Rigga Posted 31 October 2016 Posted 31 October 2016 Schmeichel diving on Saturday when most fans knew that Janssen tends to go down the middle with penalties... Do they really study penalty takers ?
Lestoh Posted 31 October 2016 Posted 31 October 2016 study as much as they want, the general intelligence of footballers mean most will get a D in GCSE Penalties anyway
Vardinio'sCat Posted 31 October 2016 Posted 31 October 2016 He was painfully close to one of the greatest penalty saves ever, that waggly foot nearly saved us. There have been ipads on the pitch after extra time before, but surely these days every PL keeper will get a penalty stats breakdown from the analytics people the day before. This is clearly more opinion than fact, on my part, so business as usual really!
Harry - LCFC Posted 31 October 2016 Posted 31 October 2016 Baffles me why keepers almost never stay put on spotkicks when so many get put down the middle. It's the easiest option for the taker as he can't miss, made easier by the fact goalkeepers can be relied upon to move out the way.
treer Posted 31 October 2016 Posted 31 October 2016 47 minutes ago, Harry - LCFC said: Baffles me why keepers almost never stay put on spotkicks when so many get put down the middle. It's the easiest option for the taker as he can't miss, made easier by the fact goalkeepers can be relied upon to move out the way. and me people will counter with though, that the kicker will just aim for the corner if he knows the keeper will stay in the middle, but at least then he may shoot wide.
jammie82uk Posted 31 October 2016 Posted 31 October 2016 Seems this keeper does https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/1851145/diego-alves-valencia-goalkeeper-breaks-la-liga-record-with-amazing-17th-penalty-save/
Guest MattP Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 We said this watching it Saturday, last two pens has scored have gone straight down the middle, incredible no one behind the scenes had told him to do so.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 9 hours ago, Harry - LCFC said: Baffles me why keepers almost never stay put on spotkicks when so many get put down the middle. It's the easiest option for the taker as he can't miss, made easier by the fact goalkeepers can be relied upon to move out the way. Because if he did that and the penalty taker scored by putting it to one side, fans would accuse him of not trying. So of course you dive. So if you're taking a penalty, blast it down the middle.
Guest ttfn Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 9 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Because if he did that and the penalty taker scored by putting it to one side, fans would accuse him of not trying. So of course you dive. So if you're taking a penalty, blast it down the middle. Yeah Oblak looked ridiculous in the CL final just standing still even though it was probably a perfectly reasonable tactic.
J.Lisemore Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 Can remember Ricardo was known as being decent at saving pens, we gave away a pen at home and I turned round to my old man and said this guy'll save this, he didn't but he was bloody close.
EGBFitness Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 Penalties down the middle is the new in thing this season with penalty takers, there have been so many hit straight down the middle. That being said i think a goal keeper is always going to dive, the taker has the luxury of being able to adjust his shoot last second if he realises the keeper doesn't move.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 50 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Because if he did that and the penalty taker scored by putting it to one side, fans would accuse him of not trying. So of course you dive. So if you're taking a penalty, blast it down the middle. Surely don't dive anywhere just so nobody accuses you of not trying! Stand up, stand big and make them put in the corner - the chances of it hitting the post or going wide are magnified as opposed to it going down the middle anyway. If it does go past you in the corner fair enough, but far to many keepers fail to take the initiative by standing their ground ensuring that the onus and pressure is on the taker. Plain daft to jump one way or another before it's been kicked.
filbertway Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 There's so many poor penalty takers these days, the keeper more often than not will save a pen if they stay down the middle and wait for the shot. Not many players seem to be capable of pinging the ball right in the corner.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 4 minutes ago, EGBFitness said: Penalties down the middle is the new in thing this season with penalty takers, there have been so many hit straight down the middle. That being said i think a goal keeper is always going to dive, the taker has the luxury of being able to adjust his shoot last second if he realises the keeper doesn't move. Disagree. Making the taker adjust and re think in his run up is exactly what the keeper wants to be trying to make him do. That's when mistakes are made!
butterslcfc Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 I am a performance analyst in another sport and know how much hard work all the analysts put in. I know for a fact that Kasper 100% does his homework. Have been to the training ground numerous times and Kasper is always on the computers studying footage.
EGBFitness Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 56 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: Disagree. Making the taker adjust and re think in his run up is exactly what the keeper wants to be trying to make him do. That's when mistakes are made! A keeper will always try and put off a taker but I think a penalty will always favour the taker. Yes there is multiple reasons why a penalty may be missed from nerves all the way to a good save but 9 times out of 10 it is why you would expect a penalty to be scored. A good penalty taker will always be able to disguise where they are wanting to aim for. Most players will have a certain approach, area they will go for which is where keepers homework will work, a player like James Milner for example I think has scored every penalty he has had and has always aimed for a different area of the goal, how can you research that as a keeper? There was something on TV a few weeks ago too and I think it was Ox-Chamberlain talking about penalties, he was asked about penalties down the middle and he said more players are doing it as easier to read keeper/adjust last minute if the keeper is committing to where you are going
eblair Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 2 hours ago, J.Lisemore said: Can remember Ricardo was known as being decent at saving pens, we gave away a pen at home and I turned round to my old man and said this guy'll save this, he didn't but he was bloody close. gotta be one of the worst anecdotes ive seen of foxestalk
VLC86 Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 9 minutes ago, eblair said: gotta be one of the worst anecdotes ive seen of foxestalk 8 minutes short of mocking this post myself . Thought I was reading Boring Milners twitter feed.
lgfualol Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 He must have done research for our Burnley game 2 years ago (when he left the goal wide open for a freekick) and then decided not to bother again
fuchsntf Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 12 hours ago, Harry - LCFC said: Baffles me why keepers almost never stay put on spotkicks when so many get put down the middle. It's the easiest option for the taker as he can't miss, made easier by the fact goalkeepers can be relied upon to move out the way. "When so many get put down the middle"....you say..!! Goalkeepers would be criticised for not even trying, if they just stood there in the hope the taker would put it down the middle. Then see it go only halfway to the corner. Plus soon as a gk gets a reputation of standing up.....the taker will have the advantage of knowing the oppo gks tactics. So on that idea alone, not a very well thought out post.... Why not have a gk dive everytime to the left...same argument. The Taker has all the advantage, he chooses the timing, the moment, the postion, and advantage of flexability, there is no Guessing.His only disadvantage is fear and scrambled thought. The gk always has to guess, forget the clever tricks from the taker the balls always in his court, where as a Gk saving is "Only brilliant" thought or a great guess..!!! Its like saying the defendant against the wall, can outthink the firing squad...
fuchsntf Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 2 hours ago, butterslcfc said: I am a performance analyst in another sport and know how much hard work all the analysts put in. I know for a fact that Kasper 100% does his homework. Have been to the training ground numerous times and Kasper is always on the computers studying footage. One thing you cant study, is the flexability of thought and choice....Plus power and angle of shot.
Harry - LCFC Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 4 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Because if he did that and the penalty taker scored by putting it to one side, fans would accuse him of not trying. So of course you dive. So if you're taking a penalty, blast it down the middle. Well I wouldn't and clearly a few others wouldn't either. Furthermore, it's fairly easy to feign to dive but stay standing, thus drawing in the down-the-middle shot that the taker intended. If the taker sees past that and puts it to one side it's unlikely to be a good penalty as the taker has had to change his mind during the run up. Therefore the keeper may well have some chance if diving late. I reckon a goalie who was known to stay down the middle occasionally would put players off from taking the easy option.
Harry - LCFC Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 39 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: "When so many get put down the middle"....you say..!! Goalkeepers would be criticised for not even trying, if they just stood there in the hope the taker would put it down the middle. Then see it go only halfway to the corner. Plus soon as a gk gets a reputation of standing up.....the taker will have the advantage of knowing the oppo gks tactics. So on that idea alone, not a very well thought out post.... Why not have a gk dive everytime to the left...same argument. The Taker has all the advantage, he chooses the timing, the moment, the postion, and advantage of flexability, there is no Guessing.His only disadvantage is fear and scrambled thought. The gk always has to guess, forget the clever tricks from the taker the balls always in his court, where as a Gk saving is "Only brilliant" thought or a great guess..!!! Its like saying the defendant against the wall, can outthink the firing squad... See my above post for an explanation of why this is incorrect. Think of it another way, if the goalkeeper ought never stay put as you suggest then you give the taker a near 100% chance of scoring if he places it high into the net. Indeed that's pretty much what we see in matches. Goalkeepers almost never stay central and almost all penalties that go down the middle are scored. PS - Just realised I think you've misunderstood what I was saying when you say "why not dive every time to the left." I'm not suggesting staying put EVERY time, only 20% of the time perhaps.
sylofox Posted 1 November 2016 Posted 1 November 2016 Let's be honest if a keeper stands for a pen and it goes in a corner most will slag him for not moving. Jeepers can never win on pens unless they save it. We need Paul cooper as a coach. More first class peno saves in the uk than any keeper.
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