The Car thread

[kenny]

9 minutes ago, kenny said:

You can get a 2019 leaf in that price range.

@Parafox is , I love ours. 

[kenny]

53 minutes ago, kenny said:

@Parafox is , I love ours. 

@Grebfromgrebland can do one as well!

[TeamRocket]

2 hours ago, Richard said:

Mazda 2 1.6 or a Mazda 3 2.0 petrol. Skyactiv engines are very reliable so you can comfortably stretch to higher mileage and get good economy on motorway drives without worrying about DPF issues in the city 

Good shout will look put for these thanks

[Grebfromgrebland]

38 minutes ago, kenny said:

@Grebfromgrebland can do one as well!

Ha sorry I'm sure it's the perfect car for you 

[kenny]

22 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Ha sorry I'm sure it's the perfect car for you 

We paid £17k for a brand new one 2 years ago and I can't fault it. Pound for pound its been the best car we have owned.

 

Our plan is to hold onto it as our second car until its warranty expires after 7 years.

[Grebfromgrebland]

In fairness you have one of the newer models which are really good.  The older ones have range issues which I couldn't get on with.

[kenny]

16 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

In fairness you have one of the newer models which are really good.  The older ones have range issues which I couldn't get on with.

Only 168 miles, which covers 98% of our journeys without using a public charger. We have driven it fully loaded to Scotland without much issue.

 

It has an older Chadamo charger with is a slight pain as it reduces the number of chargers available.

 

But the model we have can be bought for £4-5k and will still be covered by the 7 year battery warranty. Nissan guarantee that all cells will sit at a minimum of 80% after 7 years of use.

[Muzzy_no7]

Anyone Lease their cars? Or salary sacrifice schemes?

 

Looking to upgrade over the next few months and exploring options. 

[Milo]

14 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Anyone Lease their cars? Or salary sacrifice schemes?

 

Looking to upgrade over the next few months and exploring options. 

I've always either bought outright or PCP'd my cars and traded up every 3 years or so.

 

I bought an EV on PCP a few years ago, expecting the same residual/equity to be in the car when I came to trade up this time - but it wasn't. EV's have tanked in price (which is great as long as you're not on a PCP)!

 

So I am pretty sure I will lease in the next couple of months. Octopus Energy are doing some pretty good deals (oddly) on leases - with servicing, tax, MOT's etc all included...plus 800 miles free public charging credit plus 8,000 miles free home charging.

 

Low BIK and 50% off the VAT makes it pretty much a no brainer - at least until things settle down a bit with EV pricing.  

[Muzzy_no7]

3 minutes ago, Milo said:

I've always either bought outright or PCP'd my cars and traded up every 3 years or so.

 

I bought an EV on PCP a few years ago, expecting the same residual/equity to be in the car when I came to trade up this time - but it wasn't. EV's have tanked in price (which is great as long as you're not on a PCP)!

 

So I am pretty sure I will lease in the next couple of months. Octopus Energy are doing some pretty good deals (oddly) on leases - with servicing, tax, MOT's etc all included...plus 800 miles free public charging credit plus 8,000 miles free home charging.

 

Low BIK and 50% off the VAT makes it pretty much a no brainer - at least until things settle down a bit with EV pricing.  

EV just won’t for us, looking at Hybrids.

 

It does seem the best deals, if you want a new car every 2-3 years are leases. 

[The Bear]

Indeed. Tesla are currently leasing brand new Model 3s via their website for as little as £225 p/m over 2 years. 

[kenny]

5 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Indeed. Tesla are currently leasing brand new Model 3s via their website for as little as £225 p/m over 2 years. 

It makes you a tacit supporter of Elon Musk though doesn't it? Better to support our CCP overlords IMO.

[The Bear]

1 minute ago, kenny said:

It makes you a tacit supporter of Elon Musk though doesn't it? Better to support our CCP overlords IMO.

It's a bit like saying I'll never listen to a Michael Jackson song ever again.

 

I can separate the man from the car. 

[kenny]

2 minutes ago, The Bear said:

It's a bit like saying I'll never listen to a Michael Jackson song ever again.

 

I can separate the man from the car. 

Fair play. I abstain on both as I cannot bring myself to do that.

 

So far I haven't started supporting the CCP car exports, but I have thought about it.

[fleshdaddy]

7 hours ago, The Bear said:

Indeed. Tesla are currently leasing brand new Model 3s via their website for as little as £225 p/m over 2 years. 

Damn, that's a very decent deal!

[The Bear]

2 hours ago, fleshdaddy said:

Damn, that's a very decent deal!

I've even heard that some people have been able to wait until the car is delivered and rhe contract starts, then phone the finance company up and negotiate even lower monthly payments for longer 3-4 year terms. 

[fox_favourite]

What is with this craze of putting a horrid looking copper looking tint on wind screens all of a sudden?! It looks utter crap on cars, especially newer ones. In what world do people think, year I'm going to put a rusty looking tint on my windows?! 

 

People are so weird 

[MC Prussian]

The new Volkswagen ID Polo looks nice. Shame E-cars are so bloody expensive.

£25k upwards. You're having a laugh.

[The Bear]

1 hour ago, MC Prussian said:

The new Volkswagen ID Polo looks nice. Shame E-cars are so bloody expensive.

£25k upwards. You're having a laugh.

I like a lot of the VW EVs. Particularly the iD3 and iD4. Though they were notorious for having a terrible infotainment system which I think has improved now tbf. 

[Legend_in_blue]

2 hours ago, MC Prussian said:

The new Volkswagen ID Polo looks nice. Shame E-cars are so bloody expensive.

£25k upwards. You're having a laugh.

You can pick up a BMW iX1 for under 25k that is 3 years old with 30k mileage.  Similarly, you can get an Audi Q4 for even less.

 

Now is the time to switch to a second hand EV since the significant depreciation hit has taken place over those first three years.

 

There's no looking back imo - one month in with my EV and the monthly "fuel" bill is roughly £10.  

 

 

Edited 31 August by Legend_in_blue

[Bellend Sebastian]

Helpful news from EV world, and not just because I drive a Hyundai. Particularly useful to those who are likely to be owning a vehicle not covered by a warranty for all or some of the time they own it.

 

https://www.techradar.com/vehicle-tech/hybrid-electric-vehicles/hyundai-just-topped-the-worlds-largest-ev-battery-study-analysis-of-500-000-tests-sees-it-beat-tesla-to-the-long-term-battery-health-title

[Legend_in_blue]

6 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Helpful news from EV world, and not just because I drive a Hyundai. Particularly useful to those who are likely to be owning a vehicle not covered by a warranty for all or some of the time they own it.

 

https://www.techradar.com/vehicle-tech/hybrid-electric-vehicles/hyundai-just-topped-the-worlds-largest-ev-battery-study-analysis-of-500-000-tests-sees-it-beat-tesla-to-the-long-term-battery-health-title

 

This is why I would never buy a used EV outside of a main dealership.  You're on risky ground if you do although you should be ok for extended warranties that cover everything else other than the standard 8 year/100000 battery warranty.  BMW for example give you 12 months warranty and possibly a free service thrown in before you go down the extended warranty route.  

 

There's plenty of cheaper deals to be had at car supermarkets but I wouldn't go near them.  The cars are too complex to try going too cheap imo, go for a dealership for added peace of mind and pay a slightly higher price.

[Bellend Sebastian]

7 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

This is why I would never buy a used EV outside of a main dealership.  You're on risky ground if you do although you should be ok for extended warranties that cover everything else other than the standard 8 year/100000 battery warranty.  BMW for example give you 12 months warranty and possibly a free service thrown in before you go down the extended warranty route.  

 

There's plenty of cheaper deals to be had at car supermarkets but I wouldn't go near them.  The cars are too complex to try going too cheap imo, go for a dealership for added peace of mind and pay a slightly higher price.

Well I'd certainly agree that an abundance of caution when buying any car is the way to go, but my experience of main dealers over the years has been patchy to say the least. I don't know how much of a thing independent battery testing is at the moment but I would guess that would be the way forward if folk are to have any confidence in used purchases of EVs.

 

I have to say, I know loads of folk with EVs but I'm struggling to recall a used purchase amongst them. 

 

Of course EVs, like any electronic device, are fiendishly complex but I've not a clue what that complication translates into in terms of reliability and maintenance. It's also easy to forget how complicated ICE cars are - my brother-in-law is currently two months into an ongoing battle to find out what is wrong with his 2016 X-Trail diesel (according to the diagnostics: everything) and has already spent a lot of time and cash on work that was confidently predicted to solve the problem and has not. Is it the DPF? The EGR? The air intake sensor? We're about four garages in and nobody really knows

Edited 4 September by Bellend Sebastian

[FoyleFox]

15 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Well I'd certainly agree that an abundance of caution when buying any car is the way to go, but my experience of main dealers over the years has been patchy to say the least. I don't know how much of a thing independent battery testing is at the moment but I would guess that would be the way forward if folk are to have any confidence in used purchases of EVs.

 

I have to say, I know loads of folk with EVs but I'm struggling to recall a used purchase amongst them. 

 

Of course EVs, like any electronic device, are fiendishly complex but I've not a clue what that complication translates into in terms of reliability and maintenance. It's also easy to forget how complicated ICE cars are - my brother-in-law is currently two months into an ongoing battle to find out what is wrong with his 2016 X-Trail diesel (according to the diagnostics: everything) and has already spent a lot of time and cash on work that was confidently predicted to solve the problem and has not. Is it the DPF? The EGR? The air intake sensor? We're about four garages in and nobody really knows

I bought my EV used, it was from a dealership, though. 

 

I had far more issues with my last ICE car, the dealership (under warranty) suggested at one point it was the DPF... in my petrol car! 

[Bellend Sebastian]

9 hours ago, FoyleFox said:

I bought my EV used, it was from a dealership, though. 

 

I had far more issues with my last ICE car, the dealership (under warranty) suggested at one point it was the DPF... in my petrol car! 

The dealership for my current car have been OK for the most part, except from when they needed a week to diagnose that the car needed a replacement 12v battery, and then tried to book me in for this another month later when they already had the car