we have and they will vary hell of a lot before it is all over. I'd bring in DNO and Jeremy Corbyn, it could be the dreamteam of the century. He answers calmly and clearly. Providing the vile Murdoch press don't get in the way of World Peace.
Rincewind Posted 21 January 2016 Posted 21 January 2016 I'd bring in DNO and Jeremy Corbyn, it could be the dreamteam of the century. He answers calmly and clearly. Providing the vile Murdoch press don't get in the way of World Peace. Don't be silly.
Rincewind Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 They are only a century behind us in attitudes. It was only 100 years ago that women here used to be chaperoned and a bloke had to ask permission to 'walk' a girl. Some might say the women are protected too much.
Guest MattP Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 They are only a century behind us in attitudes. It was only 100 years ago that women here used to be chaperoned and a bloke had to ask permission to 'walk' a girl. Some might say the women are protected too much. I bet you wouldn't if you had a young daughter going out on the town in Cologne.
Rincewind Posted 22 January 2016 Posted 22 January 2016 I bet you wouldn't if you had a young daughter going out on the town in Cologne. No probably not.
Jon the Hat Posted 25 January 2016 Posted 25 January 2016 They are only a century behind us in attitudes. It was only 100 years ago that women here used to be chaperoned and a bloke had to ask permission to 'walk' a girl. Some might say the women are protected too much. What? You've lost me there Ken, women should not be protected from sexual assault?
Merging Cultures Posted 25 January 2016 Posted 25 January 2016 They do bring it on themselves though, with all those short skirts and everything.
Rincewind Posted 25 January 2016 Posted 25 January 2016 I was saying they do protect women hence the veils and long dresses. Just like it was in the Western world up to the 20th century. Their culture has not caught up yet. It was only in the fifties and sixties that girls with skirt hemlines above the knees were thought to be on the game by some people. Just look at the Carry On films to see how women were thought of. Most of you on here would not remember though and grew up in a different age.No excuse for the assaults though.I trust those responsible are caught and punished. I am sure all agree with that.
Countryfox Posted 25 January 2016 Posted 25 January 2016 I was saying they do protect women hence the veils and long dresses. Just like it was in the Western world up to the 20th century. Their culture has not caught up yet. You're absolutely right it was very similar then Rince ..... I remember my old grandad talking about when he was a boy ..... His mum was hardly ever let out and was never taught to read and write, she was held down by a few other women in the village once and they did some sort of mutilation to her (down below ?!?), and she was caught looking out the window one day so grandads dad gave her 50 lashes in the street; but worse was to come when she said hello to the neighbour (who was a man !!) when she was hanging the washing out one day, and so grandads dad buried in the ground with only her head showing and he and his mates stoned her to death when they came home from the pub. It was alright though cus grandads dad had about 8 other wives to look after them.
bovril Posted 25 January 2016 Posted 25 January 2016 You're absolutely right it was very similar then Rince ..... I remember my old grandad talking about when he was a boy ..... His mum was hardly ever let out and was never taught to read and write, she was held down by a few other women in the village once and they did some sort of mutilation to her (down below ?!?), and she was caught looking out the window one day so grandads dad gave her 50 lashes in the street; but worse was to come when she said hello to the neighbour (who was a man !!) when she was hanging the washing out one day, and so grandads dad buried in the ground with only her head showing and he and his mates stoned her to death when they came home from the pub. It was alright though cus grandads dad had about 8 other wives to look after them. Did you grow up in Middlesbrough?
Strokes Posted 25 January 2016 Posted 25 January 2016 Did you grow up in Middlesbrough? Eyres Monsell?
Rincewind Posted 25 January 2016 Posted 25 January 2016 I realise you are joking CF but I grew up at a time when a woman's place was regarded as in the home cooking cleaning and raising kids. Admittedly things were starting to change but not for my mum. I can only go by my experience and what I saw in my own social circles. My dad used to give my mum a set amount of housekeeping then spend the rest on fags and horses. Sometimes he used the housekeeping too. He grew up in a house where he had all sisters who did the housework so knew nothing else. I am just saying if you know nothing else it is hard to change overnight.
Countryfox Posted 25 January 2016 Posted 25 January 2016 I realise you are joking CF but I grew up at a time when a woman's place was regarded as in the home cooking cleaning and raising kids. Admittedly things were starting to change but not for my mum. I can only go by my experience and what I saw in my own social circles. My dad used to give my mum a set amount of housekeeping then spend the rest on fags and horses. Sometimes he used the housekeeping too. He grew up in a house where he had all sisters who did the housework so knew nothing else. I am just saying if you know nothing else it is hard to change overnight. I slightly mistook your comment to read that their culture is the same as ours was 100 years ago .... which is probably not what you meant at all ! When it comes to tolerance of other peoples, their traditions, customs and views I am 100% behind it but some things are just plain wrong and we should do all within our power to try and change them. One of those things is the attitude of some to females and unfortunately when these two viewpoints collide there is a recipe for trouble. I must admit I feel very strongly about what is happening to western women in Cologne and over here and believe that if something isn't done there will be 'trouble on the streets' to put it very mildly. We must stand up for values we believe in and somehow stop the abuse of them in our society .... whether it be the way women are treated to allowing the butchering of animals by cutting their throats and letting them bleed to death. A byproduct of the migrant crisis is that unfortunately things will only get worse which is concerning. And by the way my dad was about the same !
Countryfox Posted 25 January 2016 Posted 25 January 2016 Eyres Monsell? Just round the corner but they let me play football with them on the bully.
MPH Posted 26 January 2016 Posted 26 January 2016 Denmark approves controversial migrant assets bill 27 minutes ago From the sectionEurope Image copyrightGetty ImagesImage captionDenmark expects to receive around 20,000 asylum seekers in 2016 Migrant crisis Turkey 'acting illegally' over Syria refugees Tightened borders give migrants chill on Europe's frontier The Danish parliament has backed a controversial proposal to confiscate asylum seekers' valuables to pay for their upkeep. Denmark says the policy brings migrants in line with jobless Danes, who must sell assets above a certain level to claim benefits. MPs also approved plans to delay family reunions for asylum seekers. The bill was expected to go through even though it had been criticised by human rights groups. Under the new law, refugees entering the country will only be allowed to keep possessions up to a value of about 10,000 kroner (1,340 euros; £1,000) - a figure raised from 3,000 kroner following objections. Items of sentimental value, such as wedding rings, will be exempt. Danish critics have likened the move to the confiscation of valuables from Jews during World War Two. The new law also means the period migrants will have to wait before applying for relatives to join them will be extended from one year to three - a move aimed at discouraging new arrivals. Temporary residence permits will be shortened and the conditions for obtaining a permanent permit will be restricted. Denmark expects to receive around 20,000 asylum seekers in 2016, compared with 15,000 last year, the integration ministry told BBC News. Jump media player Media player help Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Media caption"I left with nothing ... if I had jewellery, I wouldn't be here" MPs approved the measures by 81 votes to 27 following a lengthy, and at times angry, debate. The centre-left opposition Social Democrats were among those who voted in favour. Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen of the centre-right Venstre party had previously shrugged off criticism of the proposals calling them "the most misunderstood bill in Denmark's history". The UN refugee agency (UNHCR) and the European Commission had criticised the proposals. Speaking before the vote, UNHCR spokesman Adrian Edwards told reporters in Geneva the measures would cause hardship and harm. "The decision to give Danish police the authority to search and confiscate valuables from asylum seekers sends damaging messages in our view," he said. "It runs the risk of fuelling sentiments of fear and discrimination rather than promoting solidarity with people in need of protection." Denmark is not the first European country to demand the assets of asylum seekers. Earlier this month, Switzerland was criticised by a refugee group for seizing assets from some 100 people in 2015. Under Swiss rules, asylum seekers have to hand over assets above $1,000 (£700; €900).
Alf Bentley Posted 27 January 2016 Posted 27 January 2016 Interesting article: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/afefff32-c347-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e.html#ixzz3yQuyGGRR http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/afefff32-c347-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e.html#axzz3yQsUrQy3 "The EU has faced two major crises over the past six months — one involving the euro, the other involving refugees. By coincidence, the same two countries are at the centre of both problems — Greece and Germany. Last summer, Germany almost forced Greece out of the euro, rather than agree to the EU lending further billions to the Greek government. Now, Germany is reeling under the impact of the arrival of more than 1m would-be refugees, most of whom have entered the EU through Greece. It is time to think creatively about how these two problems could be linked into a diplomatic package that helps to fix them both. The broad outlines of the deal would be simple. Greece agrees to seal its northern border with EU help, stopping the flow of migrants into northern Europe. In return, Germany agrees to a massive writedown of Greek debt, as well as immediate financial aid to cope with the current crisis. Refugees arriving in Greece are then housed in EU-run camps on Greek islands in the expectation that they will return to Syria (or wherever else they are fleeing) once peace is restored". I'm not sure how workable this would be in practice (I imagine that the Greek-Macedonian border is pretty hard to control reliably - not to mention the potential for migrant access via Bulgaria or Albania) or how acceptable such a deal would be to Germany, Greece or the rest of the EU. However, with no sign of an early solution to the Syrian conflict and spring set to bring a further upsurge in migration into Europe, it might be a solution worth considering....
Rincewind Posted 27 January 2016 Posted 27 January 2016 We are talking about politians here Alf. They do not think the same way as you.But as they are both complex situations I do not have any better suggestions than yours.
Furtle Posted 27 January 2016 Posted 27 January 2016 Just round the corner but they let me play football with them on the bully. ....reluctantly... and only at the crappy top end near the flats.
Countryfox Posted 27 January 2016 Posted 27 January 2016 ....reluctantly... and only at the crappy top end near the flats. Just outside your house then ...
EastAnglianFox Posted 27 January 2016 Posted 27 January 2016 Lefties everywhere outraged it seems at the PM using the sentence "bunch of migrants" today! Jesus this country is soft, and will be used against us until it's to late.
Strokes Posted 27 January 2016 Posted 27 January 2016 What's is the collective term for migrants? A herd?
EastAnglianFox Posted 27 January 2016 Posted 27 January 2016 What's is the collective term for migrants? A herd? I preferred his earlier effort of "Swarm" to be fair, although "a shit load" of migrants would take some beating
bovril Posted 27 January 2016 Posted 27 January 2016 I believe it's a badelynge. Migrants and ducks. Badelynge.
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