AKCJ Posted 17 March 2016 Posted 17 March 2016 Quite possibly the most pointless breaking news i've ever seen...
Dan Posted 17 March 2016 Posted 17 March 2016 You cant pick a team JUST on form players. They need to fit into a system. If that means playing a player better suited to the style or the system, so be it. There is also a large degree of trust that Woy has with certain players. This is natural, he knows what they will give him and what they can do. There isnt a whole lot of scope for change between now and the Euro's, i wouldnt expect Drinkwater to feature too heavily going forwards, but certainly Vardy needs to be utilised within the squad. It's quite hard to do when there is no obvious system that we will use. Different with someone like Leicester who could instantly say that a pacey forward/winger is likely to fit us but with England you just don't know. There's no direction.
EverybodyDannsNow Posted 17 March 2016 Posted 17 March 2016 ............................Hart........................... Walker.........Cahill........Smalling.........Rose. ............................Dier............................. ................Alli....................Drinkwater......... ..........................Barkley.......................... ....................Vardy............Kane
fuchsntf Posted 17 March 2016 Posted 17 March 2016 ....................Butland..................... Simpson.....Smalling....Cahill.....Rose .....................Dier/Noble.......................... Drinkwater.........Ali............Albrighton ..................Vardy......Kane................... Now give me the England job.!!!.
Donut Posted 18 March 2016 Posted 18 March 2016 im surprised not many think Danny Welbeck has a place in the side For me, hes always been a go to man for Hodgson and has been a consistent performer in the side. He could naturally fill an inside forward position which Hodsgon favours a lot too.
Bert Posted 18 March 2016 Posted 18 March 2016 Not that I want it to be but can see Hart Clyne Cahill Smalling Baines Henderson Wilshere/Milner (if JW not fit) Sterling Rooney Welbeck Sturridge That's a banker Hodgson team.
Guest ttfn Posted 18 March 2016 Posted 18 March 2016 Assuming everyone's fit I'd go with: Hart Clyne Smalling Cahill Rose Dier Drinkwater Alli Sterling Sturridge Kane I don't think Vardy should be in the first XI until the knock outs and even then only against the top sides. As mad as it may seem given how little the team inspires anybody these days England are a fair distance ahead of about 8 teams, on a par with about 12 and miles behind Germany, France and Spain. It's those three teams against which Vardy needs to be utilised, assuming we get that far.
digitalalba Posted 22 March 2016 Author Posted 22 March 2016 Not a fucking chance Drinky or Vardy will start let alone both at the same time! Infact, I came in this thread thinking it was about the upcoming Friendlies, since realising you're talking about it being the Euros i'll genuinely be surprised if Drinky or Vardy go, again let alone both! The thread headline mentions Russia. I don't think Drinkwater will start either. probably Dier and Henderson in centre mid.
Bryn Posted 22 March 2016 Posted 22 March 2016 They did this on Talksport last night, they all tried to pick the team they believed Roy would go for. They ended up with this. Starter (Subs) Hart (Butland, Forster) Clyne Smalling (Jagielka) Stones (Cahill) Bertrand (Rose) Dier (Henderson) Wilshere (Milner) Alli (Lallana) Rooney (Barkley) Welbeck (Sterling) Kane (Vardy, Sturridge) They said they think Roy will take Drinkwater if Wilshere is injured. I think all of them wanted Vardy to start wide left and at least one wanted Drinkwater to start even if everyone was fit. I'd **** Rooney right off, why play him when he's so out of form and we've actually got some exciting younger players in amazing form? For the easier games I'd play this. Hart Clyne Smalling Cahill Bertrand Dier Alli Milner ------------ Sterling Kane Sturridge And further down this. Hart Clyne Smalling Cahill Bertrand Dier Drinkwater Milner Alli Welbeck Kane
digitalalba Posted 22 March 2016 Author Posted 22 March 2016 The thing with Rooney's poor form, is that he has the experience and time to get it back. But at this point, no.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 March 2016 Posted 22 March 2016 Expect to see Wooney, Stuwwidge, Wilshere, Milner and Henderson if fit. Hodgson might be experimenting a little in the friendlies. For the tournament, he'll revert to type.
AKCJ Posted 22 March 2016 Posted 22 March 2016 People are going on about Dier. There is no way on Earth that he's been better than Drinkwater and Noble in that position this season. People only rave about him because he's young.
filbertway Posted 22 March 2016 Posted 22 March 2016 People are going on about Dier. There is no way on Earth that he's been better than Drinkwater and Noble in that position this season. People only rave about him because he's young. Depends what role you want him to play. Drinky and Noble are box to box. Dier is very much a sit and protect the defence midfielder. From what I remember, earlier in the season he said he'd rather be playing CB.
Richard Posted 22 March 2016 Posted 22 March 2016 Hart Clyne Smalling Cahill Bertrand Dier Henderson Welbeck Barkley Sterling Kane Only debates to me are Rooney, Bertrand and Dier. It's between Vardy and Welbeck for left side, I think Roy will go for Welbeck as he loves him.
Bryn Posted 22 March 2016 Posted 22 March 2016 Depends what role you want him to play. Drinky and Noble are box to box. Dier is very much a sit and protect the defence midfielder. From what I remember, earlier in the season he said he'd rather be playing CB. This, Dier drops in between the CBs a lot of the time.
Donut Posted 22 March 2016 Posted 22 March 2016 I think when all his players are fit, Woy is basically left with this, a couple of positions are up for grabs but i think hes a "tried and tested" man and wont go to far awayfrom what he knows. Players like Henderson, Milner and Welbeck for example are safe picks, he knows what hes getting from them. The players in bold are the ones I think he would opt for, and obviously he may tinker with the formation a bit: ------------------------------------------------Hart Clyne----------------------Smalling--------------------Cahill----------------------Bertrand/Baines -----------------------------Henderson--------------Dier/Milner Sterling----------------------------------Alli/Barkley----------------------------------Welbeck/Vardy ------------------------------------------Rooney/Kane
ScouseFox Posted 22 March 2016 Posted 22 March 2016 Shocked how many are calling for the diamond. Such a horrible system.love a diamond. sterling in the hole. vardy an Kane up front. alli, Barkley or drinkwater going nuts and dier sat deep. we'll win it.
Dan Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Dier's had a very good season and he's one of our only decent defensive minded midfielders too. I think he's got a very good case to start. On this season I think there has been very little between Alli and Drinkwater. The problem with Vardy being on the left was the way he was used. I've been guilty of taking the piss of the fact he was on the left but it was more the instruction to play like a natural wide man that got me more than anything. I can forgive it if he's being instructed to cut in and run at the opposition but when the hell did it ever happen? He was nearly hugging the touchline despite it being on his weaker side. I wouldn't start Vardy up front now. Kane gets the nod over him as much as it pains me to type that out. I'd support us playing the diamond. We've got so much more depth in central midfield than we have out wide. It'll be 4-2-3-1 with Rooney a guaranteed starter and square pegs in round holes as usual though.
Foxhateram Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 You cant pick a team JUST on form players. They need to fit into a system. If that means playing a player better suited to the style or the system, so be it. There is also a large degree of trust that Woy has with certain players. This is natural, he knows what they will give him and what they can do. There isnt a whole lot of scope for change between now and the Euro's, i wouldnt expect Drinkwater to feature too heavily going forwards, but certainly Vardy needs to be utilised within the squad. Yer that's all well and good if he was trusting the right players that turn out consistent performances, but the reality is that is not the case. He plays the players who have the biggest names regardless of form or class because he doesn't have the balls to do it any other way. We have been calling up the same old shite now for the past 2/3 tournaments and it has got us no where. Time for change. I.e. how Walcott, Wilshere and Roone are even considered for England anymore is sickening they have all spent either more time off form or on the injury bench.
ScouseFox Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 goalkeeper any of our shit defenders dier two of drinky/barkley/alli sterling kane vardy wins the world cup imo. maybe sack eric fu ckin dier off too tbh. drinks alli - barkley sterling as a midfield MAMA MIA
davieG Posted 23 March 2016 Posted 23 March 2016 Starting Wayne Rooney over Harry Kane and Jamie Vardy would be peak England England have the two most prolific strikers in the Premier League and, somehow, starting them together isn't a given. Thanks, Wayne Rooney. Michael Regan - The FA / Getty Images By Ryan RosenblattFOX Soccer @RyanRosenblatt Mar 22, 2016 at 1:31p ET England might find a way to not start the Premier League's top two scorers at Euro 2016. Of all the things England has done, that might be the most English thing. In any rational world, England would start Harry Kane andJamie Vardy. It's obvious. It's clear. It's a given. Except in a world where Wayne Rooney exists, is English and the Three Lions happen to be the most bizarre national team on Earth, capable of inventing drama if for no other reason than to stay on brand. That drama defines the team, and 2016 can be no different. Starting Rooney in 2016, at a European Championships no less, has no defense unless you're a believer in seniority, grit and "bleeding for the shirt." Fittingly, making up intangibles that fly in the face of what every statistic, soccer mind and anyone with two eyes would tell you is the most English thing possible. For as good as Rooney has been before, and for the better part of a decade he carried the Three Lions up top, he isn't half the striker he once was. And he's fallen off at a time when Harry Kane and Jamie Vardy have risen. That is Premier League top goalscorer Harry Kane, and Premier League second-best goalscorer Jamie Vardy. The Three Lions' starting strikers should be obvious. Catherine Ivill - AMA / Getty Images The last time the Premier League's top two goalscorers hailed from England was back in 1999-2000. Alan Shearer and Kevin Phillips paced the league then. There was still hope for England's Golden Generation, with David Beckham, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard and Rio Ferdinand not yet in their prime. The Y2K virus was still a global concern. To say that what Kane and Vardy are doing is historic is not an overstatement. A pair of English strikers this good hasn't been seen for a generation. The last time Rooney scored 19 goals in a Premier League season was four years ago. That 19-goal total is where Vardy is already this season, with two months to go, and what Kane has already exceeded. They've done it on the top two teams in the Premier League to boot, leading the lines for Leicester and Tottenham in the respective clubs' historic seasons. Rooney's seven goals in the league? Vardy hit that mark on October 3 and Kane surpassed it before Thanksgiving. It's not even that Rooney can't go to the Euros in 2016, or that he can't be the captain. He can be on the team and he can be a leader. It wouldn't be remotely unprecedented for an aging player, the face of the team to take a step back late in his career. To argue for leadership or attitude on behalf of Rooney is fine, and that might get him on the team ahead of someone like Daniel Sturridge or Danny Welbeck, two players who are probably better than Rooney right now, but 15 minutes off the bench late in a match can be explained away by intangibles. Starting cannot. Doing so is sabotaging England's chances before the tournament even starts. The best argument for starting Rooney is to abandon him as a striker, letting the far superior Kane and Vardy get the nod - two players, it should be added, complement each other extremely well - and using Rooney either behind them or on the wing. But England can't really afford to give up a midfielder to make room for Rooney behind two strikers and starting him out wide would mean bypassing several better options, like Raheem Sterling or Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. No one wants to be the man who benches Wayne Rooney, but Roy Hodgson has to do it. Michael Regan - The FA / Getty Images Actually putting Rooney on the bench is easier said than done. His stature and influence in the team runs deep, and he's probably even more prominent in the rest of the country. To bench Rooney is to invite a media circus, but then again, that's something England has to be comfortable with by now. So far, manager Roy Hodgson has shown no desire to move on from Rooney. Hodgson started Rooney in every Euro qualifier until the team booked their spot in France. The opportunity to transition may come this week, though. The Three Lions have a pair of friendlies and Rooney is out through injury. A bundle of goals from Kane and Vardy could provide Hodgson an easy excuse to turn to his most potent frontmen. He doesn't need one, but nobody has ever said no to an open door. It's easy to explain starting Rooney. After all, he is the default choice. And Kane and Vardy's lack of international experience is waiting to be jumped on. But the default choice should probably be the players who are actually scoring and playing well. And if Rooney is the model, then his four goals in as many matches at Euro 2004, when he too had little international experience, is proof that experience may be nice, but inexperience is little more than a copout. Somehow picking the Premier League's two best goal scorers, a historic pair doing something no Englishmen have done since Bill Clinton was the leader of the free world, is a difficult choice. It is wraught with drama and intrigue, proving once again that such theatrics is all the Three Lions know. But sanity has to prevail. Rooney has to see the bench. Kane and Vardy have to shine. England can't go full England. Can they?
digitalalba Posted 30 March 2016 Author Posted 30 March 2016 I was worried for Drinky last night. watching him for the first twenty minutes was like watching your son walk into class for the first time but, Glenn Hoddle named him man of the match, which was what I had him as. For a debut, after ten minutes of the second half, he looked like he was a natural in his position. I think due to our defensive problems, it wouldn't be a bad thing if we played 2 holders, Danny and Dier. Hart Walker Cahil Smalling Baines Danny Dier Sterling Ali Vardy Kane
kingcarr21 Posted 30 March 2016 Posted 30 March 2016 My starting 11 Hart Clyne Smalling Cahill Rose Dier Barkley Drinkwater Alli Kane Vardy
Dan Posted 30 March 2016 Posted 30 March 2016 It's hard to fit in both Alli & Barkley I think. You'd want both more advanced.
Fox92 Posted 30 March 2016 Posted 30 March 2016 Dier is the best man for a defensive midfield role. Protects the back four so well and needs to start. Drinkwater can't do that role. He drives forward for us which he could really do yesterday considering he was alongside Barkley.
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