GaelicFox Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 The twists just keep coming Sarah Vine Gove has now been knifed by the Daily Mail Brilliant LOL http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3668924/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-party-flames-Theresa-leader.html
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 The twists just keep coming Sarah Vine Gove has now been knifed by the Daily Mail Brilliant LOL http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3668924/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-party-flames-Theresa-leader.html I do find it a tad odd that May decided to do her press conference in pyjamas (I'd only seen the top half photo before now)!
Strokes Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 I do find it a tad odd that May decided to do her press conference in pyjamas (I'd only seen the top half photo before now)! Perhaps she is trying to broaden her appeal to school run mums.
GaelicFox Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 I do find it a tad odd that May decided to do her press conference in pyjamas (I'd only seen the top half photo before now)! And they looked Ironed , who the FECK irons pyjamas !
Rincewind Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Kermit the frog would do a better job. The other lot are no better.
Alf Bentley Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 A further twist in the ongoing Tory soap opera: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36679741 Ken Clarke calls on Gove to quit as his "bizarre manoeuvrings...disqualify him from being PM at a time of grave crisis". He adds that Gove would "do us all a favour if he stood down now" and that Gove doesn't have the trust of his colleagues.
Buce Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 What have you people done to my country?... I leave you alone for 5 minutes... Any time you fancy a house swap, Oz.. I'm yer man.
RoboFox Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 I don't understand why Michael Gove gets so much stick. I loved him in "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids" and "Ghostbusters" is one of my all time favourites.
Guest Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 And here were the FT Tories laughing at JC's position and lack of support. I heard on sky news this morning that Boris supporters are threatening Gove and his supporters with some very nasty things.
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 I actually think it's a fairly decent list of candidates, the opposition party would kill for five people like this at the minute to challenge their leader, I'm delighted four out of the five went to state schools as well, it's long overdue they moved away from the Eton obsession and it's time to leave the "Tory Toff" image behind, even more so as the traditional working classes turn away from Labour. May - The clear favourite, incredible to survive six years in the home office, hugely respected in the party and having a female leader would be a huge boost for any political party in this day and age, kept herself out of the limelight enough in the EU ref campaign not to be tarnished by supporting remain. Gove - You wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of him would you? He's brought down Boris and Cameron now after being humiliated by the PM just a couple of years ago, I like reformers in politics and Gove is certainly one of those, he is very toxic though as Lynton Crosby demanded he was removed before the last election, might make the final two but can't see him winning. Crabb - Great back story, brought up on a council estate defending his mother from a violent father, would be popular in Wales, problems with gays an issue though, I think his time will come one day but it's not now. Leadsom - The star of the show in the EU referendum, a genuine leaver who could demand what that side wants in EU negotiations, female again is a huge plus and she's a really nice person who would resonate with middle England, she's a bit too unknown though and it's a huge jump to go from being a junior minister to the jof of leading the country. Fox - Don't really know why he is standing, came a distant third ten years ago and that was when the Tory party was closer to him in political views than it is now. Will wothdraw as soon as he realises he doesn't have enough support. Really is May's to lose.
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 She's also got very backwards views on the 'war on drugs' - that it's still a war worth fighting as opposed to a big waste of time / money. We are a nation that gives out cautions for possesion of Class A substances and has decriminlised cannabis, How anyone can say with a straight face we have had a "war on drugs" in this country is laughable, if you want to see a "war on drugs" have a look at how the United Arab Emirates approaches it. But how can a Remain voter lead the leave parliament. I can imagine what MattP and others would say if this was labour. I don't think it matters too much. Leadsom nailed it, there is no such thing now as a "Brexit MP" or a "Remain MP" - they are now all "implementers" and whoever gets the job should concentrate on carrying out the wishes of the people, they don't have to lead the negotiations themselves anyway, that should be left to Gove and a team he selects who is the hardest negotiator they have, just asking the NUT or the The Law Society.
Nick Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Was really disappointed this morning to read that Stephen Crabb (who appeared to have some real life experience often absent from many Tory voters) may have some controversial religious views and subsequent leanings on issues related to abortion and homosexuality.
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Was really disappointed this morning to read that Stephen Crabb (who appeared to have some real life experience often absent from many Tory voters) may have some controversial religious views and subsequent leanings on issues related to abortion and homosexuality. What are you classing as "real life experience"?
Alf Bentley Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Re. Ken Clarke.... Out of curiosity, I'm tempted to go and have a look around his Rushcliffe constuency to see what it's like, as the referendum result there was extraordinary. It managed an amazing 81.5% turnout and voted 57.4% Remain. It was 1 of only 2 constituencies in the E. Midlands to vote Remain (Leicester by 51%-49% was the other). My understanding is that it's a safe Tory seat and a prosperous area bordering Nottingham, largely comprising West Bridgford and a scattering of villages. I wonder how much of that vote was down to Clarke's Europhile influence and how much down to socioeconomic make-up (lots of university lecturers and public sector employees, maybe, but then how come it's such a safe seat for the Tories?). There really were some interesting results. Wealthy Tory Tunbridge Wells voting Remain was another one - presumably due mainly to City of London commuters concerned about adverse outcomes for the financial sector?
ozleicester Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Any time you fancy a house swap, Oz.. I'm yer man. Bucexit
lifted*fox Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 We are a nation that gives out cautions for possesion of Class A substances and has decriminlised cannabis, How anyone can say with a straight face we have had a "war on drugs" in this country is laughable, if you want to see a "war on drugs" have a look at how the United Arab Emirates approaches it. You clearly have no idea on this matter either. Cannabis is not decriminalised in this country - it is still a class B 'controlled substance'. Comparing our laws on drugs to somewhere like the UAE isn't even a starting point for discussion.
Nick Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 What are you classing as "real life experience"? Ha I knew I should have worded that better! Well how many Tory MP's grew up on a council estates dependent on benefits in a single parent family.... I guess is my point - which reaches out to an area of the electorate that often the Tories don't manage to engage with. Not that having an Etonian background isn't real life experience, it's just that it's a tad less equal playing field that arguably creats divisive opinions on the concepts of success and aspirations.
Guest MattP Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Re. Ken Clarke.... Out of curiosity, I'm tempted to go and have a look around his Rushcliffe constuency to see what it's like, as the referendum result there was extraordinary. It managed an amazing 81.5% turnout and voted 57.4% Remain. It was 1 of only 2 constituencies in the E. Midlands to vote Remain (Leicester by 51%-49% was the other). It was an incredible result, not just the facy it was remain but the scale of the vote, Clarke simply had to have something to do with that. Moray in Scotland as well, they nearly went leave, I presume it's a large fishing area. You clearly have no idea on this matter either. Cannabis is not decriminalised in this country - it is still a class B 'controlled substance'. Comparing our laws on drugs compared to somewhere like the UAE isn't even a starting point for discussion. If you are going to use ridiculous soundbites like"war on drugs" I'm happy to show you somewhere that actually does have that. Cannabis has been all but decriminalised, when was the last time a cannabis smoker was dealt harsly by the courts, i.e in comparison to a country like the UAS, Saudi Arabia or Thailand, they aren't. Someone earlier in the thread made a good point about the consequences of it, one of my close friends has been completely done over by that drug, he can barely function anymore and he's not even 40, the paranoia, his speech, his depression, he can't come on a night out with us, he was a young bright bloke at 25 with the World at his feet and ten years later he's absolutely ****ed - all caused by this shit.
Guest Electric Yetis Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Re. Ken Clarke.... Out of curiosity, I'm tempted to go and have a look around his Rushcliffe constuency to see what it's like, as the referendum result there was extraordinary. It managed an amazing 81.5% turnout and voted 57.4% Remain. It was 1 of only 2 constituencies in the E. Midlands to vote Remain (Leicester by 51%-49% was the other). My understanding is that it's a safe Tory seat and a prosperous area bordering Nottingham, largely comprising West Bridgford and a scattering of villages. I wonder how much of that vote was down to Clarke's Europhile influence and how much down to socioeconomic make-up (lots of university lecturers and public sector employees, maybe, but then how come it's such a safe seat for the Tories?). There really were some interesting results. Wealthy Tory Tunbridge Wells voting Remain was another one - presumably due mainly to City of London commuters concerned about adverse outcomes for the financial sector? My sister lives there, she and all the people she knows there voted remain.
Guest Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 It was an incredible result, not just the facy it was remain but the scale of the vote, Clarke simply had to have something to do with that. Moray in Scotland as well, they nearly went leave, I presume it's a large fishing area. If you are going to use ridiculous soundbites like"war on drugs" I'm happy to show you somewhere that actually does have that. Cannabis has been all but decriminalised, when was the last time a cannabis smoker was dealt harsly by the courts, i.e in comparison to a country like the UAS, Saudi Arabia or Thailand, they aren't. Someone earlier in the thread made a good point about the consequences of it, one of my close friends has been completely done over by that drug, he can barely function anymore and he's not even 40, the paranoia, his speech, his depression, he can't come on a night out with us, he was a young bright bloke at 25 with the World at his feet and ten years later he's absolutely ****ed - all caused by this shit. Aspirations
Guest Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 What? You blamed Cannabis for his current state. I blame the Tory culture of aspiring. UAE and all that.
Alf Bentley Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 My sister lives there, she and all the people she knows there voted remain. Any idea why that's the case? Clarke's influence? Type of jobs people do? I'm a nerd about things like this. I like to understand why particular areas are like they are, or vote like they do.
Guest Electric Yetis Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Any idea why that's the case? Clarke's influence? Type of jobs people do? I'm a nerd about things like this. I like to understand why particular areas are like they are, or vote like they do. Hard to say really. My sister is a teacher and typically (although not strictly) a labour voter. She was as surprised as anyone.
Alf Bentley Posted 1 July 2016 Posted 1 July 2016 Moray in Scotland as well, they nearly went leave, I presume it's a large fishing area. Thanks for reminding me about Moray. That was another one that I found interesting - almost went Leave, as you say. According to Wiki, its mainly a farming and fishing area centred around Elgin. It has quite a sizeable Tory vote, too - was a Tory seat until 1983, SNP since but not a massive majority. Sort of explains it...
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