Zero hour contracts

[jammie82uk]

I have googled over the last hour to find a answer but I can't find anything definitive and wondered if anyone could help on here

I've been doing a job on a zero hour contract For nearly 12 months now (29th of June will be 12 months to the date)

Been doing Mon- Fri and doing the same hours each week

I found out today that they tried (unsuccessfully as other person didn't want the job) to replace me last week

I just wondered if anybody knew how I stood with relation to employment rights as I seen reports that after 12 months I would be entitled to a full contract if regular hours was maintained during that period but others stating that that's not the case

[Strokes]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/zero-hours-contracts-guidance-for-employers/zero-hours-contracts-guidance-for-employers

The guidance says it would be appropriate to employ permanent if their has been a regular pattern over 12 months.

What is you do and how regular are your shifts?

[Wymsey]

Depends if you're actually hired, or self-employed but work for a company, and what are your daily work activity type/s. May also depend on if you're on minimum wage or not.

 

But I think you're entitled to things that those employed have the right to access - rest break, holiday payment, safe from discrimination etc.

[Christoph]

Zero hour contracts are the devil. I remember having to practically beg for a full time contract when I first got my job. 

[DB11]

Maybe that's why they want to replace you - so they can keep that position as a zero hours contract and not have to give you a full time one

[StanSP]

yeah what @@DB11 says. It's cheaper for them to have an employee on a zero-hour contract than to employ you permanently.

 

I think you should have a right to be told you are due to be replaced though! If they haven't spoken to you and tell you to go, you could claim unfair dismissal? Not sure how it works with zero-hour contracts though...

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

DB11 is absolutely correct, sounds like those greedy cvnts are trying to shaft you big time. You are well in your rights to start knocking on doors and asking for a full time contract. It might sound like you will start turning the boss man against you but don't underestimate the power that constant pressure can put on people to take the easiest option, which in this case is giving you a job.

[Adster]

Zero-hour contracts should be illegal, simple as.

[jammie82uk]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/zero-hours-contracts-guidance-for-employers/zero-hours-contracts-guidance-for-employers

The guidance says it would be appropriate to employ permanent if their has been a regular pattern over 12 months.

What is you do and how regular are your shifts?

Thanks for that I do cleaning for the city council it's only part time hours as I'm a carer for my grandparents but I've been at the same place as I said for nearly 12 months now

I do the same hours everyday Monday to Friday

[jammie82uk]

Maybe that's why they want to replace you - so they can keep that position as a zero hours contract and not have to give you a full time one

That thought had crossed my mind

[Stadt]

Zero-hour contracts should be illegal, simple as.

Obviously this is an incident where it isn't a positive thing at all but aren't all bad. For students they're alright.

[Adster]

Obviously this is an incident where it isn't a positive thing at all but aren't all bad. For students they're alright.

 

I don't think they are alright for students to be honest. A student can get a job on a zero-hour contract, and receive zero shifts at all a week from their place of work and nothing can be done about it by the student. Meaning that the student has no income whatsoever. Making them one of the worst types of contract to have, especially students paying rent etc. 

[Strokes]

I don't think they are alright for students to be honest. A student can get a job on a zero-hour contract, and receive zero shifts at all a week from their place of work and nothing can be done about it by the student. Meaning that the student has no income whatsoever. Making them one of the worst types of contract to have, especially students paying rent etc.

My wife has a zero hour contract by choice with the LRI, they aren't all bad.

[Trav Le Bleu]

As it's the council you work for, I'd really push the point. I would imagine that there are extra rules in place to prevent what is essentially government treating employees like this.

At least I'd like to think so.

[oxford blue]

I don't think legally there is anything special about 12 months service; however, if you are an employee you cannot be unfairly dismissed after 24 months. The key to any rights depend on whether you are an employee or a worker. This should be clear from your contract of employment.

Assuming your work (including absence for whatever reason) has been satisfactory from the council's point of view, it would seem very strange to want you replaced. Assuming this is the case, you should seek to speak to your line manager - if you are certain you might be losing our job. It seems very strange for a local authority, which will be a 'responsible' employer, to want to replace you after only 12 months on the info you have provided.

[Hollism]

Constructive dismissal is still illegal, regardless of if you're on a zero hour contract or not.

[tom27111]

The clue is in the name, if you're on a zero hour contract, they can just say "we don't need you this week". Then say that for as long as they want.

You don't have to be dismissed, they just don't give you hours, so you take the hint and find another job.

[Rincewind]

My view is if you do regular hours each week it should not be classed as zero hour contract. Most ZHC they can give 12 hour notice of the days and hours which is inconvenient for mothers with young children who need to find day care at short notice. The same can be said for students who may have lectures on the days they are asked to work or those seeking full time employment needing to put aside days for interviews with prospective employers and job advisers.

Security is similar. If you do not have a permanent site then it is luck of the draw and being sent where needed or last minute replacement for an officer who for some reason cannot work. It means you cannot plan your life.Even if the employer allows you to work just the days and hours that suit you they are allowed to ask you to change and if you refuse they will employ someone else.

Workfare is another scam. You are taken on for 3 months at a cheap rate and the employer can either take you on full time with all the rights and a contract or take on more workfare workers. Guess which is more common?

I do not know about employees rights it would depend on the contract if any signed. 

[johnny the fox]

without being too political... before the EU directives took a hold in this country...there was a time when there were no employment agencies, no zero hour contracts etc...young people as well as older people had proper full time jobs...that was the norm... you could plan for the future, go to uni without paying fook all...get a mortgage...start and have a family while still in your 20's ... most of those urging us to stay in Europe know this , they had all those benefits...

[Trav Le Bleu]

without being too political... before the EU directives took a hold in this country...there was a time when there were no employment agencies, no zero hour contracts etc...young people as well as older people had proper full time jobs...that was the norm... you could plan for the future, go to uni without paying fook all...get a mortgage...start and have a family while still in your 20's ... most of those urging us to stay in Europe know this , they had all those benefits...

That wasn't political at all...

Not like back in my day when we had real politics, with nuclear threat this and nuclear threat that. If you wanted Johnny Foreigner out you just sent a flotilla of warships thousands of miles to some godforsaken barren rock and if people didn't like the idea of losing their jobs and protested about it, well Officer Plod was always happy to give advice with his truncheon. Back then, if you disagreed with being under home rule, you blew people up, not this namby-pamby voting malarkey!

Of course, things were better then.

[jammie82uk]

I don't think legally there is anything special about 12 months service; however, if you are an employee you cannot be unfairly dismissed after 24 months. The key to any rights depend on whether you are an employee or a worker. This should be clear from your contract of employment.Assuming your work (including absence for whatever reason) has been satisfactory from the council's point of view, it would seem very strange to want you replaced. Assuming this is the case, you should seek to speak to your line manager - if you are certain you might be losing our job. It seems very strange for a local authority, which will be a 'responsible' employer, to want to replace you after only 12 months on the info you have provided.

The contract states I am a "casual worker" i haven't had any absence or days off in the near 12 months I've been there

I'm the only cleaner for the building, it was the area manager who informed me today that they had shown another worker around my current work place last week

Area manager stated the worker wasn't keen on the job as current staff who work at the building I'm at stated that they would like to keep me

The reason I was told why the other worker was shown around is because The current building that this worker is at is closing and they are signed to a contract and have contracted hours that the council have to provide to them

[Adster]

My wife has a zero hour contract by choice with the LRI, they aren't all bad.

It's not bad if you're given hours, of course. It depends where you work.

A lot of places will just recruit tonnes of staff on zero hour contracts and take advantage. I've been there.

[Wymsey]

If I were on zero-hour contract, I would initially request what would my hours be and when - hence be up-front about it which would allow you to prioritise either this work and permanent job search thereafter.

[Turtles Head]

If I were on zero-hour contract, I would initially request what would my hours be and when - hence be up-front about it which would allow you to prioritise either this work and permanent job search thereafter.

Trying to read that made my eyes bleed

[Rincewind]

Trying to read that made my eyes bleed

Rough translation.

 

Listen ere me duck (or mate) cannya  gizus me hours you waana me ta wurk like so I know where I stand like and can look for a more permo job when not 'ere. cheers.luv (or mate)