Ric Flair Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 I guarantee we will now be linked with loads more players, the press won't be able to help themselves.
carled Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 A lot of you need to go and read about the FFP rules. No matter how much the owners would like to, they cannot spend, spend, spend all they like without repercussions, which would result in heavy fines if FFP rules are breached. Yes, we are about to get increased commercial revenue (quite a crapload) but it doesn't mean that we can go out and spend it all on players and, more importantly, wages. Read http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/ and http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/leicester-city-sweet-dreams-are-made-of.html for more information. Also, just think back to last season and how most of us were crowing about achieving the impossible without spending loads and criticising those silly old top 4 clubs wildly spending and how it did them no good and then look at what a whole lot of you are now proposing - wild spending. The whole success was built on the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. That calculation falls apart if we spend too much on the parts.
Ric Flair Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 Just now, carled said: A lot of you need to go and read about the FFP rules. No matter how much the owners would like to, they cannot spend, spend, spend all they like without repercussions, which would result in heavy fines if FFP rules are breached. Yes, we are about to get increased commercial revenue (quite a crapload) but it doesn't mean that we can go out and spend it all on players and, more importantly, wages. Read http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/ and http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/leicester-city-sweet-dreams-are-made-of.html for more information. Also, just think back to last season and how most of us were crowing about achieving the impossible without spending loads and criticising those silly old top 4 clubs wildly spending and how it did them no good and then look at what a whole lot of you are now proposing - wild spending. The whole success was built on the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. That calculation falls apart if we spend too much on the parts. We are aware of this, our current net spend is about zero so if we want 2-3 players at £20 million each it's not a problem.
desertfox2 Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 3 minutes ago, carled said: A lot of you need to go and read about the FFP rules. No matter how much the owners would like to, they cannot spend, spend, spend all they like without repercussions, which would result in heavy fines if FFP rules are breached. Yes, we are about to get increased commercial revenue (quite a crapload) but it doesn't mean that we can go out and spend it all on players and, more importantly, wages. Read http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/ and http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/leicester-city-sweet-dreams-are-made-of.html for more information. Also, just think back to last season and how most of us were crowing about achieving the impossible without spending loads and criticising those silly old top 4 clubs wildly spending and how it did them no good and then look at what a whole lot of you are now proposing - wild spending. The whole success was built on the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. That calculation falls apart if we spend too much on the parts. Our wage bill must be the lowest of all the teams in the champions league. Even with Kaputska we are 2m under what we got for Kante. And we have prize money from Prem, Champions league money, and this ICC pretty sure we have little to worry about with FFP
carled Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: We are aware of this, our current net spend is about zero so if we want 2-3 players at £20 million each it's not a problem. By that comment you've clearly demonstrated you haven't gone and read the FFP rules... Our net spend is a long, long way from 0.
carled Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 3 minutes ago, desertfox2 said: Our wage bill must be the lowest of all the teams in the champions league. Even with Kaputska we are 2m under what we got for Kante. And we have prize money from Prem, Champions league money, and this ICC pretty sure we have little to worry about with FFP And again. Go and read that link. The fact we have such a low bill is what gives us the problem. We cannot just increase it as much as we like. We have plenty to worry about from FFP.
weller54 Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 We need a proven striker! Slimani is the guy for me!
AKCJ Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 6 minutes ago, Stevosevic said: Net spend is 0 - didn't expect that this summer I expected it to be a minus to be fair. Thought we'd get nigh on 100m for Kante + Mahrez.
carled Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 Bear in mind that once we pass a wage bill of £67m we fall into the FFP wage increase rules. Last season we were £57m. That gives us approx £200K per week before we hit the problem. £60K increase to Vardy, same to Mahrez, Kante gone but plenty of new faces in and it all adds up. TV revenue is not allowed to count towards the increase in revenue, it's matchday income (we're already maxed out there apart from a relatively small increase we'll get from Champions League), Commercial revenue (not including TV money) and player trading. There are complicated amortisation rules in place to stop clubs playing fast and loose with how they work out net spend too. We have a lot more to play with than before, but it's not a free for all and neither should the club turn its back on the principles that got the "band of brothers" to the unlikeliest title imaginable.
The Doctor Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 6 hours ago, bpfox said: he must buy another striker and midfielder or we will struggle this season, sell ulloa and inler and spend 50 million on 2 good signings and we should finish in the top 10, keep the same and we will be in the bottom 1/2. Utterly ridiculous - Chelsea were the only ones last season that really ballsed up, and you're expecting their likely revival to see us plummet that far. We were way ahead of everyone last season, kept pretty much all of the squad bar Kante - he alone is not worth 30+ points a season
weller54 Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 7 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Utterly ridiculous - Chelsea were the only ones last season that really ballsed up, and you're expecting their likely revival to see us plummet that far. We were way ahead of everyone last season, kept pretty much all of the squad bar Kante - he alone is not worth 30+ points a season He just might be!
Babylon Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 1 hour ago, artursteppe said: We haven't spent anything yet. Same money in for players we've sold as we've paid out for players we've bought, including Kapustka, so why wouldn't we actually spend thirty or forty million more on players? ( Our wage bill has gone up by about £15M to £20M, though). We're only allowed to raise our outgoings by a certain amount each season due to the ffp rules. Now with the extra money coming from champs league in that would be covered if we went mad this year, as it's seen as extra income outside of the tv deal that the yearly rise is tied in to. But years going forward it might not be so simple.
shen Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 19 minutes ago, carled said: And again. Go and read that link. The fact we have such a low bill is what gives us the problem. We cannot just increase it as much as we like. We have plenty to worry about from FFP. What's the worst that will happen? We will get banned from Europe in 2017/18 or 2018/19 if we do not comply? Get a fine a la Bournemouth? Neither of those scenarios are likely to hurt us a lot. 10 minutes ago, carled said: Bear in mind that once we pass a wage bill of £67m we fall into the FFP wage increase rules. Last season we were £57m. That gives us approx £200K per week before we hit the problem. £60K increase to Vardy, same to Mahrez, Kante gone but plenty of new faces in and it all adds up. TV revenue is not allowed to count towards the increase in revenue, it's matchday income (we're already maxed out there apart from a relatively small increase we'll get from Champions League), Commercial revenue (not including TV money) and player trading. There are complicated amortisation rules in place to stop clubs playing fast and loose with how they work out net spend too. We have a lot more to play with than before, but it's not a free for all and neither should the club turn its back on the principles that got the "band of brothers" to the unlikeliest title imaginable. We still have plenty of time to offload players like De Laet, Inler, Benalouane, Moore etc. to free up more wages. Also, the commercial revenue will likely spike too, so it's looking quite alright so far?
Babylon Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 25 minutes ago, desertfox2 said: Our wage bill must be the lowest of all the teams in the champions league. Even with Kaputska we are 2m under what we got for Kante. And we have prize money from Prem, Champions league money, and this ICC pretty sure we have little to worry about with FFP Players sign 4 / 5 year contracts, we have to plan for three years down the road and not just one season. We might be fine this year, but in a few years all these wage rises will restrict what's available to spend on new players as most of the above income will be gone other than the prem TV money.
Babylon Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 Do people really believe this stuff, Pearson said exactly the same of the owners. If the manager went to them and said I really need X, I'm sure they would try and get it. But there are going to be conditions in terms of what they can spend because of budgets. There isn't going to be any kind of free for all in terms of spending.
GaelicFox Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 6 hours ago, bpfox said: he must buy another striker and midfielder or we will struggle this season, sell ulloa and inler and spend 50 million on 2 good signings and we should finish in the top 10, keep the same and we will be in the bottom 1/2. Top 10 are you mad ? All we have lost is Kante champions league position has to be the target !
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 I'd like to see us go for Mohammed Besic from Everton, untapped potential there I think. Also think we need a decent RB, no names immediately spring to mind, and a player to hold it up against stubborn opponents and give us a different style and of the players we've been linked with Slimani would be perfect
Simo86 Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 9 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said: I'd like to see us go for Mohammed Besic from Everton, untapped potential there I think. Also think we need a decent RB, no names immediately spring to mind, and a player to hold it up against stubborn opponents and give us a different style and of the players we've been linked with Slimani would be perfect Besic would be decent. Think he can play RB too, would rather us have one who's primary position is RB to compete with Simpson though
Dynamogoon Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 3 hours ago, Mezeker said: Your mistake is more egregious, the only way you could make this comment is in a vacuum. Perhaps you forgot that we lost Kante and that every other team gunning for a top spot is stronger than last season. United's team if they get Pogba is absolutely disgusting. Edit: I really have to say this is the type of post that really bothers me, it shows a complete lack of understanding of where we currently are as a squad and what needs to be done both tactically and from a signing perspective this season. You're entitled to your opinion obviously, but what bothers me, are posts like yours. We have the nucleus of a league winning squad, minus one (very important) player. We have then made some decent quality additions. I fully understand where we are this season, and I believe we still need a striker and an engine in midfield. However, we still have an excellent squad, with a great bond, work ethic and positive attitude. We may not win the title again, but I cant subscribe to this doom and gloom view that we are going to struggle. Its ridiculous. Try looking at things rationally. Chill out
HighPeakFox Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 I will only say that I think Kante is going to leave a very large hole in this team, and I just hope we find a way to handle it.
Babylon Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 3 hours ago, Mezeker said: Your mistake is more egregious, the only way you could make this comment is in a vacuum. Perhaps you forgot that we lost Kante and that every other team gunning for a top spot is stronger than last season. United's team if they get Pogba is absolutely disgusting. Edit: I really have to say this is the type of post that really bothers me, it shows a complete lack of understanding of where we currently are as a squad and what needs to be done both tactically and from a signing perspective this season. Whilst winning the title was great, I think we need to remove it from our thinking at the moment. We're Champions, so we have to aim at being top 4 this season. But aims and expectations are two different things. You cannot seriously expect us to continue challenging at the top without ludicrous spending (which won't happen). Big clubs will continue buying the best players and getting the best managers until it starts working for them... like it had done the previous 30 years. Gradual strengthening is what our aims would have been before and I don't see us changing that mind set. Compare our squad now, to say Christmas last year and we're going to be a considerably stronger squad. Amartey, Gray, Zieler, Hernandez, Mendy, Kapustka, Musa all being added.
Buzzell Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 Put a bid in for Lacazette just to piss Wenger and Arsenal fans off. That would make my day.
Babylon Posted 2 August 2016 Posted 2 August 2016 3 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: I will only say that I think Kante is going to leave a very large hole in this team, and I just hope we find a way to handle it. As I've said before, 13 games in which he's played little part or no part at all... one loss. We have the answers within our squad I think, whether it means a formation tweak to get the best out of them, we'll see.
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