Honesty.

[reynard]

vardy being headlocked 8th minute

 

no penalty, no media uproar, no analysis from pundits about how good Moss positioning was to see this, no warning to ogbonna even though doesn't need a warning as ball was in play

 

Wow that's an unbelievable miss by the ref. Not only a penalty but for me a red card offence. Grabbing players round the neck like that is dangerous play and could result in a serious injury. Rugby takes this type of tackle very seriously indeed, hence the number of video referrals and yellow cards in high profile games for this type of offence.

Just yet more evidence to show how utterly useless Moss was and is.

[reynard]

Am I the only one then that saw how Huth was holding Kouyaté in more or less the same way that he was being held himself? Can it be a penalty if he himself fouls an opposition player?

 

Well I suppose it could depend on timing. I haven't looked at the video footage again but if the guy grapples Huth before Huth attempts to jump then that is the first offence and so a clear penalty. Just as their penalty was given as the initial contact was made by Morgan and then the player dives so a penalty was given. The same could be said for the vardy incident. The initial contact was a push on Vardy's back by the defender then he falls over. So applying the same criteria Moss applied to their penalty I think that was a penalty as the first offence is done by the West Ham defender.

 

If we are going to have incompetent refs such as Moss at this level of the game then video technology and referrals to it must be brought into the game. His decisions in this game could have handed the title to Spurs or from a West ham point of view could cost them a place in the top 4 or even the Europa league with all the relevant financial consequences.

 

A great shame a referee can't be held to account properly for the type of shambles we saw the other day.

[Guest ttfn]

You can see on the video he uses his right arm to lean on Kouyate and jump off him, he does put force into it. And he could just leave his left arm by his left side, but he's actually restricting his own jump by holding Kouyate's arm. It's an unnatural position if you prepare for a jump, which leaves the conclusion that Huth was trying to hold down Kouyate. This should come as no surprise as he does it all the time. I'm baffled you won't acknowledge this.

Where is he supposed to put his arms?! There are 4 people standing in about a metre square area.

His 2nd at Man City was a clear foul - he took a ride on the defender's shoulders - here he's just trying to jump - it's absolutely not an unnatural position as evidenced by the fact that Huth manages to get off the floor despite having Ogbonna's arm round his neck.

Free kicks can't and won't be given for hands on people's arms - something we see at literally every set piece (and for that matter every passage of open play at some stage). If you're not giving free kicks for headlocks though it's a total free for all - Huth may well be more guilty of this than anybody in the league but it totally baffles me that you're looking at this and thinking that Huth is just as much the sinner as sinned against in this instance. It's not so much "six of one and half a dozen of the other" as two of one and 10 of the other.

[jayfox26]

I bet Vardy got away with calling refs a **** when he was in the lower leagues so thought he'd try and get away with it in the prem. Although what he did was wrong, it's understandable why he reacted in the way he did as there is so much at stake at the moment and it was a dreadful decision.

[jayfox26]

Kouyate was the player in front of Huth. Huthie was doing his best to hold Kouyate down as he was about to jump, only to be held down by Ogbonna. See for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhDWxXDMgLM

And the key difference for me between this and the pen west ham got (aside from the fact Reid made a meal of it) is that Reid was not getting anywhere near the ball, Huth was going to win thay header until he got dragged down by his neck

[jammie82uk]

vardy being headlocked 8th minute

 

no penalty, no media uproar, no analysis from pundits about how good Moss positioning was to see this, no warning to ogbonna even though doesn't need a warning as ball was in play

And the crazy thing is its appears he was going to give West Ham the free kick for it as when the ball goes to the keeper the ref signals play on

How Ogbonna got out of that game without at least a yellow card amazes me especially with how he took Shinji out in the corner

[Parafox]

Looked a deliberate attempt to manufacture a penaltyfrom the angle seen by the ref. However the gobby idiot should've kept his mouth shut, taken the red and a one match ban.

 

First yellow was a ridiculous decision.

 

Ref was at the level of league one but you have to go with decisions however preposterous at the time.

[Spursasaurus]

Hello all, hope you're all well and looking forward to the run-in.

I can't see Leicester losing it now so congrats on a fantastic season.

I have read this thread through my fingers at times as some posts are cringeworthy. If there's doubt about how many points a club has won/lost due to referee decisions then I always recommend: http://www.teamtalk.com/news/ref-review-the-controversial-decisions-from-week-34

The league table at the moment shows that Liverpool have had the most help from the MIB, however, you chaps are close behind, lots of forums are discussing how much help you've had.

[The Doctor]

Eh, their assessments are massively inconsistent as well - looking at the archives for two of ours: Newcastle home and Sunderland away - Morgan and Kaboul commit the same "offence" (turning their back and it hitting an elbow); neither given as a penalty but the Morgan one should have while the Kaboul call was correct?

 

And then there's this:

 

Robert Huth penalty appeal v Crystal Palace: It was an eventful afternoon for the Foxes centre-half and he could arguably count himself unfortunate not to win a spot-kick of his own at the other end after Scott Dann had such a tight hold of his shirt, that he actually lifted it over his head and off his back. However, the incident was not serious enough to warrant a spot-kick and the shirt being pulled off his head was nothing more than a quirk of fate, according to four of our five-strong panel. Verdict: Correct decision

 

To come out with that is just spectacularly ridiculous.

[David Guiza]

Whoever goes on to win the league will have deserved it over 38 games. Of course there are going to be individual games where you can pinpoint decisions that went for or against your cumulative points total, but for me that's part and parcel of the season and works both ways. Your penalty at Man City undoubtedly gave you the impetus to go on and challenge for the title, but I've seen little to no mention of that throughout the 'debate'. 

 

Also, for the record, seeing as there are lots of forums speaking about all the decisions have gone in our favour, here's some off the top of my head that didn't:-

 

Bournemouth (A) - Vardy kicked in the box with a couple of minutes remaining in a game that we went on to draw.

Bournemouth (H) - We were given a debatable penalty which was missed, however we were later denied a stonewall penalty in another game that we went on to draw.

Spurs (H) - Verthongen's blatant foul(s) on Mahrez.

West Brom (H) - I thought it was fair, but it could be argued that Mahrez was pushed into a handball for the free kick that lead to their equaliser.

West Brom (A) - Blatant dive lead to a West Brom penalty which ultimately had no affect on the result.

Aston Villa (A) - Gestede bats the ball down with his arm before equalising in another game that we went on to draw (somehow), yes there were contentious decisions in our favour also.

Man City (A) - Aguero offside for their goal, made no difference to the result.

Palace (A) - Huth manhandled in the box, no penalty.

 

It just so happens that we are under more scrutiny because of our position, which is new to us hence the longwinded debate both here and with opposition fans I guess. Here's to the next four games and hopefully putting this all to bed.

[biggs]

Hello all, hope you're all well and looking forward to the run-in.

I can't see Leicester losing it now so congrats on a fantastic season.

I have read this thread through my fingers at times as some posts are cringeworthy. If there's doubt about how many points a club has won/lost due to referee decisions then I always recommend: http://www.teamtalk.com/news/ref-review-the-controversial-decisions-from-week-34

The league table at the moment shows that Liverpool have had the most help from the MIB, however, you chaps are close behind, lots of forums are discussing how much help you've had.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/20/what-are-the-worst-refereeing-decisions-of-the-season-and-have-t/

[orangecity23]

I'm not having any of this Leicester are 'lucky' with refs bollocks, especially coming from Spurs fans, who seem to be completely oblivious to the dodgy decisions they've had in their favour. They may have forgotten:

 

Man C (H) 2 offside goals scored

Man C (A) Raheem Sterling concedes "handball" penalty using the "hand" that exists where his spine is

Sunderland (H) Spurs defender sticks arm out at right angles from body, controls ball, no penalty

Leicester (A) Vertonghen fouls Mahrez in box, no penalty given. Kane pushes Morgan over as cross comes in for Alli goal, ignored.

Arsenal (H) Dier gets away with stonewall second booking, Lamela, when booked, pushes Arsenal player off the ball, Arsenal player replies in kind, Lamela not booked, Arsenal player was.

 

And that's just off the top of my head.

[Carl the Llama]

I've been saying for a while that we've had a fair few matches where the refs were awful to our disadvantage but we didn't go on about it because we won anyway.

[jammie82uk]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/20/what-are-the-worst-refereeing-decisions-of-the-season-and-have-t/

Not surprised to see Spurs feature a few times on that list, I'm a little surprised at how much clattenburg featured in it tho

[KP Fox]

Well well well. Never thought I would see Roy Hodgson come out and stick up for Vardy. Good on ya Roy! I honestly don't know if it was a dive or not but we should give a guy who can run that fast with the the ball the benefit of the doubt. As Hodgson says, it's so easy to be unbalanced when running at that speed. It's not just a case of it's a penalty or it's a dive because as in this case the third case scenario is: it's not a penalty and just get on with it.

[Sionnach gorm]

I don't think it is a dive. From first view I'd say tangle of legs not a penalty.

[Sharpe's Foxes]

I don't think it is a dive. From first view I'd say tangle of legs not a penalty.

Defender hip checked Vardy and rammed his knee into Vardys near thigh and rear which is why Vardy fell the way he did.

[KFS]

Hello all, hope you're all well and looking forward to the run-in.

I can't see Leicester losing it now so congrats on a fantastic season.

I have read this thread through my fingers at times as some posts are cringeworthy. If there's doubt about how many points a club has won/lost due to referee decisions then I always recommend: http://www.teamtalk.com/news/ref-review-the-controversial-decisions-from-week-34

The league table at the moment shows that Liverpool have had the most help from the MIB, however, you chaps are close behind, lots of forums are discussing how much help you've had.

How can you sign up to this forum and post that when Nathan Dyer's ball to hand saved you in our cup game?

Why are all these Spurs fans invading for Christ sake? I come on here to read about my team, not to be told apparent "facts" and why we're all wrong.

Win it this year please Leicester and next year I'll take a mediocre mid table so all these freaks get off our back. Jeez.

[shen]

Where is he supposed to put his arms?! There are 4 people standing in about a metre square area.

His 2nd at Man City was a clear foul - he took a ride on the defender's shoulders - here he's just trying to jump - it's absolutely not an unnatural position as evidenced by the fact that Huth manages to get off the floor despite having Ogbonna's arm round his neck.

Free kicks can't and won't be given for hands on people's arms - something we see at literally every set piece (and for that matter every passage of open play at some stage). If you're not giving free kicks for headlocks though it's a total free for all - Huth may well be more guilty of this than anybody in the league but it totally baffles me that you're looking at this and thinking that Huth is just as much the sinner as sinned against in this instance. It's not so much "six of one and half a dozen of the other" as two of one and 10 of the other.

 

I haven't denied that Ogbonna fouled him, I think it's very obvious that he has. Had Ogbonna however not been succesful with his infringement, it should, according to the rules, have been a foul against Huth for leaning/pushing Kouyate. It just didn't look as bad because Ogbonna unbalanced him as he jumped. Huth was about to do exactly the same as he did against Man City.

Two wrongs don't make a right and you could argue that because they were simultaneous, no foul should be given over the other.

But hell, because Huth is our player I was screaming for a pen as much as any other Leicester supporter at the time.

 

In hindsight, I just don't think it was as clear as Ogbonna's headlock on Vardy or Huth wrestling Reid at a corner.

[MC Prussian]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/20/what-are-the-worst-refereeing-decisions-of-the-season-and-have-t/

Somebody post that on the Fighting Cock and tell it to the Spurs fans who think that we've been lucky to be where we are - or any other opposition fan believing the same propaganda.

It proves again that refereeing in general is the issue here and that some teams are more affected by it than others, Tottenham being granted two, three crucial calls this season already themselves.

 

The amended offside rule this summer has proven costly in particular and referees have seemingly troubles adapting to rules changes accordingly.

[shen]

I have read this thread through my fingers at times as some posts are cringeworthy. If there's doubt about how many points a club has won/lost due to referee decisions then I always recommend: http://www.teamtalk.com/news/ref-review-the-controversial-decisions-from-week-34

The league table at the moment shows that Liverpool have had the most help from the MIB, however, you chaps are close behind, lots of forums are discussing how much help you've had.

 

People fail to point out that we've had a lot of calls go against us too. We've been involved in more 'controversial' decisions than any other club, by a considerable distance, which explains why this 'issue' is getting so much attention. To compare, Spurs have been involved in about half as many calls, but you have an identical ratio of for/against decisions. You multiply the number of decisions Spurs have been involved in by two and you get 16 for and 10 against. Yet no-one is saying Spurs are getting the 'rub of the green' are they?