Honesty.

[Manwell Pablo]

Moss otherwise awful, their penalty is a joke. There's ten a game if that's a pen, including Ogbonna on Huth moments later.

Whilst I agree if he gives everyone one it finishes 8-4 to West Ham....assuming everyone one is tucked away.

As for vardy, evidence to me that he looks for contact and buys penalties, he's being doing that all season. I have my own opinions but if you backed him when he was throwing his leg out at nacho monreal you should back him now, live by the sword die by the sword.

[jayfox26]

Daft late tackle, unnecessary dive. Two yellows. If it's revoked I'll gladly buy you a beer.

If his 1st yellow was a deserved yellow then there will be 3-4 red cards every game. It was a very very soft yellow card. And as for the dive, yes he's played for it but 9/10 refs would not send him off for that. Payet clearly dived in the 2nd half and was on a yellow so should he have been sent off? I know the rules and I know that technically you get a yellow if you dive but what annoys me is the massive inconsistencies among refs.

[jayfox26]

although there was slight contact i think that vardy still dived. I consider "making the most of it" still diving. I hate it when players go down too easy, i just wish the only time you fell over was when you physically cant stay on your feet after a challenge, the game would be so much better for it. It appears that players bodys somehow have different physics as soon as they enter the penalty area! Schlupps was also a dive in my book. are you telling me that in any other walk of life that if jeff was bumped accidentally with the same force somewhere like the supermarket he would topple over? its crap.

I do agree with some of what you're saying but to say Jeff dived is ridiculous. Yes it may not have been a pen as it was more of a coming together than a foul but when a beast like Carroll bumps into you when you're running full pelt, I think most people would hit the deck.

[EnglishOxide]

The fact that the referee felt the need to award a last minute penalty to us tells you all you need to know about his decisions against us.

He made some bad, and game changing ones against us so he felt the need to 'even it up'.

If he was 100% certain on the Vardy sending off and the West Ham penalty there's no way he gives the penalty for the tackle on Schluup.

[TheSomersetFox]

It wasn't just the big decisions which got us on his back though, which the pundits aren't seeing/explaining. He was shite for the whole game.

[TheLittleBigMan]

Dive for me. Never understood it. Your a striker getting in on goal, your job is to shoot right? 

[Sharpe's Foxes]

The fact that the referee felt the need to award a last minute penalty to us tells you all you need to know about his decisions against us.

He made some bad, and game changing ones against us so he felt the need to 'even it up'.

If he was 100% certain on the Vardy sending off and the West Ham penalty there's no way he gives the penalty for the tackle on Schluup.

The fix is in. Sent off Vardy with subsequent ban for next couple games. When that wasn't enough helped west ham with penalty against Wes Morgan to even it up.

Make up call at end to make it look unbiased but we already lost the 3 points by that stage in he game.

[Guest ttfn]

It's Vardy's theatrical fall that does it. For some reason he wraps his back leg around and makes a roll. The contact doesn't warrant this at all, whichs confirms it's a dive. I can see why he tried it, and Ogbonna had been going to the limit and beyond all game, so he might've felt frustrated but also thought the ref wouldn't let Ogbonna get away with any more.

Vardy weighs about 9 stone wet through. He stops running (his fault) and Ogbonna, who must weigh 50% more, barrels into the back of him.

I'd say that's a pretty normal way to fall given the circumstances - that Vardy was playing for it is absolutely indisputable but he's got his body in between man and ball which is legitimate anywhere else on the pitch but when attacking in the penalty area is a booking apparently.

[okie fox]

The honesty brigade should look at Ogbonna's left arm before the leg tangle.  It's extended straight out, shoulder high, grabbing on to Vardy.  It's not in a natural position.  Vardy has skinned him and Ogbonna is pulling him back.  Moss makes a controversial call from about 40 yards away. 

 

Reid went down easily for their penalty, the least flagrant of all the holding (by Ogbonna and Huth especially) that Moss let go for the first 85 minutes of the game.  The time to stop all the holding is early on in the game when Ogbonna threw Vardy down in the area.

 

Andy Carroll on Schlupp was an old fashioned shoulder barge, perfectly legal. 

[biggs]

Stupid thread. Moss got everything wrong in this game. Vardy cut in front and was barreled over. Never a dive and the worst it should have been is a goal kick. Some of you are dense

[ErNanna]

Hi guys, I'm an Italian who support your team. If I can tell my opinion... The ref makes 4 shames in only 1 big mistake: pen, yellow card (red card), Leicester finished the match with only 10 players and Vardy will miss the next match. Just in time to false the league. 100% he will be promoted international ref.

[st albans fox]

Andy Carroll on Schlupp was an old fashioned shoulder barge, perfectly legal.

Except Caroll's shoulder isn't in the same place as jeffs so it's a dangerous thing to do, especially given what had gone before.

vards was a bit stupid to do what he did when already on a yellow (whether it was soft or not). His exaggeration of the fall is what got him into trouble. moss blew far too quickly, not allowing himself time to think of the consequences. Had he waited a second and seen the ball go behind, he could have just waved for a goal kick and had a quiet word with vardy.

[les-tah]

apparently their calling for him to have an additional 1 match ban now for his reaction of pointing and snarling at the ref in that picture.

[demon_dog]

Try running at speed and have someone tug you back slightly on your shoulder, this cause you to drift to the side contact was made. This then causes your legs to tangle. Now the question is penalty or not?

To me it's a clear penalty.

The problem here is how you fall.

Dress it up to make it seem worse or just fall over?

He was sent off for overreacting ,

The question is will Vardy now be seen by refs as a diver?

[David Hankey]

Cmon. Let's be honest. He dived. It was a red.

Can't agree. There was contact, the hand over his shoulder. Ask yourself what was that for  -  simply to haul him back and impede him. Inside the area = definite penalty.

 

Moss got it wrong, it really is as simple as that. This was the turning point as Leicester City should have been 2-0 up and sailing toward another fine home. It was WHU who cheated.

[Vestan Pance]

Try running at speed and have someone tug you back slightly on your shoulder, this cause you to drift to the side contact was made. This then causes your legs to tangle. Now the question is penalty or not?

To me it's a clear penalty.

The problem here is how you fall.

Dress it up to make it seem worse or just fall over?

He was sent off for overreacting ,

The question is will Vardy now be seen by refs as a diver?

Not sure about the refs but certainly some people on here think he is, which is surprising for a Leicester City forum.

[Mythyaar]

I think the acid test on whether he made most of the situation/ dived is to imagine Vardy didn't play for us. If you saw that on the TV what would you make of it? The instant reaction from a lot of my mates who are non LCFC fans but want them to win, was "what the **** did Vardy do that for?!"

[jammie82uk]

VARDY’S RED CARD:

FORMER Premier League referee Mark Halsey gives his verdict on yesterday’s controversial incidents at the King Power Stadium.

Yes there is contact but as a ref you don’t know who has initiated it and if he had played on, no one would have said anything.

From that moment, Jon Moss has lost the plot.

Has Jamie Vardy gone down too easily? Yes, but there was contact — so just play on.

One of the first things I was told as a ref was: “Don’t go looking for trouble because trouble will come looking for you.”

Jon has gone looking for trouble with this one.

He didn’t have to give the first yellow card either — that challenge was careless, not reckless.

WEST HAM’S PENALTY:

Wes Morgan should have been wary because Jon Moss had just spoken to him about putting his arms on his opponent.

But Winston Reid throws himself to the ground, making it the same as the Vardy incident.

If Vardy gets a yellow then so should Reid. Jon Moss caused problems by not being consistent.

Morgan concedes a hotly-debated spot-kick after this tumble with Hammers' defender Reid

Morgan concedes a hotly-debated spot-kick after this tumble with Hammers' defender Reid

ROBERT HUTH’S CLAIM:

Angelo Ogbonna is holding Robert Huth down and stopping him from jumping — this one was a far clearer penalty than the Reid one.

If you give the West Ham one, you have to give this one.

Once again Jon has been inconsistent. And he was in a great position to give it — he was looking straight at it.

LEICESTER’S PENALTY:

Andy Carroll challenges and Jeffrey Schlupp goes down. That is just not a penalty.

I think Jon was under pressure for missing the one with Huth.

You gain respect from players by getting the big calls right, but Jon lost all that the moment he sent Vardy off.

[shen]

Try running at speed and have someone tug you back slightly on your shoulder, this cause you to drift to the side contact was made. This then causes your legs to tangle. Now the question is penalty or not?

To me it's a clear penalty.

The problem here is how you fall.

Dress it up to make it seem worse or just fall over?

He was sent off for overreacting ,

The question is will Vardy now be seen by refs as a diver?

 

Nope, not having that. Vardy clearly looks to where Ogbonna is and cuts in front of him. Despite Ogbonna's arm, that's not what makes Vardy 'drift inside'. He was already leaning towards Ogbonna when the arm came up.

You are perfectly right about Vardy's overreaction swaying the ref's mind. If he just fell flat on his face or stumbled, I don't think he would've gotten a yellow.

 

Vardy weighs about 9 stone wet through. He stops running (his fault) and Ogbonna, who must weigh 50% more, barrels into the back of him.

I'd say that's a pretty normal way to fall given the circumstances - that Vardy was playing for it is absolutely indisputable but he's got his body in between man and ball which is legitimate anywhere else on the pitch but when attacking in the penalty area is a booking apparently.

 

Look at Vardy's back leg in slow motion. He's wrapping it around the back of Ogbonna even before he goes down, it does not look natural at all. It's clear he jumps and plays on it.

I agree that it could just as well have been a yellow for Ogbonna and a pen had it been a different ref, because there was contact and Ogbonna was risking it by raising his arm to pull back Vardy.

 

Can this yellow-red be appealed? If so, I believe there is a case for it to be rescinded, but it depends which tinted specs you have on.

[thybluefox]

VARDY’S RED CARD:

FORMER Premier League referee Mark Halsey gives his verdict on yesterday’s controversial incidents at the King Power Stadium.

Yes there is contact but as a ref you don’t know who has initiated it and if he had played on, no one would have said anything.

From that moment, Jon Moss has lost the plot.

Has Jamie Vardy gone down too easily? Yes, but there was contact — so just play on.

One of the first things I was told as a ref was: “Don’t go looking for trouble because trouble will come looking for you.”

Jon has gone looking for trouble with this one.

He didn’t have to give the first yellow card either — that challenge was careless, not reckless.

WEST HAM’S PENALTY:

Wes Morgan should have been wary because Jon Moss had just spoken to him about putting his arms on his opponent.

But Winston Reid throws himself to the ground, making it the same as the Vardy incident.

If Vardy gets a yellow then so should Reid. Jon Moss caused problems by not being consistent.

Morgan concedes a hotly-debated spot-kick after this tumble with Hammers' defender Reid

Morgan concedes a hotly-debated spot-kick after this tumble with Hammers' defender Reid

ROBERT HUTH’S CLAIM:

Angelo Ogbonna is holding Robert Huth down and stopping him from jumping — this one was a far clearer penalty than the Reid one.

If you give the West Ham one, you have to give this one.

Once again Jon has been inconsistent. And he was in a great position to give it — he was looking straight at it.

LEICESTER’S PENALTY:

Andy Carroll challenges and Jeffrey Schlupp goes down. That is just not a penalty.

I think Jon was under pressure for missing the one with Huth.

You gain respect from players by getting the big calls right, but Jon lost all that the moment he sent Vardy off.

 

This sums up my view perfectly. 

 

Vardy - he's made a meal of it but there's contact on his back/shoulder before their legs clash. Give a goal kick and get on with the game. 

Reid - contact from Morgan, but not enough to go down in the manner he did. Get on with the game. There was also far worse than that going on that he didn't give.

Huth - Stone wall, especially if you're giving pens for tussling in the box, its about as obvious as it gets. Moss is even looking straight at the incident.

Schlupp - Proof that Moss had lost the game completely. Never a pen. 

 

Feel a bit sorry for Cresswell as he's hit a beauty of a goal and no one gives a shit! That pretty much reflects the fact than Jon Moss ruined the game though, and made it all about him - the fat cvnt.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Anyone care to change their mind on this, having slept on it? Couple of things i would mention

*Mark Halsey's comments should be taken with a pinch of salt - since he retired, he seems to have something against the match official board, so he's possibly been controversial for controversial's sake

*Its the original side on view of the incident that indicates it's a dive that then results in contact - there is an unnatural stride followed by a jump up and down he goes - and on one of the clips on this thread, the commentator calls it straight away.

*Given the ball is to Vardy's left and to a considerable degree - he is indeed in front of the defender, shielding it - to move further to the right and into the defender makes no sense. His movements were in no way an attempt to play the ball.

Possibly the saddest thing about the incident - we've suddenly got this massive new audience looking in on us, only to see something that isn't really what we've been about all year that gives the wrong impression and detracts from our achievements.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

The first yellow card has extremely harsh. It did look like a dive but the ref ran the length of the pitch to yellow card him, he was itching for it.

The first yellow wasn't even a foul, the West Ham player tripped over Vardys leg after he missed the challenge, pathetic refereeing

Very dissapointed with the ref, he was plain awful

A point each fair though

[SpinneyHillRanger]

VARDY’S RED CARD:

FORMER Premier League referee Mark Halsey gives his verdict on yesterday’s controversial incidents at the King Power Stadium.

Yes there is contact but as a ref you don’t know who has initiated it and if he had played on, no one would have said anything.

From that moment, Jon Moss has lost the plot.

Has Jamie Vardy gone down too easily? Yes, but there was contact — so just play on.

One of the first things I was told as a ref was: “Don’t go looking for trouble because trouble will come looking for you.”

Jon has gone looking for trouble with this one.

He didn’t have to give the first yellow card either — that challenge was careless, not reckless.

WEST HAM’S PENALTY:

Wes Morgan should have been wary because Jon Moss had just spoken to him about putting his arms on his opponent.

But Winston Reid throws himself to the ground, making it the same as the Vardy incident.

If Vardy gets a yellow then so should Reid. Jon Moss caused problems by not being consistent.

Morgan concedes a hotly-debated spot-kick after this tumble with Hammers' defender Reid

Morgan concedes a hotly-debated spot-kick after this tumble with Hammers' defender Reid

ROBERT HUTH’S CLAIM:

Angelo Ogbonna is holding Robert Huth down and stopping him from jumping — this one was a far clearer penalty than the Reid one.

If you give the West Ham one, you have to give this one.

Once again Jon has been inconsistent. And he was in a great position to give it — he was looking straight at it.

LEICESTER’S PENALTY:

Andy Carroll challenges and Jeffrey Schlupp goes down. That is just not a penalty.

I think Jon was under pressure for missing the one with Huth.

You gain respect from players by getting the big calls right, but Jon lost all that the moment he sent Vardy off.

 

 

This seems like a solid summary from a former referee

 

The thing Moss was so bad yesterday even his "small decisions" were bad... which eventually led to the big decisions he had to make.

 

What about the massive headlock ogbonna had Vardy in, he missed that. West Ham were just as bad as Huth and Morgan.

Vardy. The "dive" looks much worse from certain angles, but what is clear is when you see the slow motion replays both back and forwards angle, you see Ogbonna tugs his shoulder and the legs come together - so wasn't just a blatant dive where there was no contact. Just an exagerrated fall which worked against Vards this time.

[davieG]

These views of two incidents seem to contradict themselves.

 

With the Vardy one they suggest it was correct because Vardy tried to con the ref by making more of it than it was. Yet in Reid one despite saying

 that Reid made the made the most of it that was ok, surely that is no different to the Vardy simulation. 

 

 

Jamie Vardy red card v West Ham: The Leicester striker, already on a yellow card for a foul on Cheikhou Kouyate, was given his second caution of the match for simulation in trying to win his side a penalty. While there may have been a slight tangle of legs with Ogbonna, we feel referee Jonathan Moss was absolutely correct to book the Foxes striker, who paid a heavy price for trying to con the official. Verdict: Correct decision

West Ham penalty v Leicester: After plenty of argy-bargy ahead of a corner into the box, Moss awarded the Hammers a spot-kick when he adjudged Wes Morgan to have pushed Winston Reid in the area. The Foxes skipper, despite his protestations, can have absolutely no complaints, and although replays showed Reid certainly made the most of the contact, the fact that he’d both pulled and pushed by his opponent ensured the ref had little choice. Amazingly, the penalty was the first West Ham had won in the Premier League away from home in five-and-a-half years. Verdict: Correct decision

 

[Guest Mee-9]

Agree it was a ****ing awful decision for him to dive.

 

He was free in goal pretty much and could have added a second. 

 

The first yellow card was laughable though. We'll see today what happens.